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"Always justify the burdens you impose upon girls but impose them anyway... . They must be thwarted from an early age... . They must be exercised to constraint, so that it costs them nothing to stifle all their fantasies to submit them to the will of others." ..."closed up in their houses", "must receive the decisions of fathers and husbands like that of the church".

These are some very controversial and famous words from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Emile. For centuries this has fueled debate regarding the place women must have in society. These words were written at a time when the word feminism wasn't coined. A time when women were not even seen as the stature of a human being. Women were required as a means to an end...the end being many some of which are efficiently managing the servants in the house or if you are too poor to be afford servants then playing that role herself, being available for sex when man is home and wants some, or being a harlot when man is not at home and wants some...kind of like having a phone for work purposes and having a personal phone...women existed for the convenience.

They were so efficiently used that other than giving birth, they didn't even play a role in rearing the child that came from their body. The child was born and immediately handed off to a nanny to raise or sent off to boarding school. Aristotle and Socrates famous words define women as imperfect beings that aspired to be men but just were too defected to become that...but will forever want to be a man because man was beautiful, whereas women were imperfect and aspired for the beauty of a man...so they forever desired men.

Emile was a radically liberating thought in that world, because it gave a new reason for the existence of women. Women suddenly became an important player in creating a peaceful home, the foundation of a stable society. Women's abilities were recognized for being home makers while the patriarchs were warned to keep the women in the home, and from an early age, to kill their ability to dream, to fantasize, to think, to decide...for themselves. Instead in order to make women able homemakers they must be kept away from the public life, to be bound to the home, incapable of independent thought, bread to be obedient to the father or husband.

Do these thoughts ring a bell?

A breed of women who are raised to believe that their virtue is in being bound to the home, to kill their desires, to never think anything beyond what is deemed appropriate for them by those who feed them the norms. Such women are bound to cry foul when a woman doesn't follow these norms. They are bound to cry foul when a woman defies the rule and engages in free thought, in dreaming, in desiring, in making a decision for herself.

Today we may no longer have women raised to be just homemakers. But today women are raised to be superwomen, who are not just homemakers but are excelling in all undertaking, yet the freedom of thought is still not something that is permissible. Because you can breed parrots who speak intelligent and radical thoughts, but the minute a radical thought originates in a female brain, the fear of undoing the societal fabric exists even today. On one hand women are told they are not burdens, they are capable of being equal to a man, yet she only must aspire to be married as soon as she can, her purpose of education is to achieve a qualified man. If she is supported in her effort to have a career it is so that she can provide all her earning to the husband to manage. If she is raised to be independent, she is still chastised as vain when she indulges in fashionable trends. If she dares to think of herself as an equal an demands that her needs be met, she is named with a scarlet letter.

We still have women who are raised to hate their bodies, to hate their desires, to say that it is a sin to allow yourself to think freely and have your own opinion if it doesn't match the opinion of the others. Instead of saying "I think..." women are conditioned to start their sentences with "I feel..." or "Maybe if we did this, instead of that..." never truly attributing authority to their opinions but instead leaving a choice for others to ignore what she said as uncertain babble or emotional foolishness...because God forbid the day a woman makes a statement of choice...that will be the day she has forgotten her place in the world.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is just brilliant JC! A really good piece of writing and like you said "food for thought". I had no idea that this is the view that men like Socrates & Aristotle had! And that first paragraph quoting Emile was just beautiful!
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This is so well written and such a well thought out post... JC ...RES
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Wow!! This is a brilliant piece JC! 👏
Unfortunately women are still treated as mere objects..definitely food for thought for many.
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Originally posted by: FortunaMajor

This is just brilliant JC! A really good piece of writing and like you said "food for thought". I had no idea that this is the view that men like Socrates & Aristotle had! And that first paragraph quoting Emile was just beautiful!


Their thoughts about women will make complete sense when you understand what their thoughts were about men...specifically about relationships amongst men.
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just brilliant 👏 👏 👏
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OMG OMG OMG JC...I had to read it twice. What a thought provoking post.
As a woman I believe our biggest enemies are not MEN but rather other women themselves as they are jealous that they were not able to live a NON-REGRESSIVE live as such they want to ensure the same is done in every generation.

Some of us are lucky that we were brought up to understand that as women we do have a choice and it is wholly our choice without any coercion. This show has depicted the same, albeit in certain instances it has not delivered. As a woman, am entitle to decide when I want to marry, when I want to have sex, when I want to have a child etc, it does not make me any less of a woman.


Loved it <3
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Originally posted by: _innocent_

OMG OMG OMG JC...I had to read it twice. What a thought provoking post.

As a woman I believe our biggest enemies are not MEN but rather other women themselves as they are jealous that they were not able to live a NON-REGRESSIVE live as such they want to ensure the same is done in every generation.

Some of us are lucky that we were brought up to understand that as women we do have a choice and it is wholly our choice without any coercion. This show has depicted the same, albeit in certain instances it has not delivered. As a woman, am entitle to decide when I want to marry, when I want to have sex, when I want to have a child etc, it does not make me any less of a woman.


Loved it <3


sour grapes... I have a friend, who once complained about her life to me, she is married, with 3 kids, a big house and rich and devoted husband. Then she went on FB and showed me a school mate's fb page and told me how her friend is living a blasted life, she is enjoying herself without marriage, and has decided not to be married. The women spoke to me for 2 hours comparing her life to her friends. And although she began by saying, "my school mate is living it up...she is having so much fun", she ended the speech by saying, "But she is so lonely...because she doesn't want to get married".

I watched the expression on my friend throughout. She began with a pang of regret that her inability to make her own choices have led to a life where she cannot do the things her friend is doing, and at the end, she had a mocking look on her face, which to me said that she has justified her decisions, come to terms with the fact that she may never get a chance to live the life her friend lives but she will continue her life of no choices so that she doesn't have to take any drastic action and her life can continue to sail along as it is. She has accepted this life of no choice as her only way of existence and she will do nothing to change it because she is comfortable now in it. And the school-mate who challenges this concept, that being unmarried and living a single life can bring happiness, is a rouge...to be mocked and taunted so she feels bad about her decisions instead of the other way around.

I got this experience while I was debating whether marriage is for me or not. And what I saw has had great impact on my thoughts about marriage.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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If you have written this, its wonderful.
If you have put up this together, its mind boggling.

Being a woman in the man's world, taking them heads on has a rule too. 'If a woman takes on a man at work, she needs to be 3 times better than the man. And if a man takes on a woman at work, he just needs to be a man.'

While we are still fighting the sensitivities and bias to gain equality at workplace, we have women *sigh* who keep us grounded saying why we dont need equality.

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Originally posted by: monu_tan

If you have written this, its wonderful.

If you have put up this together, its mind boggling.

Being a woman in the man's world, taking them heads on has a rule too. 'If a woman takes on a man at work, she needs to be 3 times better than the man. And if a man takes on a woman at work, he just needs to be a man.'

While we are still fighting the sensitivities and bias to gain equality at workplace, we have women *sigh* who keep us grounded saying why we dont need equality.


We all still put up with these thoughts from others in one way or another. I have seen myself, my cousins, my sister-in-law, friends, co-workers deal with this on a daily basis so the premise for this show isn't outdated at all...infact its very real and needed at this time. But it so sad to see it diverting away from that premise.

I am definitely that person who challenges the status quo at work and am not much liked for it. But I give two hoots. I use what i call leverage to get my way. Isn't that what a man is expected to do. And i get some shocked looks from my desi co-workers who feel that as an Indian woman I defy their expectations. One guy actually asked me "Where do you get that attitude from"...I told him its called "Self-respect" not "attitude". He never questioned me after that and he is in a senior position than me.
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