Is it fair to say every female oriented movie fails bcz of misogyny?

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cougarTown

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Posted: 8 years ago

#31

not at all

look at the products this year..shitty would be an understatement to describe the likes of begum jaan, noor, phillauri..and this is just 4 months in the year..

good movies work..based on their budgets..they have brought in huge profits..be it tanu manu..piku..queen..kahani..

shows it is not that audience would have objections turning for a women centric movie

we all made piku a superhit..we all made a male centric releasing a week after it (bombay velvet), the biggest disaster ever in Bollywood and we again made tanu weds manu returns a blockbuster releasing another week after it

give us good movies..and those be watched

stop giving us shit and then crying about audience having ego issues going to watch women centric movies..these movies have been bombing not coz of ego issue to watch a woman lead a movie but only and only coz they were insanely insanely shitty movies..come up with better work and stop whining..

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Chudailpaapi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#32

Yes & no.

Everything finally boils down to budget. Hyphed marketed movie has better chance than a movie with poor marketing. It is not bad or boring movie that fail.

It is what clicks with audience. Even so called super star movie do not focus on single sex's problem but have more universal theme. When you are building your movie that is geared towards certain audience, and then you add poor scripting and poor marketing, you are moving towards disaster.

If you have average product, package it well. Piku had universal theme- everyone has old parent, Tanu weds Manu - odd couple rom com...

If you don't package well / make better movie, don't blame audience who have to shell out money. 😛 😆

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Liz Darcy

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Posted: 8 years ago

#33

No
Just watching the trailers of Begum Jaan and Noor, you can say these movies are not going to be universal hits.
If strong female roles are the problem, then Queen would have failed too. Even Tanu weds Manu.

Next, about the mindless and logicless movies becoming hits aka Salman's movies. Whatever you name these kind of movies, they sell the charisma of the star (the leading man) as the USP. That's what is seen as the whistles and claps greeting the hero's introduction shot. The audience sees Salman in these movies not the characters. And that is also a very difficult thing to achieve...to reach that level of stardom. I haven't seen any heroines reaching that kind of stardom in bollywood as the women have very limited career span and also opportunities.

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 8 years ago

#34

Take some of big Bollywood blockbuster. Some of them are just mind numbing drivel, but they do well.

A bad film is a bad film.

However, society is more receptive to bad films led by men rather than women.

People are even trying to drag down good films with women in the help. Both Force Awakens and Rogue One were trashed for having female leads. Daisy Ridley had to release a video of her deadlifting for men to believe she could do the stunts. Mad Max: Fury Road, an incredibly made film was bashed by many for having Furiosa play a leading role on par with Max.

Bottom line, there is a lot of misogyny in society and it is fair to blame failures on misogyny until we come to a day when every film is successful for pure objective reasons and no one tries to drag down films for having female leads.

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1088767

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Posted: 8 years ago

#35

For a movie like Queen or Piku to work it took a lot of WOM in general.

Personally it took a lot of coaxing to make my husband watch them whereas it didn't take a lot of coaxing for me to make my husband watch Bodyguard or HNY relatively very bad movies. This must be story of lots of homes and not just mine.

Every Female oriented movie doesn't fail because of misogyn as you suggested. There are good films and bad films in every genre. But pulling cine going Alpha Male types to a GOOD women centric film is a herculean task. Like the example above even a normal open minded MALE thinks twice before watching a female oriented movie.

There are those who want good films regardless of the protagonist being of any gender but that number is far less.

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745671

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Posted: 8 years ago

#36

Misogyny is so deeply entrenched that it has to be looked at from a deeper angle than why people don't watch female centered movies. The fact is that women barely even get any movies centered on themselves. You can count them on your hands - a couple of Vidya movies, handful of Kangana movies, etc. Barely nothing compared to the hundreds and hundreds of movies that male leads get.

Even when they make female oriented movies, the majority of them are boring/depressing movies about female struggles, rape, abuse, and other subjects that men *cannot* do. Of course those kind of movies will fail! Who wants to be depressed when watching a movie?

Why don't women ever get big comedies, big action movies and just fun movies with a big budget, songs with big sets and just the typical masala? Why can't an actress do the kind of stupid comedies Akshay Kumar does? Why can't a girl be the one that takes a kid to Pakistan? Why can't a woman play a superhero? That's where misogyny lies. Because normalcy is automatically male. Women are just secondary and tertiary characters brought on to be wives, gfs, sisters and mother. They are not important.

When 3 Idiots was being made, Kajol was originally offered the role Kareena did. She refused and said she would do the movie if she could be one of the 3 idiots instead. Hirani changed so many things from the book but refused to make one of them female. Why? Don't women go to college and take exams and struggle with their family's expectations just as much as men do? But nope. Women are shunted off to the side because they are not important in the film industry or in India in general.

India is a hugely misogynistic country and women are valued much less than men. Until that culture changes too, nothing will change in movies. Even people like Hirani are not progressive. They are all part of the same old boys club who fight to keep their own preeminence at women's expense.

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bokul

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Posted: 8 years ago

#37

^^ They are definitely given less chances

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Anony-mouse

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Posted: 8 years ago

#38

1) Who controls the purse string decides what to watch.

In most single screen theatres- audience mix is not 50:50 when it comes to males and females. The primary ticket buyers are men and they will watch what they like. There is a reason why romcoms do not work in Bollywood and havent in the past either (its always romance and a family drama)

2) I dont think it is misogyny but patriarchy is very deeply entrenched in our society. There are many many takers of the I-will-stalk-you-till-you-capitulate variety of romance in Btown even today. If it is a female lead oriented story- the villain is almost always a man. Again, may be hard to digest.

ps: I havent watched begum jaan. Just my observations.

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Breath-Mark

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Posted: 8 years ago

#39

Like most mentioned, a badly made film is just that. I dont care if its a male or female. But i can understand why some tolerate men's over women's. Heroes tend to have the biggest part in the usual BW films so getting to see them have more screen space is not unusual. Unlike female counterparts. Very few are talented to keep you engrossed like Sridevi thoroughout a film. Also, entertaining films over preachy stuff anyday

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Breath-Mark

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Posted: 8 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: anonymous39

Why don't women ever get big comedies, big action movies and just fun movies with a big budget, songs with big sets and just the typical masala? Why can't an actress do the kind of stupid comedies Akshay Kumar does? Why can't a girl be the one that takes a kid to Pakistan? Why can't a woman play a superhero? That's where misogyny lies. Because normalcy is automatically male. Women are just secondary and tertiary characters brought on to be wives, gfs, sisters and mother. They are not important.

Idk about the rest but can women actually produce hits with fun films? If they can, and continue to do so, i think the industry will support the same. Or rather, try to copy the "success" formula. As of now, very little examples of such cases.

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