Just because Arjun is a man, doesn't make his suffering insignificant

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Posted: 8 years ago
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The character who I used to hate the most I sympathize with him now the most. For the reason that he is paying very hugely for his greediness. We all know that he never was a completely good person. In his way of greed he really saw nothing. The mother and brother who gave him so much love, he called their house as "middle class 1 bedroom flat" and ignoring his favourite jeep to drive the expensive car. He thought larki hai paisa hai package hai le leta ho. He did love Maya but with conditions. Little did he knew what huge price he had to pay for this money. To the world he is the abusive husband but in reality he is getting abused.

There are two types of people in the world. Firstly, the people who torture you out of hate and the people who torture you out of love. Maya is the second type. I remember that there was a serial Dil se di dua where there was Karanvir Bohra who loved his wife alot and out of obsessive love he used to torture his wife Jhanvi. I remember people hating him for that torture and feeling pity for Jhanvi however no one feels pity for Arjun in this case. Yes he brought himself into this trap but for this mistake he doesnt deserved to be abused to such an extent.

Just because Arjun is a man doesnt make his suffering or abuse less or insignificant. We keep on talking about Maya Saanjh etc etc but never about poor Arjun.

The scene in which I saw him the most helpless human was when Maya ordered Arjun to open his shirt to do a massage and he refused. She then brought scissor indicating him that shell cut his clothes. Please don't tell me this isn't physical or sexual assault because this is. And due to that Arjun helplessly let Maya open his shirt. She nicely sat on his back and did the massage. Seriously go watch the expression he had when she is over him, he felt so helpless and abused. And no just because they are husband and wife so she can do anything she wants. Husband or stranger, doing anything without that person's consent is called assault and abuse.

Another time was when he tried to get the paratha she said they are too oily, anything else thats too sweet and then gave him omlette and bread and confidently saying our choices are so same. Like seriously he cant breathe on his own he cant eat on his own. Poor thing

Another time was when he was abducted and tied. Seriously tieing is normal? Imagine you are a girl and you are meeting with your maika or family and your husband comes with an ambulance and traps you abducts you injects you and the time your eyes open you are tied on the bed. Wouldn't that be an assault or abuse? It clearly is!

These 3 times I really felt bad for the abuse he went through. Just because he is a man, a male doesn't make his suffering insignificant and his abuse as normal. He is abused mentally and physically.

My post has nothing to do with Ayan's actions. Ayan is so much wrong in his actions too. But just because Ayan does something doesn't make Maya s actions justifiable or right. Theres a difference between assault and attempt to rape. Its anyway nothing to do with my topic.

Maya is a very strong character but is been shown in a very bad light in Season 2. Loved her in season 1 but season 2 it's hard to justify her.

Please no hate comments, I'm no shipper of any character. I just see and say what is right

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Posted: 8 years ago
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i agree with u. But I don't think that I have seen any Maya or even Arya fans enjoy the scenes when Maya has tortured him or even drooled on their scenes. some of us have enjoyed when they have been antagonistic to each another but the scenes that u mentioned are not one that many have enjoyed and most have been left uncomfortable with what has been shown.

Arjun has definitely been abused mentally, physically and emotionally and no fan grp can say this is untrue. the ppl who did not like him b4 are sympathizing alot with him now. unfortunately not many care about him on the forum coz of the maya and saanhj fight. also i do think that marital rape , marital molestation, sexual Harrasment not many understand these concepts and this is leading to fan grps not understanding each another even though they all agree that Maya is wrong and she has no right to treat him like that.

unfortunately in this forum its no use expecting an intelligent, honest discussion with no fights coz 1 set of fans always wants to prove themselves superior and more knowledgeable then the rest and then try and taunt and force their opinion on others. whilst the other fan grp reacts to their behavior and gets defensive, stupid and irrational.

for me Maya is sexually harassing Arjun she is touching him inappropriately, touching him when he does not want her too and forcing herself on him. she is using the fact that he is scared of her, her position as his wife and the fact that she is female to do want she wants, she is 100% wrong and no maya fan, arya fan will say she is right. she is basically behaving like a potential rapist.

unfortunately Maya's character is very man like aka angry young man with the difference being that she is mad. further tv just sensationalizes aggressive behavior with 1st hot looking males now with hot looking females. coz lets admit it if an ugly, fat girl did that to arjun the fans would be in an up row.

but whats even more unfortunate for what has happened to arjun specifically for yesterday's scene even if it was ugly female who behaved the way maya did i still think there would not be an uprow on the forum. all humans will always react and take serious something that is more in your face and violent. ayan and maya scenes where just more dramatic and violent and therefore u got a more impactful response from fans. both ayan and maya where wrong. maya behavior was wrong with arjun and ayan with Maya.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you for this post. Well written post from Arjun's perspective. This is a perspective that is lost in this forum. People cannot understand why he complained about Maya to Ayan, people are not able to understand why he had to go meet his friend, why does he complain about such a loving wife, where can you find a wife who love you this much,who care about your health and food so much, who watches the amount you drink etc etc why does he complain, why don't he love her back. Something has to be wrong with him. What did he do to make Maya like this. He surely should have done something to make Maya like this. These are all stuff I read everyday here sadly about Arjun

considering the burden he is carrying, the amount of emotional abuse he goes through, the fact that he dont own his own body, what he eats, what he drinks,where he goes, who he can and cannot meet, I am not sure how he is still sane. This is the worst life a person can get. I am not sure how he has not gone crazy or done something bad to himself like that slitting throat thing. Which tells us the thought has crossed his mind. He is physically and mentally abused day in and day out. But no one really see it bcos all are busy trying to find ways to see the victim maya. Maya's victims are totally forgotten.

Arjun has made lot of mistakes but he has paid the price more than enough. Now we see maya taking him Through a guilt trip making him feel responsible for Ayan's actions. I think Arjun needs serious therapy once he comes out of this torture. Hope he comes out of this torturous life of his.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sandiab

i agree with u. But I don't think that I have seen any Maya or even Arya fans enjoy the scenes when Maya has tortured him or even drooled on their scenes. some of us have enjoyed when they have been antagonistic to each another but the scenes that u mentioned are not one that many have enjoyed and most have been left uncomfortable with what has been shown.

Arjun has definitely been abused mentally, physically and emotionally and no fan grp can say this is untrue. the ppl who did not like him b4 are sympathizing alot with him now. unfortunately not many care about him on the forum coz of the maya and saanhj fight. also i do think that marital rape , marital molestation, sexual Harrasment not many understand these concepts and this is leading to fan grps not understanding each another even though they all agree that Maya is wrong and she has no right to treat him like that.

unfortunately in this forum its no use expecting an intelligent, honest discussion with no fights coz 1 set of fans always wants to prove themselves superior and more knowledgeable then the rest and then try and taunt and force their opinion on others. whilst the other fan grp reacts to their behavior and gets defensive, stupid and irrational.

for me Maya is sexually harassing Arjun she is touching him inappropriately, touching him when he does not want her too and forcing herself on him. she is using the fact that he is scared of her, her position as his wife and the fact that she is female to do want she wants, she is 100% wrong and no maya fan, arya fan will say she is right. she is basically behaving like a potential rapist.

unfortunately Maya's character is very man like aka angry young man with the difference being that she is mad. further tv just sensationalizes aggressive behavior with 1st hot looking males now with hot looking females. coz lets admit it if an ugly, fat girl did that to arjun the fans would be in an up row.

but whats even more unfortunate for what has happened to arjun specifically for yesterday's scene even if it was ugly female who behaved the way maya did i still think there would not be an uprow on the forum. all humans will always react and take serious something that is more in your face and violent. ayan and maya scenes where just more dramatic and violent and therefore u got a more impactful response from fans. both ayan and maya where wrong. maya behavior was wrong with arjun and ayan with Maya.


I agree with you completely.
I do still see people saying who found it sexy for Maya to massage Arjun that way😕 seriously I dont know how. A person tells another person to take out clothes or Ill cut it with a scissor and nicely opens shirt without other person's will and other person drops a tear of helplessness and instead of calling it sexual assault it is considered hot. I seriously don't understand.

See deep down both fan groups know where their character was wrong but just to win and defend they go to such extremes which is honestly not right. So expecting a sensible discussion is far off but we can still try to take this serial as a serial only and not like it's the end of the world. No one is 100% good in this show so justifying is of no use. Anyway in all this havoc I feel really bad for Arjun. He is getting abused in every way and my heart tears seeing this person suffering every minute in his life.

You know all these shows where angry young man used to pin the heroine on wall and squeeze her shoulders, I USED TO HATE THAT. Because it is so not right doing any of these so for me Gender doesn't matter. If you are pressuring someone it isnt hot or romantic, sorry. It's pure wrong!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Being an ArYa fan, phase 1 of Beyhadh I was team Maya but without a doubt phase 2 I'm team arjun.

When phase 2 started I made a post saying arjun is turning into ashwin no 2 because he was beating Maya but only later we found out he was not beating Maya so i took my words back. Yes arjun is being a little aggressive for instant yanking her hair but I guess it's out of frustration but I guess it's nothing compared to what Maya is doing to Arjun. He is trapped and i feel very sorry for him. We have seen he has gone through a lot. Arjun is not innocent but tbh no character in this show is innocent. But It's sad to see him being tortured, for example Maya injecting him and tying him up in ropes 😔 he's too vulnerable.

But one thing I have to disagree on, about Maya forcing him to take off his shirt for a massage. Actually during that time Maya was begging him to get intimate with her because she wanted a kid with him. So in that scene, arjun woke up and his neck was stiff, Maya told him to take his shirt off and arjun thought Maya told him to take his shirt off so they can get intimate so he said no so Maya bribed him and he had no choice to take it off but only to know that Maya ended up giving him a massage.

Let's hope his suffering stops soon. Tbh I want arjun to be free and I want Maya to get help so she understands what she is doing is wrong and even if arjun is still with her I hope arjun helps her get the treatment she needs and hopefully she redeems. Well by the look of it, it does seem little unlikely but personally I hope she redeems and Arya are end game. This is just my opinion on how I want Beyhadh to end as other have different opinions on how they want it to end
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: BIaddict

Thank you for this post. Well written post from Arjun's perspective. This is a perspective that is lost in this forum. People cannot understand why he complained about Maya to Ayan, people are not able to understand why he had to go meet his friend, why does he complain about such a loving wife, where can you find a wife who love you this much,who care about your health and food so much, who watches the amount you drink etc etc why does he complain, why don't he love her back. Something has to be wrong with him. What did he do to make Maya like this. He surely should have done something to make Maya like this. These are all stuff I read everyday here sadly about Arjun
Thank you😳 yes exactly. He is badly being ignored. Okay a loving wife? She is a crazy loving wife who thinks Arjun is a toy and the remote control is in her hands. I still say that if Arjun would have been more compassionately and would have married her for the right reasons she would have changed with Arjuns true love and medical help but Arjun loved her for many other reasons and once he saw Maya s love which is insane he just couldn't handle it. Arjun is kind off wrong but not so much that he deserves mental and physical assaults

Its horrible a person seeing you with CCTVs cameras in bathroom and in car also. Controlling what he eats, when he sleeps. He's in an elite jail. He is a prisoner who cannot do anything. I just can't watch a person being tortured so much. Tieing him to bed, touching him inappropriately, warning if the person doesn't open clothes she will cut it with scissor, omg i don't know how can anyone justify these actions and call it love

considering the burden he is carrying, the amount of emotional abuse he goes through, the fact that he dont own his own body, what he eats, what he drinks,where he goes, who he can and cannot meet, I am not sure how he is still sane. This is the worst life a person can get. I am not sure how he has not gone crazy or done something bad to himself like that slitting throat thing. Which tells us the thought has crossed his mind. He is physically and mentally abused day in and day out. But no one really see it bcos all are busy trying to find ways to see the victim maya. Maya's victims are totally forgotten.

Arjun has made lot of mistakes but he has paid the price more than enough. Now we see maya taking him Through a guilt trip making him feel responsible for Ayan's actions. I think Arjun needs serious therapy once he comes out of this torture. Hope he comes out of this torturous life of his.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: xsumi

Being an ArYa fan, phase 1 of Beyhadh I was team Maya but without a doubt phase 2 I'm team arjun.

When phase 2 started I made a post saying arjun is turning into ashwin no 2 because he was beating Maya but only later we found out he was not beating Maya so i took my words back. Yes arjun is being a little aggressive for instant yanking her hair but I guess it's out of frustration but I guess it's nothing compared to what Maya is doing to Arjun. He is trapped and i feel very sorry for him. We have seen he has gone through a lot. Arjun is not innocent but tbh no character is this show is innocent. But It's sad to see him being tortured, for example Maya injecting him and tying him up in ropes 😔 he's too vulnerable.

But one thing I have to disagree on, about Maya forcing him to take off his shirt or a massage. Actually during that time Maya was begging him to get intimate with her because she wanted a kid with him. So in that scene, arjun woke up and his neck was stiff, Maya told him to take his shirt off and arjun thought Maya told him to take his shirt off so they can get intimate so he said no so Maya bribed him and he had no choice to take it off but only to know that Maya ended up giving him a massage.

Let's hope his suffering stops soon. Tbh I want arjun to be free and I want Maya to get help so she understands what she is doing is wrong and even if arjun is still with her I hope arjun helps her get the treatment she needs and hopefully she redeems. Well by the look of it, it does seem little unlikely but personally I hope she redeems and Arya are end game. This is just my opinion on how I want Beyhadh to end as other have different opinions on how they want it to end


Whatever your saying about the massage I totally understand it's your opinion and I completely respect it but if you rewatch the scene and see Arjuns expression when Maya was on top of him, it clearly looked like he felt helpless even in sexual matter, as if she is sexually abusing him. See if Arjun had been loving to her even 1% Maya could bribe and do all that for fun to give Arjun a massage but in this scenario there is no love from Arjuns side and he has not even been close to her that way since 2 years so she doing that is actually wrong. Expecting a baby isn't wrong but one can't really force another person.

I agree with your other points completely. About the ending, I really don't think about it. I like enjoying whatever is happening in present and I wanted Season 2 to be like Arjun being depedent on Maya. He loves Maya and maya is all the dominant cool personality and he out of love accepts her that way but here it is so opposite she is just torturing him. I want Maya to really redeem herself and Arjun forgives her for the torture and confesses that he didn't really accept her for love only but also other reasons. I want both of them to be honest with each other
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Arjun is duffer and greedy for money and does take relation granted for example vandana saanj ayan in phase1 but phase 2 is nothing but torture for him... I feel if he murders maya and go to jail he may feel jail as peace compared to maya house... the three scenes u have mentioned are so disgusting to watch and I ended up feeling very pity for Arjun... like kushal said in interview even anyone enemy should not get maya like wife... dnt know what more we have to watch from psycho maya... in all the three scenes I felt like slapping maya hard... for a moment I felt that ashwin as father is indeed correct for her bcz there is atleast one person whom maya is afraid of... but now he too is gone... the way Arjun tried to protect saanj and ayan from maya shows how extreme maya can go and Arjun also knows this... I want saanj to take up any case against maya and win against her and shut her up once for all... honestly I feel beyhadh ending is maya death just like neelambari character in one Tamil movie narasimha with maya killing herself aftr knowing in true sense that Arjun doesn't love her anymore... bcz that's how cvs are throwing hints repeatedly saying from maya that her toxic beyhadh love ends only with her death ..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Akdhaparijatluv


Arjun is duffer and greedy for money and does take relation granted for example vandana saanj ayan in phase1 but phase 2 is nothing but torture for him... I feel if he murders maya and go to jail he may feel jail as peace compared to maya house... the three scenes u have mentioned are so disgusting to watch and I ended up feeling very pity for Arjun... like kushal said in interview even anyone enemy should not get maya like wife... dnt know what more we have to watch from psycho maya... in all the three scenes I felt like slapping maya hard... for a moment I felt that ashwin as father is indeed correct for her bcz there is atleast one person whom maya is afraid of... but now he too is gone... the way Arjun tried to protect saanj and ayan from maya shows how extreme maya can go and Arjun also knows this... I want saanj to take up any case against maya and win against her and shut her up once for all... honestly I feel beyhadh ending is maya death just like neelambari character in one Tamil movie narasimha with maya killing herself aftr knowing in true sense that Arjun doesn't love her anymore... bcz that's how cvs are throwing hints repeatedly saying from maya that her toxic beyhadh love ends only with her death ..


Yup it's pure torture for Arjun seriously.
Though I feel if Ashwin wasn't bad Maya would have been normal. It's Ashwin that triggered Maya to be this way.
Honestly these 3 scenes are very disgusting I cant watch any human this way. Don't know what type of love this is
In the end I really want Maya to redeem, it looks really difficult but that's what I want. I want her to realize in the name of love she tortured her husband, did so much.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you for this post. This is a much needed post. Actually I was shocked to see people justifying maya in a separate thread for her actions. She was just hugging and sleeping. Just because arjun is a man and he doesn't cry and no sad bg is played when he is tortured so people find it normal which is not true. Arjun is suffering but people blame him for not healing maya.

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