I am fuming, are you?

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Dear Friends,

I am fuming, so are you or any female, why even male for that matter. And what are we fuming about - the trigger point of Bengaluru molestation. It is only a trigger not a cause as we all know. You would agree, we are not just fuming at this one night's incident, we are fuming at the years of injustice to women, and the years to come-by. Call me pessimist, but that seem the fact of the matter - years to come. Unless, there is a change at the root level. Every time an incident happens, we scream that the fruit is sour and later move on to another juicy fruit that the media offers. Who is working at the root level then? The answer may come as all those women rights activists, some big names of feminists. Honestly, I would not like to call myself a feminist, for I am not one by definition, neither do I seek to be one. To me it is all but a human rights that we are fighting for, so, why bring a gender here? I know it sounds absurd. Permit me to proceed please. In my humble opinion, gender based action, gender based opinion causes gender based reaction.

Are we not fighting for equal rights for women? Let me ask of my friends here, the activists and myself, how convinced are we about this? Is this a fancy or a belief? Is this a need or a nice to have? On one side, we want to be in equal position with men in all walks of life, and I believe we are capable and we should be so (in our conviction). Tell me a field where a woman could not deliver? We may be told, women are physically weak. Well, I accept not this at face value. Be it the heights of Mt Everest, maneuvering an Air force fighter, waging war against a battalion of seasoned male warriors or ruling a land, history till even today there are many instances to prove that we are equal to men. Tell me where we have proved that we cannot handle, if we will it - key is to will, key is to believe! Where we as women have believed, we have surpassed men in many fields. So we are not impotent, we are not lacking in anyway. We are born equal. Then why fight for equality? ... Because, we are not treated equals?

Now, this brings to the question. Who is treating us not equals? Men or women? Again sounds stupid? Bear with me please. Let me share my thoughts. In my humble opinion yet, we women are a responsible big lot for this. Men take advantage of our lack of confidence - they only take advantage, please note. So, who is giving room for this? We women? Right from our great gran to even this modern era, in how many houses, firstly, a woman treat another woman with respect or treat her equally to other male members? We are seeing girl child fed less than a male child in rural still. Who does this? The father or the mother? Who says that women's role is to reproduce and make a house? Our women folk says so more than men? What advice does a mother give her daughter when she is given away in marriage? How many mothers restrict their daughters from late night parties? And if a woman is raped, how many women look down at her, as if the women herself begged to be raped? Where both parents work, how many mothers get back home after a long day and fixes a dinner or prepares a breakfast, packs dabbas even in the early morning rush? And does she grudge? Is she willing to let her husband share the house work? She is more than willing to serve her husband, her family. So, what rights are we talking about? Whose rights are we talking about? Is it a right snatched away from us? Or is it a right willingly given away by us?

When there are so many such basics where the difference is obvious and impact more, we find activists fighting for issues of trivial nature. To me gaining entry for women in a Shani temple or a Dargah is not a burning need. Or lengthy debates on how women of yester years or even yester yugas were treated badly. Give me a break. In the first place we do not gain anything discussing that, and views of that age and present is different. There are bigger issues to be dealt with today - so many girl children are being raped and thrown away as a tissue paper. What has the Women's rights organizations done about it? Scream when it happens, other than that what else? What have you changed on the ground?

Why men do not have Men's rights organizations? Why women need one? Is it because men have no issues or are the perpetrators? Or is it because men are not vulnerable? While we women are? Let me go to Chandra-Nandini (an attempt to make it look relevant to Chandra Nandini serial and retain this post in this forum J) - remember the scene of Padmanand's capture in the hut, where Chandra takes of the chunni of Nandini? Now, how did Nandini react to it? She tried to cover herself. Now, imagine her still getting up and fighting Chandra? What would have been Chandra's reaction then? Would he dare to do this to another women tomorrow? (pray, Chandra fans, let us not get into whether Chandra was right or wrong in doing this - this is being discussed to put forth a point please). So, in that sense, whose fault is it? We all will blame the men naturally for such a disgusting act? It is a disgusting act, no doubt, when a man disrobes a woman. And likewise, a woman disrobes a man - are we missing a point here? How does a man react in such a situation vs how does a woman react? In my humble opinion, this marks the difference. Though we claim equal rights, we do not believe in it ourselves. We consider ourselves vulnerable and let us ourselves to be taken for granted. Let us admit, we like to be manofied, we enjoy being protected and treated as a flower. So there are two categories of woman - who do not mind the status quo, the other being, who want it changed. And one can cannot have both. Look at the instance of how many women crying vs how many women fighting it up that night at Bengaluru. Why women were seeking men's help or police's help? Why women were running away? That is why Chaitala won my heart that day, the true hero of the day. She acted that she is equal to man. She believed in it and so came her strength. Though I do feel sorry for the girls affected, I still feel frustrated to see girls crying. Instead, you should have become a Kaali that day. If you cannot deal with it, if you are not convinced of your ability to deal with it, if you feel you are weak and need protection, then you should stay at home. The fight for equal rights is for girls like Chaitala. Rest, who want to be treated as "woman" (the dainty thing), please be in your limits if you cannot deal with the rough world outside, and just don't lament. You cannot expect a noble world out there, be practical, and accept the ground reality today. Wish is different from fact. Or brace yourself to see your wishes through.

Now, you may raise a question, is it not the police job to protect these girls that night and they have failed? The police might have failed or might not have. And, I feel, the blame cannot be put entirely on the police. Where is your guts as a woman? You knew of past instances, how well prepared were you? What weapons did you carry with yourself to protect yourself? Are where are the women's organization who scream later, what did they do to avoid this for the girls? What proactive measures were taken by them? Or is it their job only to blame others? Say now, what have you done to make women equal to men? First, did you raise their self-confidence, the very basic? Otherwise, how many ever laws may be brought, it may not work. We hear so many rape cases. What have these activists or any individuals like us do about it, even to save ourselves? How many of us tried to learn martial arts to protect ourselves? How many of us carry small weapons - be it the famed chilly power or a sharp instrument with us. I do not, for one. When anything gory happens, I will not hesitate to blame others. I will not accept how ill-prepared I was. Now, the argument could be - how dare men treat a woman like this? He has to change. My question back is, how could a man not act like this? It is obvious and natural for him to behave so. The laws are weak, the law makers are party to it and above all, we are vulnerable. Where is the deterrence? He is having a ball of a time. Survival is for the fittest. Expecting others to change, with me taking no steps to address is a serious problem in many women's attitude today. It is always like, these will not happen to me. Now, please, do not brand me anti-female. If truth is not palatable, we tend to blame everything else. Let us be practical. We can do japa that men should behave etc., but on the ground does it work that way? If you are convinced that it works, please continue to live in that world of yours and keep expecting men to change. So, my question is, how does it help to keep wanting this (change in men) to happen? We desire, while we need to aspire.

I talked about the police incompetence. Now why is the police incompetent? Because of dirty politician's will and iron hand on them. Now, who elected this law-maker? The man who is supposed to bring laws that would curb injustice to women, while he indulges in such atrocities himself? We. Now, please do not say, you and I did not, but the people at large. My question back, how many of this people class are women? The very women is affected, very women who is suffering or seeing her girl suffer? If the women population revolt and decide the law-makers, could things fall in place? Any women's organization working in this direction? There are women politicians today, but are they doing enough for the situation on hand? So, where should this be fixed? Is anyone thinking seriously about it and trying to change things at the ground level, instead of creating a big scene when an incident occurs and then go back to your kitchen to fix dinner for your husband or son?

Let me come to Chandra-Nandini again (to be on the safe side J). When atrocities to women were shown in different parts of the serial, for that matter any serial or movie - where women are shown as stalked, raped or trying to be raped and the hero rescues her (and thereby glorying the male)... And in many movies, where the hero is on the verge of a victory over the villain, when the guinea-pig woman is caught by the villain and the hero is put in a tight spot. Why are woman shown so stricken with fear and helpless when the villain approaches her to rape? While heroes are glorified with their abilities, heroines are shown weak and vulnerable. Just tell me, why women are portrayed so weak mostly (it is refreshing to see some cases where women are shown strongly). Why are they showing the Bakshi Banu likes? Why do we revel in some shows fantasizing, glorifying woman as an epitome of nobility in serials watched predominantly by women - are we so incapable and reduced to only fantasy? We see Nandini not able to deal with that cheap prince she was to marry (sorry, forget his name) - she was shown running to her father. So, here-gain, glorification with its default twist - women vulnerable. Can't we ever come out of this mind set?

When a rape is reported in the Newspaper - what kind of picture is shown, a women screaming or mostly hiding her face? What does it mean, why this picture? Is it a shame to the woman that she is raped? Or is it a shame to a man that he raped someone losing control over himself? Why is it not shown as a man feeling ashamed? Why is it shown as a vulnerable woman always? Don't you think the way we portray makes a difference and sets impression in the minds of the people? Why can't it be like a woman saving a guy in the nick of the moment in all these shows? So, my friends, what are the activists doing about it? Why, even the great Bollywood actors and big actresses who condemn when an incident happens, what are they doing about this? Why are they not objecting to such scenes in the movie? Are these scenes not sending messages to the male community? Is it not being reinforced in the minds of these men that women are vulnerable and a weak point of any man? To revenge a man, they attack a woman? How on earth is this justified? That is what our movies show and promote. And when you see comments for articles in various forums, when two men fight they call each other son of a bitch, mother f**ker and what not. Why all this abuse to women? Who is screaming at all these atrocities? Back to movies, women are shown almost nude and as item girls in the song sequences- now, for whose entertainment is this? I am sure no women is kicked by these, is it then to attract the male community? And who is doing these favours - our own women actors. The more the actress reveals, the more the expectation from the producers and the audience, and they are only willing to do the service. Why cannot there be an item song of men? Ofcourse, not many would want to see J So, women are treated as objects of beauty? The very producers and movie stars who condemn such act, and cry for women rights, are producing such films where women are treated cheap, as an object of entertainment. Why are the activists or actors not raising objection to this? For that matter, these movie players are party to this. And, why are we women not raising objection to this? We watch such movies through premium tickets and discuss the looks, dresses, hair styles, action sequences and what not of the actresses/ actors. We do not even register this objectionable piece. We are immune by now. We, women who call ourselves as feminist and who want equal rights, are party to it in our way, watching these shows, giving credits and collection to them.

If you are expecting me to conclude, I am not going to as that was never the intention. These are just my thoughts shared with my friends here. Glad if it left someone thinking. My temperament is not to argue to death over any point. As I always state, views differ and I would respect that. You could all feel free to debate on this thread. I would be happy to read and learn from your thoughts.

Thank you for reading it through.

Kaana

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Posted: 8 years ago
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you have a brilliant point

I think these incidents are a society problem

Watch the reaction to such incidents in Europe/US to india and Asia as a whole.

In Europe/US it takes hardly one or two years to convict and sentence are more like 20-30 years or life imprisonment for such crimes

But in india this case will take 30 years to get a conclusion(if you are lucky) or it may go on after the victim/accused dies tooo. That is biggest problem.

Second issue is the way society reacts - if something happens to woman everyone blame her not allow her to live in peace. Its a taboo in society that girl cannot go back to studies, work or any function or step out of house everyone see her as culprit rather than accused. That is why her face is hidden so a society backlash is prevented in future.

Third issue is the family itself - if something happens to a lady their family usually wash their hands off her to save their reputation. Look at dowry deaths, if parents and siblings will shelter a woman not wanted by husband and his family will she be burnt? Nooo but parents and siblings wash off their hands from a girl as soon as she is married.

Fourth girls are brought up in fear. You say a girl must defend herself and be brave. For that she must be brought up without fear with encouragement. Like you said a girl will get less food, her studies take last priority over any male sibling. Even if a lady earns the decision is taken how to use that money by father than husband and son. A girl is not allowed to go out and play on streets, go attend any public functions or events as its unsafe or not in culture.

Fifth issue is since law is weak the accused will be out on bail soon, so he may threten, attack or throw acid on victim once he is out. Or his family and friends may do that. Have you not read of so many such incidents. In US only 63% of sexual attacks are not reported by women to police. In indai this must be 90-95% for sure but no data is available. Only 5% come and report such attacks and how are they treated by law and society? That discourages other 95%

Hence till society and law changes no use blaming mothers for teaching daughters to be quiet or women for keeping quiet and not reporting or for not fighting. How will you fight? Its a patriarchal society and if it feels its superiority is threatened they gang up on victim. How will victim live after that? Who will support her financially? Who will marry her? Who will respect her? etc Its easy to give bashan but only a girl who has faced all this can answer how it is to live facing the whole world all alone.

In a society where divorcee and widows and childless women cannot perform/attend any marriage ceremony or any ceremony as its inauspicious what you are asking for is truly a distant dream. It may happen but after another 2000-3000 years. Its a myth propagated that man and woman has equal rights, even US never accepts lady president. The US presidents have been caught abusing women and never punished or lightly punished. No one has equal rights be it house, society, office etc its just a myth. If you think by working shoulder to shoulder you are equal very sorry to say its not, women have to work doubly hard to get poistion that man gets with 50% less effort. A man is paid double or more than woman for same job in any profession. etc

47% woman are sexual harrased at workplace in india. How many men are taken action? Hardly any or none. So do not live in myth that woman has equal rights. Even in US where comparatively women have better rights in house or workplace has sexual assault and harrasment. One in three ladies in US face sexual harrasment at work, in india it must be again very high percentage 80% may be. Very few even have courage to admit it tat is why only 47% admitted it, the rest are too scared to say yes i faced harassment.

What i prefer is parents and teachers must start teaching boys how to treat girls with respect. But when in house a boy sees his father disrespecting mother, elder sibling misbehaving with sister, boys getting better food, clothes, study opportunity etc its tough that person will turn into a man who respects equal rights of woman. That is why if you start teaching next generation by another 2000-3000 years woman may get equal to man.









Edited by myviewprem - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Fantastic.
It is a society problem definitely.
Women could not raise up as a single big voice against this. Because, still many women themselves do not believe in this, do not even want this. We, our own enemies :(
It takes enormous grit to come ouf of this mentality dinned in us over centuries. I admire those great women who has fought against all odds, even rape, acid attacks and come up in life. The society could not stop them. We need more such women.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

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you have a brilliant point

I think these incidents are a society problem

Watch the reaction to such incidents in Europe/US to india and Asia as a whole.

In Europe/US it takes hardly one or two years to convict and sentence are more like 20-30 years or life imprisonment for such crimes

But in india this case will take 30 years to get a conclusion(if you are lucky) or it may go on after the victim/accused dies tooo. That is biggest problem.

Second issue is the way society reacts - if something happens to woman everyone blame her not allow her to live in peace. Its a taboo in society that girl cannot go back to studies, work or any function or step out of house everyone see her as culprit rather than accused. That is why her face is hidden so a society backlash is prevented in future.

Third issue is the family itself - if something happens to a lady their family usually wash their hands off her to save their reputation. Look at dowry deaths, if parents and siblings will shelter a woman not wanted by husband and his family will she be burnt? Nooo but parents and siblings wash off their hands from a girl as soon as she is married.

Fourth girls are brought up in fear. You say a girl must defend herself and be brave. For that she must be brought up without fear with encouragement. Like you said a girl will get less food, her studies take last priority over any male sibling. Even if a lady earns the decision is taken how to use that money by father than husband and son. A girl is not allowed to go out and play on streets, go attend any public functions or events as its unsafe or not in culture.

Fifth issue is since law is weak the accused will be out on bail soon, so he may threten, attack or throw acid on victim once he is out. Or his family and friends may do that. Have you not read of so many such incidents. In US only 63% of sexual attacks are not reported by women to police. In indai this must be 90-95% for sure but no data is available. Only 5% come and report such attacks and how are they treated by law and society? That discourages other 95%

Hence till society and law changes no use blaming mothers for teaching daughters to be quiet or women for keeping quiet and not reporting or for not fighting. How will you fight? Its a patriarchal society and if it feels its superiority is threatened they gang up on victim. How will victim live after that? Who will support her financially? Who will marry her? Who will respect her? etc

In a society where divorcee and widows cannot perform/attend any marriage ceremony what you are asking for is truly a distant dream. It may happen but after another 2000-3000 years. Its a myth propagated that man and woman has equal rights, even Us never accepts lady president. No one has equal rights be it house, society, office etc a woman is just sugar coated as equal rights.




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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kaana

Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Fantastic.
It is a society problem definitely.
Women could not raise up as a single big voice against this. Because, still many women themselves do not believe in this, do not even want this. We, our own enemies :(
It takes enormous grit to come ouf of this mentality dinned in us over centuries. I admire those great women who has fought against all odds, even rape, acid attacks and come up in life. The society could not stop them. We need more such women.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Kana perfectly empathize with you and understand the rage you are feeling at this incident and incidents like this. You are not alone in this. I was an only daughter, but equal to ten sons for my Dad and Mom, my Dad more specifically. He always used to tell me that he wanted a daughter, and daughter only as his child. He used to tell me that I was his Durga, and Durga was one who would and could never be defeated. And that's why we call her Aparajitha or undefeatable also. My parents always brought me up strong enough to fight my battles on my own.
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Thanks Shailu for your post. Very nice and heartwarming to hear this.

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Kana perfectly empathize with you and understand the rage you are feeling at this incident and incidents like this. You are not alone in this. I was an only daughter, but equal to ten sons for my Dad and Mom, my Dad more specifically. He always used to tell me that he wanted a daughter, and daughter only as his child. He used to tell me that I was his Durga, and Durga was one who would and could never be defeated. And that's why we call her Aparajitha or undefeatable also. My parents always brought me up strong enough to fight my battles on my own.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Kana perfectly empathize with you and understand the rage you are feeling at this incident and incidents like this. You are not alone in this. I was an only daughter, but equal to ten sons for my Dad and Mom, my Dad more specifically. He always used to tell me that he wanted a daughter, and daughter only as his child. He used to tell me that I was his Durga, and Durga was one who would and could never be defeated. And that's why we call her Aparajitha or undefeatable also. My parents always brought me up strong enough to fight my battles on my own.


Exactly

it all depends on family, grandparents, parents, brothers, uncles and aunts, friends to install bravery and fighting ability

If they bring you up in fear you will never stand up yourself against any injustice as that is what is told from birth do not answer back boys, do not go here etc
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Precisely and that is exactly why I am saying unless all women come together to fight out, there is not much hope.

Fees cut etc can happen to a college guy also. But he may even choose to move out. But how many girls would dare to do that. That is how we are brought up, we succumb, we are in-secured. Though I must say women also coming out from the shell these days. Hopefully the next generation would see bolder mothers and thereby much bolder daughters. We could not do today, maybe they will tomorrow. I heard a girl walking out of the marriage from the marriage hall as she discovered about the boy's guilt, her parents or none could stop her. So I would not be in agreement that it is always a weak case against the woman, it is also a choice that the woman has. Not all father are willing to divorce the wife for supporting the daughter or speaking against his mother. Days are changing.

A victim is not supported out of shame mostly. Because rape and such are viewed as a shame and not as an abuse. This mindset need to change even amongst women. As you rightly pointed out, the girl will be further abused for going out alone or wearing a particular dress etc. even by her own mother. This should change, even if it be a distant dream. Mother should tell the daughter to raise up against all odds, shame the society that tries to shame her. Are we not seeing Gays coming out in the open now? As long as they feel ashamed themselves, they cannot face the world.

Survival for the fittest. Absolutely. We need to equip ourselves towards that. We need to shake up the weak mentality. Daughters are educating and can educate mothers. Daughter's voices are respected in families today. But one woman need to support another woman from another family as well. The situation today is not supportive, but this fight is the only forward. Otherwise, forever, women will be subjected to such atrocities.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem


Exactly

it all depends on family, grandparents, parents, brothers, uncles and aunts, friends to install bravery and fighting ability

If they bring you up in fear you will never stand up yourself against any injustice as that is what is told from birth do not answer back boys, do not go here etc


Agreed. Though not necessarily the case always.
Edited by Kaana - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Super Prem (hope you do not mind me calling you like this. )


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