The Journey of Ascension (From Rizwaan to IshRiz)

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I had promised Sohu and Payal that I will be making a post on the "oneness" of IshRiz because according to me it is nearly impossible to find a solid dissociation between Ishaan and Rizwaan except for the nefarious purpose attached with the latter...

By oneness, I do not mean non-duality here because non-duality is more like the absence of separation than to the realization of unity. Also, I promised them that I will try to talk about a phrase from one of my favorite book Atlas Shrugged - "Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification" wrt to Rizwaan. So here is that post but I am not sure if I will be able to explain my point clearly.

I have said before on this forum that I personally feel that even IshRiz cannot dissociate between Ishaan and Rizwaan at emotional level. However, there is just a psychologically existing thin and unstable wall that differentiates the two but it also needs constant reminders in order to stay intact.

When we look out onto the world, we all experience life in dual aspects: day and night, hot and cold, pleasure and pain, positive and negative, good and evil etc. And, this separation that someone experiences depends on the wounding he or she is carrying. It is how the mind perceives the realities and unfolding of life but as we develop subtle inner capacities we see the shaded of gray in between the polar extremes. As we rise in consciousness, we begin to see the entire spectrum of possibilities from one pole too another, but we begin to lose the entire sense of polarity. When we rise to our penultimate selves, we only see and experience oneness.

This is what IshRiz has been going through in the last four years from the moment he has come in contact with the Hooda's and Preet. Before that Rizwaan's life was limited within a circle after his parent's death and he viewed the world as that circle taught him to. But now his eyes are opening to the worldly view around him and thus the line of differentiation with which he perceived the world as well as dissociated himself from Ishaan is vanishing. However, it still exists psychologically because he has not yet completely stepped out of that circle and its control.

In short, I prefer to see it as Rizwaan's journey of ascension to IshRiz where he is seen venturing forth from a judgmental, polarized and limited mind to the experience of being liberated from negativity and limitation into the expanded, universal mind. The journey where he became a being of heart, living in compassion, generosity and tremendous strength and wisdom. His is continuously diving into the mystery of eternal beingness, yet simultaneously becoming more practical, grounded and real as his consciousness is becoming more based on the truth that he is experiencing each day.

And, ascension does not mean leaving behind something, just walking out on, or abandoning the old (reality and identity of being Rizwaan in this case) but rather it means completing the old (identification) - i.e. achieving wholeness (oneness) (IshRiz).

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Finally. 🤗
Reserving my comment. Will update it in the evening.
But, this one is such a great read.😃

Okay finally I'm unreserving😳

What a beautiful post this is Priti. And how distinctively you've pointed out the union of IshRiz.
You know I have always felt there is no Ishaan and that its all about Rizwaan. Cause we have no idea about anything related to the original Ishaan Hooda. We don't know whether Ishaan was as dutiful as a son as Rizwaan, as loving a brother as Rizwaan, as affectionate and caring a father as Rizwan..we know nothing! But Rizwaan has created his own image of Ishaan and has fulfilled all his relationship with so much purity and honesty that I feel that there can never be a better Ishaan than him.
Every person has a good side and a bad side. Ishaan is that good side of Rizwaan. And it's the inner conflict of the good vs bad, Ishaan vs Rizwaan ( the Rizwaan baba and his gang want him to be).
And since he is a man with a conscience, Ishaan always weighs down the Rizwaan in him..but then as you said both belong to the same soul, and you possibly can't separate them; thereby culminating in the 'oneness' of IshRiz.

I don't know whether I could explain to you what actually I feel.. It's really difficult for me to put into words. 😆
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It is a beautiful post Preeti. The oneness yet distinction of Ishaan and Rizwaan is what has granted the depth to his character. There are times when the boundries are very distinct and times when the amagmation is harmonious. Ishaan and Rizwaan are breathing inside a single body and they keep on fighting with each other to take domination .

I sometimes feel that there is a constant battle going on inside this physical body, as of which identity will win. It seems as the survival battle, bcz at this point of time, Rizwaan and Ishaan are co dependent on each other. His exterior body can no longer harbour a single entity but these two identities keep on fighting with each other, when one side is too tired too fight, we find a harmony among them, depeicting that there is no ishaan, and its rizwaan.

I do not agree with this reality that there is no ishaan. There is an ishaan. Its not only a name but a persona, a persona that breathes inside him. Rizwaan and Ishaan are similar, but they are NOT one, they are distinct and his fondness for becoming both Ishaan and Rizwaan is what arises his conflict. If there wouldnt have been an ishaan then there wouldnt have been a conflict.

I dont know if i made sense or not, but thank u for this wonderful post. Ishaan and Rizwaan exsist as two different people in the same physical body, and in the deepest silence of ones life, these two entities talk to each other. I will qoute one of the mot beautiful and famous pieces of urdu poetry ..

Tum merey paas hotey ho goya ..
Jab koi doosra nahi hota .

You know nobody has yet undertood what the poet wanted to say in this. There are a thousand seperate critical interpretations of this shair but no one succeded to understand what it means. Is it for the lover? Or for God? Goya means .. in conversation, and goya means even though. Does this mean that you are in conversation with me when no one else is or you are near me even though no one else is.

I find this very relevant to ishaan and rizwaan.

Wo ik doosre k sath hotey hain goya .. jab koi doosra nahi hota.
Edited by Fantasia. - 10 years ago
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Very beautifully written.. Ishaan and Rizwan are two sides of the same coin.. One cannot be without the other. Ishaan means The Sun and Rizwaan means the Protector.. The Sun nurtures and the Protector is the guardian angel... Two most important virtues of the man IshRiz.. Then how can this man be called only Ishaan or only Rizwaan? The man who started as a Protector only slowly progressed to become a Nurturer...

Also "Hooda" comes originally from word "Huda" that means 'Right Guidance'... And it's so symbolic in the sense that the Hooda's have been a catalyst in this journey of IshRiz.

...and then of course 'Preet' means 'Love' who is a driving force behind this Rizwaan Ishaan amalgamation..

Right guidance... Love.. Two forces behind the identity fusion of IshRiz...

I thought for a long time as to what would be an appropriate reaction to your super amazing post... This I hope makes sense... 😊






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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.

Tum merey paas hotey ho goya ..
Jab koi doosra nahi hota .

You know nobody has yet undertood what the poet wanted to say in this. There are a thousand seperate critical interpretations of this shair but no one succeded to understand what it means. Is it for the lover? Or for God? Goya means .. in conversation, and goya means even though. Does this mean that you are in conversation with me when no one else is or you are near me even though no one else is.

I find this very relevant to ishaan and rizwaan.

Wo ik doosre k sath hotey hain goya .. jab koi doosra nahi hota.

Loved your write up!!
...and what a wonderful piece of poetry and as you said no one has really understood what the poet really meant.. The second you feel you have grasped its meaning you find it running away from you.. That the real talent of this poet... What I think it means is.. You are with me as if I am alone.. You are a part of me in such a way that even when we are together I see only one person...

Beautiful!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fantasia.

It is a beautiful post Preeti. The oneness yet distinction of Ishaan and Rizwaan is what has granted the depth to his character. There are times when the boundries are very distinct and times when the amagmation is harmonious. Ishaan and Rizwaan are breathing inside a single body and they keep on fighting with each other to take domination .


I sometimes feel that there is a constant battle going on inside this physical body, as of which identity will win. It seems as the survival battle, bcz at this point of time, Rizwaan and Ishaan are co dependent on each other. His exterior body can no longer harbour a single entity but these two identities keep on fighting with each other, when one side is too tired too fight, we find a harmony among them, depeicting that there is no ishaan, and its rizwaan.

I do not agree with this reality that there is no ishaan. There is an ishaan. Its not only a name but a persona, a persona that breathes inside him. Rizwaan and Ishaan are similar, but they are NOT one, they are distinct and his fondness for becoming both Ishaan and Rizwaan is what arises his conflict. If there wouldnt have been an ishaan then there wouldnt have been a conflict.

I dont know if i made sense or not, but thank u for this wonderful post. Ishaan and Rizwaan exsist as two different people in the same physical body, and in the deepest silence of ones life, these two entities talk to each other. I will qoute one of the mot beautiful and famous pieces of urdu poetry ..

Tum merey paas hotey ho goya ..
Jab koi doosra nahi hota .

You know nobody has yet undertood what the poet wanted to say in this. There are a thousand seperate critical interpretations of this shair but no one succeded to understand what it means. Is it for the lover? Or for God? Goya means .. in conversation, and goya means even though. Does this mean that you are in conversation with me when no one else is or you are near me even though no one else is.

I find this very relevant to ishaan and rizwaan.

Wo ik doosre k sath hotey hain goya .. jab koi doosra nahi hota.


Kinza, to begin with I would like to say that you have quoted one of the most beautiful lines here and believe me I have not been able to stop thinking about this couplet from the time I have read this post of yours!

Just the words 'goya' and 'jab' brings multiple layers of meaning and interpretation to these lines. As far as I understood in Hindi 'goya' is close to word like 'Maano' because it kind of brings the momentary deferral of skepticism that occurs when illusory is so realistic that it becomes reality...

I am still unsure of how to truly capture the essence of these lines - when you are with me, no one else is? Or, you are with me, when no one else is? Or, you are close to me (as if), when no one else is?

I guess that is the beauty of this couplet! Thank you for sharing because I am really going to ponder over this more *hugs*

I completely agree with you that Ishaan is not just a name and that is what I wanted to tell through this oneness :)

Rizwaan and Ishaan are unified at emotional level but not at psychological level and that is what gives rise to these conflicts! And such conflicts won't stop until the realization and acknowledgement of this unification occurs and that can only happen under stressful situation that we are yet to witness!


Edited: Haha! This couplet is gonna keep me occupied for a while ;) Just a thought occurred to me that wrt to IshRiz and the future story line it could also mean that you are with me when others have abandoned me - proving the oneness of Ishaan and Rizwaan and his failed efforts of dissociating between the two even after the truth is out - you remain within me even when nothing else is mine :)

Edited by idonkno - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Loveforlife


Very beautifully written.. Ishaan and Rizwan are two sides of the same coin.. One cannot be without the other. Ishaan means The Sun and Rizwaan means the Protector.. The Sun nurtures and the Protector is the guardian angel... Two most important virtues of the man IshRiz.. Then how can this man be called only Ishaan or only Rizwaan? The man who started as a Protector only slowly progressed to become a Nurturer...

Also "Hooda" comes originally from word "Huda" that means 'Right Guidance'... And it's so symbolic in the sense that the Hooda's have been a catalyst in this journey of IshRiz.

...and then of course 'Preet' means 'Love' who is a driving force behind this Rizwaan Ishaan amalgamation..

Right guidance... Love.. Two forces behind the identity fusion of IshRiz...

I thought for a long time as to what would be an appropriate reaction to your super amazing post... This I hope makes sense... 😊


Raveena, I always find your posts very poetic and this one is no exception either :) The way you have explained here putting forward the meanings is highly commendable *takes a bow*

Yes, right guidance and love are the two forces that has led to this unification and now they are inseparable..If they show us a realization and acknowledgement of this fact then it would be nothing less than a sheer beauty..I sincerely hope they do :)

Edited by idonkno - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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It's a lovely post Preet... Your reference to Altas Shrugged is impressive.. Existence is identity consciousness is identification. It's interesting that an EK serial is making people reference Ayn Rand and the axioms of existence and consciousness. Just as different is Rizwan and Ishan in their identity the consciousness is developing to be one.. And that's the journey hopefully they execute and we get to watch happily!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Beautiful Analysis and Equally Beautiful Responses...
This Overpowering of Ishaan on Rizwaan and Rizwaan on Ishaan is creating a Conflicts in his Life .

IshRiz need to understand Its only when They Unite , The Balance will Strike ...


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Posted: 10 years ago
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I feel like my reply word tarnish the beauty of the post and the replies that I've been reading.

Beautifully put together Preeti Kinza & Ravz. You girls probably pulled the words out of my mind. I won't say anything unintelligible and ruin the beautiful vibe.
All I will say is you have left me in major awe.
Thanks for this post.

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