Blast from the Past Thread #30 **The Finale... Arnav Khushi Hamesha** - Page 28

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Posted: 9 years ago
^^^
indu, i so like your thoughts there.

not a glittery festivity suiting to a wedding..the utterly beautiful melancholy of the two infront of me..

the tense, almost bleeding frame. the heartbreak and insanity growing with each second.

shadi karni hogi... mujhse.. abhi...

every time i watch i am caught. something reminds me of the godfather throughout those wedding sequences. so intense so real and totally brutal, and yet it's sacred and pure, and beautiful.

maybe some day again we will see something as hypnotic.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Horizon

Indi,


lots of applause for writing sheetals, basket ball matches and bankelals..
what ever little I watched these then, read you now... its very ironical these two faces so very familiar.. yet they are complete strangers..unrecognizable..tragic indeed...
Sheetal is such an aberration and antidote to the whole intoxication that is IPK...yet fortunately not a good enough negator to throw the whole perfection into an abyss and stop us from crying buckets at its loss...
i have to watch the epis to refresh memory to read your takes.. i promised myself to do so soon enough..


thanks. 😆 along with the worst characters they seemd to find the least likable actors too... dadi, now sheetal. madhura naik makes me feel practically uncomfortable, something so so shifty about her.

it's been fun writing these... and sad. we all know the last 50 are an abs wrecking of ipk but as i watch i juts feel a sadness i am coming to the end. in a few days all the episodes will be done... i have saved episode 4 to 7 for the end. a little jalebi twist for me.

read when you want to, no rush. two really dear people have been put through madness. and the show itself. yet, something survives intact. that's what it finally is all about i guess.
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Posted: 9 years ago

indu,

after your post, i had to go and see, and of course an edit is practically mandatory now... otherwise saansey in disarray... anyway, saansey in disarray.




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Posted: 9 years ago









will we ever see things like this again. just casually on a tv set, who knows when, suddenly it's in front of you and it's making you feel things. you can't talk, you can't think. you can't look away.






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Posted: 9 years ago
Indi,

Beautiful.. how you merged all the images in that collage and the gif...

may be I am going OTT..but the whole color scheme of that pool side convo makes it so very poignant..dark greenish ambience.. deep red of her dupatta not that sensuous diwali red..something classically solemn..his light stubble.. pain ridden eyes reflecting his bleeding heart.. one can almost take a dip in it ..
Exactly I was thinking the same today watching the hospital hug if I ever turn my tv on again and come across something as transfixing ...

oh btw, I was trying to watch 360s.. and fingers clicked the familiar numbers between 100-200...😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
^^^

😆

hard to watch the 360s without running off to the other 60s. 😆

abbs agree about the colors of that sequence. throbbing with something, browned out, greenish tinge, streak of deep red and two sets of eyes and a voice. it just grips me. a feel of another time, a greece or rome or constantinople in it, an intensity of a rembrandt, with many shades of dark, and the stilling acting.

thanks for liking the collage.
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Posted: 9 years ago
disjointed not disarmed
episodes 367/368




totally disarmed.

sorry, thodlly disarrrmed.

nice stubble in the suv with blindfolded wife.

a beautiful lover and a rather lovely object of love. a lot of kkg there today. madam in abhimaan.

two cribs. bd's twice the size of actors, 😆😆

even their wigs. voice, in a couple of places could have sworn that wasn't barun's.

no, his mushy gush didn't feel like capitualtion, just sweet sweet love. and he got her to promise, cops next time please.

okay, i guess it's time to eat my words. and please don't bother to serve it to me in chef cap and apron. wrote that soon after seeing episode 367 the very first time. though even then i'd thought during the garden scene which i don't like at all any more, what's wrong with his voice? is it barun at all?

thankfully, i did complain about the body doubles even if with an apostrophe that wasn't needed.

the most shattering thing about 367 and 368 was, no dhakdhaks. not even once. so much happened, there were all these scenes with khushi and asr... but i felt nothing. even when barun said that todally dizzaarmed thing... even when they acted cute over breakfast, even when he smiled in bemused wonder at her antics... nothing nowhere never.

this i think hasn't ever happened before.

when sheetal came, even if i didn't like the way the story was set up, nor the way the new actress looked, talked, felt, i had still hoped something wonderful might happen.

this could be chudail. this could be the catalyst that was needed to bring khushi's possessiveness, her need for laad governor careening out. as she explored her feelings, as she showed her baal noch loongi huq, we might reach another level in asr khushi's love story.

i had really hoped for that and so missed the glaring faults in the episodes then. this time, i didn't. screenplay was utterly disjointed. why things were happening no one knew, you hopped from one scene to another, no link between them. acting was forced all around.

barun looked tired and uninvolved and smiled too much and too sweetly... and since when does asr smile at children?

huh?

how?

come?

and what's that language? big guy? did i just hear asr say that to a kid with a gentle voice and slanted grin? nahiiin. asr, tum theek ho?

and where does it say that once you fall in love with someone and marry them, you become another human being almost vis a vis that person? every story has its own cadence, its feel... two people in fact possibly maintain their connection, that charge between them, by keeping what ignited it alive.



i don't recognise asr khushi in these little vignettes of them any more. it's a matter of devising something, anything... to bring in a rabba vey. that gets trp someone has said. that is signature. that is brand.

but it's all becoming heartless and mechanical. sometimes downright silly. who gags and binds his wife then throws her into a car and drives over to a garden to bow his head before her and tell she's a better person than he is? the shatir man?

maybe that's why he assigned the whole thing to a body double.


watching asr smiling for no reason at the not so funny khushi doing another so called cute scene on how she beat up the kidnappers was problematic enough. then came the shot from behind him... and it was not him at all. it was disturbing.

how can professional creatives, directors, editors, cinematographers be so careless with how they use doubles?

khushi's double walked around with a massive wig and her completely unsanaya like limbs and movements, it was bizarre... you knew it wasn't sanaya yet you were supposed to believe that's khushi.

right through the two episodes doubles messed with watching, concentrating, even getting into the story if there was one.



to get aarav into rm along with sheetal the most improbable story was fetched and thrown at us. little kids wouldn't buy such tales...

when i watch the last fifty odd episodes of ipk, it's always difficult. something feels badly shaken and taken off its very foundation. it angers and frustrates me at times. sometimes i fast forward. but what it all really makes me feel is mystified.

why?

why did the entire story and the telling of it have to go this way?

what made it necessary to lose ipk?

don't tell me it's because the story had ended... because i know that's nonsense. the whole of sheesh mahal and its secrets was always there... just that no one went to its door.

instead sheetal aarav entered the scene...

... why? i suppose i should just be grateful it was not the other serial device, "the leap." imagine asr khushi with nineteen year old daughter in love with a most unsuitable boy...

okay, bring on the sheetals, i am ready.


and, sorry, asr would have not just chided khushi but been completely gussa and raving about her driving around like a lunatic. the man went ballistic when there was a shard of glass embedded in her wrist. does anyone remember.

also, how can you reduce khushi, your main female lead, to this unreal cardboard character? she is funky and sharp and conscientious and loving and grounded, not silly and prone to doing foolish things with no clue of what's really up. asr is not madly in love with her because she prances about acting cute (aaargh)... i wish the writers had binge watched the early episodes like us, they'd have not been able to write all this stuff then.

anyway, so let's go into track sheetal. haha i was delighted to see sheetal managed only to get the double to chat with her. not this hot brown fellow.



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Haha indi.. that sadistic pleasure in the end...sheetal will not get the brown fellah...😆

i did like the whole. "totally disarmed".. pool side .. gagging and throwing in to car stuff .. i see that creatives were trying hard to "manage" the visceral love story they once created...i never anyway hoped they would be able to resurrect that...if he looked a bit kempt and got his voice right .. total scene would have been very much passable for me..

i like what you say about the dhadkans...interesting what you say about shifty sheetal..

barun's voice modulation is so off... it was very casual barunish... no trace of asr..I was watching it right after 164 and the difference is very obvious...he was just not there in anyway...and khushi...the caricature she was made into ..

the BDs.. and our travails.. even the first maa ka garden was bitterly spoiled becos of Bds.. sanaya's is still ok.. why would one choose a bald guy to be a BD for a man with rich hair...get the basics right..

his bending head... ..it is filmy.. not ipkish.. nor asrish...it seemed to have been taken straight out of Kuch kuch hota hai...Shah Rukh Khan confesses to the FL bending his head there...durga once made a topic on films and IPK .. i was going to suggest her to add this to that..

We are on a slide.. going down.. and further down... may be there will be times when we can run back to the top again...

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Posted: 9 years ago
don't go away
episode 379



suddenly karwa chauth was upon us. as if brought out of nowhere, quickly pushing aside the issue of aarav's escapade and moving onto the next. i felt the abruptness of it, and i wondered why this change.



it was a mahaepisode. a lot of time was spent on establishing how khushi can't do without food. along with the ever colourful mami ji, who always manages to exaggerate things to a point of hysteria... she and khushi, the two raizada bahus who can't fast but will, because they think they ought to.



one's husband has disappeared from the scene. the other's swami is not at all keen that his biwi do karwa chauth. he doesn't believe in such things, he says.



again i wonder why he is so adamant. he has no problems with others doing what they believe they should, just that he has his own way of looking at things. his di is forever fasting. if his wife wants to observe karwa chauth, why is he so against it? is it because he is genuinely worried about her not eating and then passing out? or is he not keen on it because the fast is for him and he doesn't like to see her suffer on his account? or is it something else?



then he challenged her. i was surprised.

in the meantime, khushi is horribly worried about sheetal ji observing the fast.

of course, she is also eating like a maniac, at 8pm she says there's hardly any time left before she has to stop eating at 12 midnight. but she really doesn't, not that i know of 12 midnight being a cut off in a hindu fast.



it was only after asr had finished getting after his wife pretending to eat all sorts of delicious things, that i finally realised why karwa chauth at all.

okay, i can't say i realised. just that i felt a chill in my heart.

"sabki apni zindagi hai. kitna jeena hai... kab marna hai... yeh vrat rakhke thodi change kar sakte hain?"



when di asked him after the charade was over, why exactly they were pulling khushi's leg so much, he said after a bit... everyone has their own life. how much one will live... when one will die... can one change this by observing fasts?



i can still feel the shock i felt the first time i heard these words.

why is he talking about death?
are they planning to kill him? is he going to die?



my thoughts raced crazily around. these were extremely turbulent days at ipk. every day we'd here something new. show they were saying would end soon. the rumours regarding asr's death i don't think had started floating yet.



but now when i look at it. yes, last minute, sheetal track was changed. perhaps they understood how much everyone disliked sheetal and making aarav asr's son would not work at all.

even if asr lived. portrayed by another actor once barun left.

i get the feeling that's why the decision was taken that he had to die.


and in extreme ipk style, the thought of asr's impending demise was seeded in the episode where his wife would pray and fast for only one thing.

his long life.




after hearing that sentence, i really couldn't concentrate on the episode. though i laughed at the mami khushi antics. and went to heaven along with khushi on the pakode scene. love making in the kitchen, something sensuous about it always. and something ipk... at so many points in their story, we have seen him here... the first time i think in 64, when he found her their and lost it. di! di! get ooouuut. and that quiet walk away of hers from him. who can forget.



and then when i least expected it, he stood there at the poolside, wearing a shalwar? was it like a pathan suit? whatever it was, he looked a little different but terrific anyway... an intensity in him.

and she appeared in red.

there was a lightness in the air, mirth... just for a few moments. as the food appeared and disappeared and the extreme eater went a little more nuts. then he said something about making her feel better.




she said something which made him realise why she was doing this at all.. even if it was hard.


"hum mantey hain ki yeh vrat rakhne se woh hamesha aur lamba ho jaayga..." i believe if i keep this fast, our forever will get even longer.

a simple khushi like sentiment, said in her sort of words. he had to relent. he had to understand. even if he didn't believe. i though that is so essential if two people are to live together even if they have different thoughts on key issues... it's always hard work.. but one can get there... slowly... you need a longer hamesha perhaps.



hamesha.

another ipk essential had been evoked.

and when she demanded a moon from him... he gave it to her.

albeit it was borrowed from a film, that scene, but barun sobti and sanaya irani wove it flawlessly into the tale of arnav singh raizada and khushi kumari gupta.

a melody came in just like that as it had on another evening... and another. a man and a girl in red.

memories came to the poolside and a melancholy with it. but so did magic. of a different kind, its language and spell new. a frown took your breath away, a smile took you on a voyage.

this time the song didn't say rabba vey, it didn't whisper jadoo hai nasha hai... it implored instead,

ab na jaa.

don't go away...




beautiful song, but who was going away? was someone going away?

and barun sobti and sanaya irani took the poolside to such a staggeringly intimate place, i couldn't breathe. the nature of attraction had undergone change, deepened, grown older. a terribly adult man and his lover who knows how essential she is to him. who sees his need, his arousal, and returns it with her own... her expressions say so many things.

i stare at them wondering where they get that range of expressions from. how mature and sensual today the two, a place where love and its physical play intertwine, become inseparable. i remember a girl in red in an office and a man in a suit who couldn't stop himself... he had to walk to her.




was that the beginning? the seed of an attraction sown, an attraction that would become what no one knew? not understood, not rationalised. just there. elemental. you have to walk toward her. she has to stand transfixed.



then that night of diwali. again she in red.. by this poolside here... and the attraction raging. still not understood but utterly compelling... you forget you're a man with a girl friend, she forgets it too... your eyes lose focus as you go nearer, her lips tremble... a hand clutches a saree. the lights glimmer.

the next level of an unnamed feeling overtaking all.



and now here. feelings acknowledged, emotions named, attraction embedded and growing mature, sure. experience heightening the murmur within, the exploration without.

his longing no longer needing to be kept in check. her desire neither.



as the song moved, so did the two of them, in a dance of lovers. who felt the red in its deepest hue... i noticed how from a simple red saree, and the nubile, innocent look, diwali got a little more complex, older somehow, more out of control, and now the darker rich red, but the jewellery white like that very first time, only more grown up... a girl who is now a woman... pleased to allure her man. no longer apprehensive... though still a little shy, perhaps of her own reaction, her own need. who knows.



but there they swayed, hands reached, held, drew against the body, faces came closer, played, things were said though not uttered, bodies flowed toward each other, ab na jaa... don't go now.

a fabulous adultness to the language, the movement. a feeling so intimate, i actually wondered if i should put a signature on it and interfere. the space somehow sacred. only for asr and khushi.

ab na jaa.

flt as if the directors wanted to craft perfection. take us to a high like perhaps never before. i must thank all those who were involved with this scene. even the spot boys. there is a pure high here that is entrancing.

and it's in the middle of episodes that are really the downhill episodes of ipk.

a magnificent togetherness.



yet when he said,
"khushi, yeh vrat se itna kuchh ho sakta hai kya?" khushi, can a fast make all this happen?... he the man of dimaag, of reason, while i had to smile at his question, i felt the chill again.

he averred he would always be there as she tripped and he caught her. as he had that first time she had come to see him in his house, just before he banished her to the guest house. where she might have died.

bookends. my mind said, bookends. a culmination here of all that is most viscerally asr khushi. a man walking toward a girl, a girl in red, a trip and a catch, hamesha... and vishwas. here at the poolside, where else. there was even that sindoor falling like that day in bersarai... red again.

don't go, i couldn't help thinking, ab na jaa.

but a mahaepisode all of a sudden, a change of tale, and those words, i couldn't tell myself i was imagining things.

maybe that's why sanaya and barun took the karwa chauth poolside where they did. perhaps they knew... this would be the last dance. an end of hamesha.

i loved the switch to lightness and kidding around between them. beautiful direction. like real lovers. and when he said earlier, so should i keep a vrat, i had to guffaw. tricky issue, asr. don't go anywhere, stay right there, will you.






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episode 379



"phir besan mein haldi... namak... aur kali mirch daalti ho..." he is whispering intimately

"... pyaar se."

then you put in the gram flour, turmeric... salt... and black pepper...
with love.

"tel ko gas pe rakhti ho...aur phir dheere dheere besan se covered aaloo usme chhorti ho... aur phir kuchh hota hai..."

you put the oil (the wok) on the fire... and then very slowly you take the besan coated potatoes and drop them into the oil... and then something happens...

"kya?" asks the girl, disconcereted, almost dizzy.

"pakode... banne lagte hain... kadai mein dheere dheere upar uthne lagte hain... aur banate hue.. tumhe unki khushboo aati hai..."

"the fritters.. they start getting ready... slowly they start to float up... and as you cook, you get their aroma.."

"aur phir... tum woh ek ek karke bahar nikalti ho..."

and then you take them out.. one by one...

"aur phir tum.. aur main, pyaar bhari baatein karte hue un pakodo ko khate hain..."

and then, you and i, while talking to each other tenderly, eat those fritters..."

"hum ek chak-"

let me taste one-

poor girl.





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made 43 edits or maybe more... my pakode very taloed.











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