The three faces of Suman Tiwari. - Page 2

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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: rcoza

Gosh u all so gosh i wanted to post but mine would have been only of 3to 4 lines all of u are really too good u take the story to new levels thanks


Thank U. 😊

It is an observation based on where the story is poised as of now...the basics of this love story.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan

@A Hajnal makes a lovely point about how Shravan is not privy to the qualities you mention. In any analysis, one must never lose sight of what are the motivations of a character's behaviour...as seen from the character's perspective...not our own...becos what we have is a 360 degree view which is not available to the characters themselves...In this connection, i can't resist making one point, in the story, Sumo has a 180 degree view if not a 360 one...yet the story is stuck at a point...we know why she does not despite her view...


Rekha,

I think you got me wrong here.

I was not asking WHY Shravan doesn't see her as we do. It is really quite irrelevant- To me, all that matters is he still loves her despite the flaws he sees in her..

I was asking, 'what does he know of her?'...because that is where the story seems headed now..At least that was why I had wanted this couple to get married from ever since Preekar shaadi was fixed.😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Amulya--

Hey, I'm back after so many days

I don't think a person can be classified into some basic personality types as in you classified Sumo into three. I believe there's always something even we don't know about ourselves until and unless we face the most direst situation or a situation we haven't faced yet. When we really are unsure about ourselves how can we be so sure about another person. There's always a scope for a new characteristic trait to be born any day. The reason for two persons to live together shouldn't necessarily be because they understand each other but it can rather be because they love each other and are ready to face any situation together.

Zindagiyan beeth jaate hain ek doosre ko samajne mein
Par kabhi humi koyi ye samaj paye ki samajna hi kyun hain
Jab zindagi hain ini chhoti si tho kabhi nasamj itni badi guna nahi hain
Isse guzaarne keliye chahiye thodisi pyaar thodisi muskaan bas


I am not the one classifying her..and definitely there is a lot more to a person than just 3 attributes...

I was simply analysing her based on the promo and trying to highlight the fact that he has not seen even one of the three aspects...A vast expanse of discovery awaits him..😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: potterginny

Hey-O Soup!
I am trying to put my thoughts in here, they are all jumbled up, so don't know of they make sense.
As you said, all three avatars constitute Sumo as a whole.
Shravan has seen them all. He also understands them...most of the time but they way he responds to them depends on his state of circumstances. He hasn't seen her develop them, the growth of her personality in all these years, that's why gets confused while encountering them. He doesn't know how to face them, he gets scared. He told Ramnath that she not what you think, he was hellbent on proving her worth but Sumo shut him out. He did reach out to her, thinking where he went wrong, but never received any proper explanation. Had she even once tried to explain her POV, he would have accepted her. He always did. But she shut him out, that made him think that she is shutting me out so that I don't influence her.'
He admires her for being a fighter, the stronger one. On face value, he masks it off to not appear vulnerable, but that strong, secure pillar is what makes him believe in her.
He loves the loving Suman. The one who would go to any lengths for her family. But has a problem when he doesn't find himself in her inclusion of family. The Preekar wedding drama, the middle class faade taunt is all that makes up as an excuse to blame her as he can't find the fault in her love for her family. And he wants to become like her. At preekar wedding, at their wedding, his attitude that 'if her family if important, so is mine.' But when he doesn't yield the result he hopes for, he gets frustrated.
He has seen glimpses of the one who loves him back. And whenever he has, he has been at his happiest. What he really craves is to be noticed and accepted by her. A pint of acknowledgement from her and he goes really high. The thank you, the promise of waiting for him -post the dal conversation, crediting him for saving Varun, the coffee conversation...they have just strengthened his hope that he is important to her. He will accept her with each ounce of his being when he comes to know that he is as much important to her as much she is to him. Because he knows Sumo like no other. The only thing that's making him label her is lack of acknowledgment on her part. When she stops ignoring him, he will again warm up to her. He has starting hoping again since his marriage. Just like she thinks that he loves her due to his own willingness to marry, he thinks the same. But he is confused right now due to his unmanaged expectations and the resultant lukewarm response on her part. Now her becoming a total Mrs Malhotra and being around him under the same roof will provide him an reassurance of the fact that she is not going anywhere, he will open up to all the faces of Sumo presented before him.



Thanx, Ginny.

@ Blue- the reason why he doesn't understand her even after he has seen some of the aspects...the ten years that he missed when Sumo grew up...😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


Rekha,

I think you got me wrong here.

I was not asking WHY Shravan doesn't see her as we do. It is really quite irrelevant- To me, all that matters is he still loves her despite the flaws he sees in her..

I was asking, 'what does he know of her?'...because that is where the story seems headed now..At least that was why I had wanted this couple to get married from ever since Preekar shaadi was fixed.😉


No Chick...I did not get u wrong at all...my only comment and it was not directed at you but a general one that we always have to see the character's motivations of behaviour...in which one cannot lose sight of the fact that the character is living the experience and we are watching a 360 degree view..which is not available to either Sumo or Shravan...When I say Sumodoes not take the first step, i am convinced by the characterisation on why she does not take the first step...only thing is I don't justify that behaviour, which I think u do...becos u feel closer to Sumo than Shravan. for me both are equidistant at this point. I understand his behav (not that I like it) and I understand her behavior (again not necessary that I like it). I am like a voyeur...just watching the two...and trying to understand where they will go from here..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Btw Chick...I forgot to comment on the "what does he know of her" ?

Yes I agree if he knew her...his misgivings would be far lesser...

But then I also say she also does not know him beyond her belief...which admittedly is far stronger than his belief in her...However, the narrative has proved that he has been there for her despite all the venom he spews...So, comparatively, her belief in him has to be stronger than his in her. Despite that PCT incident, she could still repose faith in him during the Aditya incident .The question is has she been there for him when he has expected it? I am not saying she is at fault for that..we know the background...My only point lets not give make a virtue out of a necessity to put down a character.

I feel both will make an attempt to know each other..Obviously he will know far more than she will know of him...His issues are unidimensional and her's are bit more complex.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sanfan


No Chick...I did not get u wrong at all...my only comment and it was not directed at you but a general one that we always have to see the character's motivations of behaviour...in which one cannot lose sight of the fact that the character is living the experience and we are watching a 360 degree view..which is not available to either Sumo or Shravan...When I say Sumodoes not take the first step, i am convinced by the characterisation on why she does not take the first step...only thing is I don't justify that behaviour, which I think u do...becos u feel closer to Sumo than Shravan. for me both are equidistant at this point. I understand his behav (not that I like it) and I understand her behavior (again not necessary that I like it). I am like a voyeur...just watching the two...and trying to understand where they will go from here..


@ Black- Could you elaborate on that? 😕
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


@ Black- Could you elaborate on that? 😕


For me Sumo does not take the first step becos of her insecutity and issues of ego...which is embedded in her character...It is the appeal of the character..I have bought into that characterisation.. So its acceptable to me why she does not take the first step...even though she is committed to the whole journey. I don't try to look for other reasons to justify her behaviour...I remain very strongly equidistant from both characters in this journey and I say this many times... (the only time I moved away was from Shravan when he mouthed the bed warmer comment becos i was personally upset and I wrote about it here becos the writers made his misogyny about a larger issue and not Sumo as I had read the character). When I say you do justify that behaviour of Sumo I mean ...you don't look at it as an ego or insecurity issue...you call it selflessness...I don't see in the narrative yet. That's where we differ...Chick...I am not contesting your point...maybe u have seen something in the narrative that is not visible to me
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


I am not the one classifying her..and definitely there is a lot more to a person than just 3 attributes...

I was simply analysing her based on the promo and trying to highlight the fact that he has not seen even one of the three aspects...A vast expanse of discovery awaits him..😉


I know that you're not the one who's classifying her but I'm saying here that I don't want Shravan to love her for those characteristics. I just want him to love her even if he doesn't find all those qualities in her, its a different case that she possesses those. As they're married now can't they just try to be happy even if they don't find those qualities which they want their partner to possess. If we keep on expecting there wouldn't be any end to it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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My short answer about your question -

Shravan is plain confused regarding her many faces, he's seen them all and they're like entangled in front of his dizzy eyes. He needs to write it all down and solve it like he solves his rubics cube. 😉

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