Who is right? Adarsh or Swadheenta?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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The Adarsh V/s Swadheenta debate 😆

There has been a lot of discussion these last few days about Adarsh's shortcoming's. He has failed as a husband, clearly (Pun intended. People who know me know that I am never against Adarsh), he had forgotten all promises made, he has no faith and trust in his wife and her judgement, he has not accepted his wife's family as his own. He is blinded by his family and the system and cannot see a proof even if it is gifted to him on a platter.

Similarly, there have been a lot of praises for Swadheenta's actions. She is fighting for her brother and maamu against all odds, she is trying to be a good wife too, she is finding all evidence on her own, she is so smart in connecting the dots, she is balancing all her roles.

The debate

It is my contention that by accepting Paddy's word of Manohar's involvement in the money laundering issue, Swadheenta acted just as Adarsh did when he heard about the Jilani's. He did not question the evidence. Now Swadheenta is not questioning Paddy's evidence.

The questions

1. What makes Swadheenta right now, and Adarsh wrong when he accepted the evidence against the Jilani's at face value? She is doing the same thing now.
2. Why is Swadheenta not wrong in questioning Manohar's morality?
3. Is she being a good wife and a good bahu by questioning her father-in-law's integrity based on some evidence that a reporter is providing?
4. If it was expected of Adarsh to accept and think on Swadheenta's lines, then why is it wrong to expect Swadheenta to see Adarsh's POV and drop the case?
5. If Adarsh is blinded by the system and the false evidence presented to him, why is it right for Swadheenta to be blinded by her emotions, intuition and gut?
6. If Swadheenta is acting on evidence now, so was Adarsh

If she is right in doing all this, why is Adarsh wrong? He questioned Jilani's morality and accepted them as wrong based on evidence against them.

The rules

Please analyze the situation and your justification based on what the characters know as information at this point. Not as an audience who certainly knows more than the characters!

So, in your opinion, who is right and who is wrong? And if someone if wrong, why are they wrong?

PS - This is just a healthy debate thread where anyone interested can share an option with justification.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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The difference between Adarsh and Swa is that while Adarsh displayed is distrust in front of the world, Swa did what he should have done. Notice, she did state yelling "your father is a criminal", she went to Suha who she believes thinks very critical, A senior lawyer, her mentor to report her findings. Did she say she believes paddy's investigations? no. I know she just inform Suha about her findings, but of cos we know Suha will be in big disbelieve. After all, she thinks she knows "her husband more than anyone else in the world. She is more than his wife, she is his best friend, and he usually tells her all his doings...even when its illegal.
Swa just want Suha is do her own findings and defend her husband in case some one is trying to frame Manohar and this blows out of proportion. She is acting like a good daughter in-law. in fact, trying to get Suha to listen to her calmly.
Adarsh, should have at list reason with Swa and work with her...even if just to make sure that Asad is really his brother's murderer and if not then find the real killer. He didn't do that. He is working against his wife. without listening to her own side.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I won't say Adarsh is wrong .😊.. But there are certainly some things which are missing in this character from the writer's end...
Only 9 episodes are left and he still has no idea of what is happening around... It becomes a lil drag fest because how much they will be able to show of Adarsh in these 9 episodes..

I feel bad for him as well.. System is fooling him, his father is fooling him, his brother is fooling him.. He was previously also kept far away from this Allen Broad's matter..

My point is to the CVs of this show that it would have been better if all had tried to reach the truth even if it is done on their own way...

Here Suhasini and Swadhinta both are in action.. so are Manohar and Jai.. But Adarsh is just taking everything that is spoon fed to him.. Not making even a tinge of effort... The writers should have created a situation where they should have kept Adarsh also in the picture...
And here also a little thinking was done by Swadhinta before she arrived at a conclusion.. She thought that Allen Broad is lying, she employed Paddy to dig the truth from Broad.. She knew someone from the power is trying to frame Haider... then she blamed Manohar.. still circumstantial but better than Adarsh. I would say...

And I understand that that there are many things that we as audience know but the characters don't ... But then still its not good to leave everything upon one's imaginations in a good story...

And there is one more thing.. As a person who loves these characters of Adarsh and Swadhinta, I would always like to see them on the right side walking the right path and hence may be sometimes, thinking becomes harsh on the person who is on the wrong side even if his situation is understandable...
😊 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Swadeentha is right
1. The information she has is gathered at her behest it is like her internal Enquiry.
2. The moment she learns the facts, she walks up to the Saasuma and mentor to lay her facts before her.
3. The reason she rises in my eyes is she did not treat it as a trump card to share in the court to bust the case.She came out straight and clean.
4. Caesar's wife is not above suspicion you have to be skeptical till you unravel the facts.
5. From day 1 Adarsh has demanded Phasi... saying you trust and care is one thing. Showing it in action is another.
6. When he quietly got the PP changed she did not act like a typical Jaya or Simmi jumping to conclusions and name calling.
7. She respected Adarsh's dcision and openly told him you will be satisfied of fair trial
8. There is a thin line between truth and falsehood in the senior lawyers view. What makes it right or wrong is the perspective and interpretation.
9. Life is about choices and living up to ones promises or vows whether made with birds or bird brained family members as witness defines who you are.
10 Swa has in every sense lived up to the promises made doing her KARZ.
11. Let the self righteous Alpha male now prove he can match it too.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Here goes my analysis. Neither Adarsh nor Swa is perfect. Both have their own flaws. And it is a choice. Swa is choosing relation over system and Adarsh is choosing system over relation at this point.
Both have half knowledge at this point. Swa knows relations because she has grown up in a warm, friendly household where things were shared. Ramakrishnan might be strict, but he never hid from his daughter his need to marry her of to his best student. Even now Ramakrishnan many call him hypocrite or whatever but is quite clear on where he stands. He stands with Sinhas because that is what the evidence shows. Her foster parents. The jilani's. They were much more friendly, open family. In a loving caring environment where she was given freewill Swa thrived. Now coming to system. System functions like a family too based on various relations. But mostly relations made for power. If relation is nurtured by a woman, system is nurtured by a man. This is one thing we always have to know( I have been doing this analysis of Sanskriti and Prakriti in SKR forum for the past 4-5 months, so bear with me if I am making it complicated ) . Relation is a women's world, while system is a man's world. If you have to understand system you have to understand how a man works or how his thoughts works or how he influences. Unfortunately Swa doesnt have this knowledge. She doesnt know how a man influences a woman. She had seen only the way Adarsh influences her, which is the right way, but that is not the way every man uses. Fear, tradition are 2 chains system put on woman to toe their lines and many does toe the line. Even the great Suhasini Sinha. Many times she has supported her husband's wrong doings directly and indirectly because she is a wife. Jaya suffers the humilation meted out to her by her husband and once he reforms have no qualms starting a life with him. A woman like Swa doesnt understand this dynamics of the power the patriarichy manages to run. And it is often here women like her who has good intentions fail also. And woman like Jaya the door mat or the saas and vamps of TV get away. Because put in the chakravyuh a woman like Swa is finally forced to accept relations. Her husband, her family and remain in the threshold and system thrives, because Swa as a woman has conscience and also respects traditions. So if dis respecting the tradition can make her lose relation many women chose relation and they end up in Chakravyuh or Chakravyuh takes them.

Now let us come to Adarsh. Adarsh has been born in the lap of system. He was bought up in the system. He knows the system, he believes the system. Because as a person he has not misused system. So he feels if someone misuses system he will know it. Yes he is correct. He knows system inside out. But does he knows the influence of relations in the system. Unfortunately no. He doesnt understand the way relations and personal gains manipulate system. See what Yash did was using system the wrong way because of relation. Adarsh doesnt understand this dynamics of relation within the system. He has not taken undue favours, he has not given undue favours for any personal gains. But system has many such relations like that of CM and Manohar which thrive on this undue relations. If Adarsh needs to understand the mix of relations in the system he has to understand a woman. He needs to understand her thought process, what influences her. Else he will be in the Chakravyuh of system with half knowledge and will perish inside it. Adarsh has seen only a woman like Swa who expresses herself. Suhas is also part of the system so is Jaya. Do he understand them.
To break the Chakravyuh Swa has to experience system, Adarsh has to experience relation for what it is. System has to jolt her, relation has to jolt him.

And in the choice segment Swa has to choose system over relation and Adarsh has to chose relation over system. The dynamics expected in a man and woman changes and the system changes for good.

Chakravyuh is the combination of system and relation and its dynamics. Note that it is dynamics, not static. To break it you need to know both system and relation and its interplay. On many occasions that is why a man and woman together only can break it. Or if you are doing it alone you need the understanding of masculine and feminine energy within you.
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I see that we have had a healthy debate.

I agree with every one of all of your points. But I am of the belief that both of them are right in their own way.

Adarsh has always played the role of a balance between everyone in the family. As much as he may have said things to Swadheenta or tried to advise her, he has not done it in public. He has not done it in front of others. If he has asked for phasi, he has done it in front of her, and because of the evidence that has been made available to him. And, we cannot forget the underlying fact that those episodes when he was asking for phasi was a week - 2 weeks since his younger brother's death. When the entire family stood on the other side of the balance, he was on the dahleez. He may not have openly supported her, but he did not demean her publicly. Anyone other than family has not gotten away with saying anything about Swadheenta in front of him. He has protected her. Considering the overwhelming evidence against the Jilani's, he is convinced that they are bad. And these last few episodes, all he is urging her to do is see the truth and give up, because he is concerned for her.

Swadheenta knows that her family is innocent and that they are being framed. She has the need to save them. Considering the sensitive nature of the information she now has uncovered, I know it is going to rattle a lot of cases. But I am glad she is not worried about it. She is true to her character, she is disclosing this information not to her mother-in-law, but her guru. Unfortunately, her guru also happens to be a wife and a mother. We will have to wait and see if the guru puts her personal relations aside to serve justice in this case.

So, in my opinion, Adarsh and Swadheenta are right! 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Priti ...I understand you are talking from character's POV but dont you think Adarsh refusing food from Swa on the breakfast table was his way of insulting her in front of the family ?
Edited by Manonidz - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Manonidz

@ Priti ...I understand you are talking from character's POV but dont you think Adarsh refusing food from Swa on the breakfast table was his way of insulting her in front of the family ?


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I am not his defending attorney at the moment. This is just a debate.

But, husband-wife is one thing Mano. A lot of things that happen in this relationship between a husband and wife should remain between them. But they are also part of the family. The issue that is happening here is not between a husband and wife. It is related to the family. So, in that context, if Adarsh has to take a stand, he has chosen to stand with his family because he thinks Swa is wrong. So, in the confines of his house, if he shows that he is also upset with Swa, why is that so wrong?

He is not in a position to defend her today because he truly believes that she is wrong. He is concerned for her. He has tried to make her see sense. He has defended her in public. He has cried for her safety. If despite all that she is not listening to him, he is allowed to express his displeasure, isn't he?

And insulting her in front of his family? He believes it is her family too, and by fighting this case he thinks she is insulting his family.
Edited by Soapoperasrfun - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I don't think Swa directly came to the conclusion by blindly believing in the enquiry. It's too fast to say that. She always know here that Jilanis are innocent, so there is conspiracy against them. She got her doubts verified through Paddy that Allen Broad's statement was not given but was made to give by him. Then Paddy further through her research gives info. that Manohar was also involoved in this conspiracy along with the other minister. Since they all were part of this raid and statement, Swa def. had to have doubt on Manohar as he was close to the minister. Since that minister attended the marriage.

Even now, Swa directly didn't jump to the confirmation...by the info. given by Paddy..that..that's all...Manohar is one of the reasons...that's it..iam going to prove it in the next hearing in court infront of everyone...i'll make sure he gets his punishment...that's it...No! She is thinking about it. Her expressions speak alot. She goes to her mentor/opponent/head of the family/mother in law to share the info. she found just before, that goes against Suha's beliefs.

Adarsh was/is in no-action..only in emotion..that's the diff.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Priti Trust, relationship are two way streets. You want to show solidarity with your family it is fine. Atleast in the privacy of your room where you pull her up, cant you voice your affection . You show concern no doubt...Saasumma walked up to her and asked her to join for breakfast. Other than the time she fills a bowl of cornflakes, we have not seen her eat or drink a thing and none have offered her anything. Is that the Karz you are referring ? She has not been welcomed or been made to feel a part , how do you expect her to give up on her ties? When a girl is uprooted and replanted in a new family she does undergo a great transition. The trauma ensuing the marriage and killing has been a Pandora's Box with new problems flying out each day. Swa has never turned the face and walked away...yet day after day she is made to feel unwanted and unloved.
Edited by moonwearer - 9 years ago

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