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Posted: 9 years ago
It's true that Ashoka is currently stagnant with the Dharma-Shubhadtangi issue being unnecessarily blown out of proportion. But it's got a measure of interest Shyamala that makes it watchable. But it is currently lacking the layers for an analysis which JA had in abundance. So I can understand Shyamala's lack of interest in the analysis.
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good shyamala i m not feeling so sad for missing on ashoka as i did tried watching but could not stay glued like i did for JA! in fact i tried watching even the new shows but none have the same effect, now either i have to wait for RT's new show or keep rewatching JA's selected episodes which are better than watching any show currently running!
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Jodha Akbar 4: Siyaasat ki chaal

Folks,

At the first viewing of this episode, I felt that my post about it would be a one pager, as there seemed to be nothing of substance in it bar the Jalal-Abdul exchange about the horse, which was a rare delight for eye and ear alike. But on the mandatory second viewing, when I patiently sat thru the darbar scene of the Ameradipati nyay priya (my foot!😔) Bharmal, and the Sujamal-Jodha scenes that followed and preceded it, it was clear that a bit more was called for. So here goes, and as they advise one while sitting down to a special meal, let us take the best first.

Tez dimaag aur shaatir wafadaari: This pretty much sums up Abdul, and the shaatir dimaag that never fails to light up his eyes at the oddest moments is such a delight that the fact of his subsequent and unexplained disappearance catches at my throat like a suppressed sob.

He is that rare companion who cares for Jalal for his own sake, and rates his Shahenshah's well-being and his march to a place in history far more than his own position, even in Jalal's eyes. Such courtiers are rare, and are worth their weight in gold, for they hold a pitiless mirror up to the face of their sovereign, and speak the kadwa sach to him where no one else would dare to. Much later, there is Atgah Khan, who also speaks the truth to Jalal, but far more gently and in a far more roundabout way than Abdul, even if equally effectively.

In fact, to look at Jalal and Abdul, one would have imagined that they had grown up together from boyhood. One presumes they have not, but there is a deep and genuine friendship between them regardless, a friendship that, on Jalal's side, can take the most blunt criticism without flying into a temper. Which other emperor would let a subordinate ask him : Aapne ghoda kyon de diya Shahenshah? Jahan aapko hi apni pasand ki cheeez yahan haasil nahi hoti, waisi sultanat ka kya hoga?

A void to be filled: But Jalal does, and Abdul can get away with such things because of the very strong bond of camaraderie, and trust, that they share. And this bond exists not only because Jalal understands and accepts plain speaking when he knows that it is honest and not due to some inner agenda. It exists as much because there is a void in Jalal's zehen, a void created by the absence of those who care, not for the Shahenshah, but for Jalal. And Abdul, who Jalal knows without any doubt is one such, fills this void to some extent.

So he can say bluntly: Jise ek bar Shahenshah ne chun liya, wo cheez phir kisi aur ki pasand nahin ban sakti.Kya Khan Baba to itni bhi samajh nahin jo apni hi pasand saamne rakh diya?

Dangerous arrogance: Now this is a bit unfair because there is no indication, at this point, that Bairam Khan would have insisted on having that horse in the face of Jalal's liking for it.

But the very fact that his khwaja sera has the unbelievable audacity to speak up in front of the Shahenshah, and in effect tell him that he cannot have this horse as the Wazir-e-Sultanat had already booked it, clearly demonstrates that the Shahenshah's wishes are considered, even by a lowly slave, as of little moment when they clash with those of Bairam Khan. Surely Bairam Khan must have indicated as such, at least indirectly, to his inner circle, even to this khwaja sera, otherwise the latter would never have dare to speak up in that fashion.

Later, in the cases of Zaheer and Raja Takhatmal, Bairam Khan carries this arrogance too far, and sets himself up for his eventual fall.

Do sakhaaon ka rishta: To revert, the little scene that follows Jalal's outburst against Abdul is a true gem. It is really more like play-acting between the Shahehshah and his sakhaa - that lovely term used for Lord Krishna in the Mahabharata, by, who else, his sakhi Draupadi - than like a real attempt to threaten him, not to speak of punishing him.

Even with Jalal's khanjar at his throat, Abdul's eyes are alight with an impish glee as he explains that Jalal cannot kill him: Meri to jaan hi jayegi, par aap ki shaan.. Log kya kahenge, ki Shahehshah ne ek nihatte, kamzor apahij jo maar diya?

And as he listens to him, the anger, very likely fake anger, in Jalal's eyes gives way to amusement, as a reflection of the glee in Abdul's eyes creeps into his. The way in which he puts his hand behind Abdul's head and says, every syllable drawn out in open indulgence and affection: Nihatta apahij,, haan?, is a delight to behold.

A minute later too, as Abdul, unwilling to leave without having the last word, says to the khwaja sera in open raillery: Laga do is ghode par Wazir-e- Sultanat ki mohar. There is a slight frown in Jalal's eyes. But as he goes on, Kyonki pehchan ghode se nahin, uske sawaar se hoti hai.. Jalal smiles.

NB: True enough, for Bairam Khan rides, not with Jalal's easy grace, but rather as though a sack of potatoes had been loaded on to the unfortunate horse!

Abdul continues: Aur jis ghode par mere Shahenshah sawaari karenge, wo sabse behatareen kehlayega! Baki sab.. and a throwaway gesture of contempt..

And here the warmth of Jalal's smile is a wonder to behold. For it is not that he rates his Khan Baba and his wishes any less, it is rather that he rates Abdul's unshakeable loyalty even more.

It is this that lends to Abdul's closing, sotto voce lament a special poignancy: Khwahish rakhta hoon ki kash Bairam Khan ke mansoobe aapke saamne benaqaab hon, aur aap samajh payein ki hukumat bhale hi aapki rahi hai, par iske peeche usool hamesha se hi Bairam Khan ke hi chale hain. Would that he could have been there to see, and rejoice in this manshaa of his coming true at last!😭

Siyaasat ki seekh ?: There was nothing much here, except for a mini-rehash of the earlier nosh farmayiye bit 2 days earlier. What passes my understanding is how Sharifuddin, having barely survived that encounter, was idiotic enough to openly contradict the Shahenshah and blurt out : Siyaasat yeh kehti hai ki dushman par humla tab kiya jai jab wo akela ho..

But perhaps it was as well that he did so, for it gave us a chance to watch Jalal as he turns, eyes clear but cold, oh so cold, and ask Sharifuddin, in level tones : To ab siyaasat ki samajh humein tum se leni hogi? The menace that this question hid literally radiated out from him like a wave of biting cold. So much so that Sharifuddin, paralysed by sudden fear of his life, fell to his knees in abject apology.

As for Jalal's master plan of beheading all the Rajput Rajas after defeating them, in one fell sweep - with so much samay ki bachat!- it should have normally elicited the warm approval of his Khan Baba, the arch-exponent of sar kalamofying. However, it is not so, and of that tomorrow.

But for now, we leave Jalal already savouring the triumph he is sure will come - Na rahega sar, na rahega uska guroor- as he suddenly flings his khanjar over his shoulder and into the heart of the map of Rajasthan.

A bond to remember: I had not paid that much attention to the Sujamal-Jodha passages the first time, but now, I was enchanted by the depth of the protective affection between them which, on Jodha's side, is far stronger than that she has with any of her other brothers and cousins.

Not knowing how devious and hypocritical her father is, she is confident, far more than Sujamal, that he will be anointed the next king of Amer. This is perhaps partly wishful thinking, but it is genuine for all that. Thus when Mynavati speaks of a grand announcement at the gathering of princes, Jodha's eyes light up with delight, as she assumes that this will be about Sujamal being the heir. As she exclaims Hum jaante hai, the correct word to describe her face would be praphullit.

And when Mynavati notes that it could be about her, Jodha, the beautiful eyes are clouded with sudden puzzlement. Both expressions are very convincing.

Later, at the sabha, Jodha and Sujamal exchange glad glances of anticipation, but when the actual announcement comes, Jodha's face is as if a diya has suddenly been extinguished in the recesses of her soul.

The appeal of their scenes together is also because Sujamal looks every inch a Rajput prince. It is a pity that his role was so suddenly truncated.

Anyaypriya Ameradipati: Of Bharmal, his lies about having brought Sujamal up as a son, his total lack of an even weak rationale for his ditching the real heir to the throne that was his only as a caretaker (Sandhya, your Dhritarashtra parallel is valid here too!) to direct the succession to his own blood, the less said the better. So I shall not even try, except to note that Bharmal's siyaasat ki chaal rivals that of Jalal, and even Bairam Khan.

Bye till tomorrow, folks!

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jodha Akbar 4: Siyaasat ki chaal

Folks,


Tez dimaag aur shaatir wafadaari: This pretty much sums up Abdul, and the shaatir dimaag that never fails to light up his eyes at the oddest moments is such a delight that the fact of his subsequent and unexplained disappearance catches at my throat like a suppressed sob.

Missed Abdul so much later on. Such a gem of a companion for an Emperor whose loyalty, wit and candour exceed each other. Had Abdul stayed on, all the navratnas would have paled in comparison. Even Jodha begum perhaps. The actor who played Abdul has an easy smile and care for Jalal stamped on his face. He held his own in front of RT and their friendship could be felt through the screen.


He is that rare companion who cares for Jalal for his own sake, and rates his Shahenshah's well-being and his march to a place in history far more than his own position, even in Jalal's eyes. Such courtiers are rare, and are worth their weight in gold, for they hold a pitiless mirror up to the face of their sovereign, and speak the kadwa sach to him where no one else would dare to. Much later, there is Atgah Khan, who also speaks the truth to Jalal, but far more gently and in a far more roundabout way than Abdul, even if equally effectively.

Again, the actor who played Atgah was very soft and apt, but his dialogue delivery lacked modulation. While Abdul was engaging and interesting.😃


A void to be filled: But Jalal does, and Abdul can get away with such things because of the very strong bond of camaraderie, and trust, that they share. And this bond exists not only because Jalal understands and accepts plain speaking when he knows that it is honest and not due to some inner agenda. It exists as much because there is a void in Jalal's zehen, a void created by the absence of those who care, not for the Shahenshah, but for Jalal. And Abdul, who Jalal knows without any doubt is one such, fills this void to some extent.

Jalal knows for sure that Abdul speaks always to Jalal, the person and not the Emperor. He has always valued such people and this explains why he valued Jodha later on.


Do sakhaaon ka rishta: To revert, the little scene that follows Jalal's outburst against Abdul is a true gem. It is really more like play-acting between the Shahehshah and his sakhaa - that lovely term used for Lord Krishna in the Mahabharata, by, who else, his sakhi Draupadi - than like a real attempt to threaten him, not to speak of punishing him.

Jalal's face displayed anger but his eyes didn't. RT's magic had begun in full swing...🄳

Even with Jalal's khanjar at his throat, Abdul's eyes are alight with an impish glee as he explains that Jalal cannot kill him: Meri to jaan hi jayegi, par aap ki shaan.. Log kya kahenge, ki Shahehshah ne ek nihatte, kamzor apahij jo maar diya?

This also shows that Abdul knew his master and his thought-processes and behaviour very well. He knew what Jalal could and would do and what he will not. Sharifuddin in a similar situation will fall on his knees and plead for excuse of his gustakhi.

And as he listens to him, the anger, very likely fake anger, in Jalal's eyes gives way to amusement, as a reflection of the glee in Abdul's eyes creeps into his. The way in which he puts his hand behind Abdul's head and says, every syllable drawn out in open indulgence and affection: Nihatta apahij,, haan?, is a delight to behold.

RT magic...again.😳 The change of expression was magical and yes. The way Jalal puts his hands behind his head too. Little incidents as these show us the nicer aspects of Jalal, the way he values people who are good ( unlike bk who derived pleasure in using a new born baby of his wafaadar to prove a point) the way he values intelligence and truth... Jalal has it in him to hear kadwa sach too, which is imperative for a fine human being which he was.

A minute later too, as Abdul, unwilling to leave without having the last word, says to the khwaja sera in open raillery: Laga do is ghode par Wazir-e- Sultanat ki mohar. There is a slight frown in Jalal's eyes. But as he goes on, Kyonki pehchan ghode se nahin, uske sawaar se hoti hai.. Jalal smiles.

NB: True enough, for Bairam Khan rides, not with Jalal's easy grace, but rather as though a sack of potatoes had been loaded on to the unfortunate horse!

Abdul continues: Aur jis ghode par mere Shahenshah sawaari karenge, wo sabse behatareen kehlayega! Baki sab.. and a throwaway gesture of contempt..

And here the warmth of Jalal's smile is a wonder to behold. For it is not that he rates his Khan Baba and his wishes any less, it is rather that he rates Abdul's unshakeable loyalty even more.

šŸ‘. This is why we beg/demand/plead for your write ups aunty. You can put in words so eloquently what we feel and struggle to express.

It is this that lends to Abdul's closing, sotto voce lament a special poignancy: Khwahish rakhta hoon ki kash Bairam Khan ke mansoobe aapke saamne benaqaab hon, aur aap samajh payein ki hukumat bhale hi aapki rahi hai, par iske peeche usool hamesha se hi Bairam Khan ke hi chale hain. Would that he could have been there to see, and rejoice in this manshaa of his coming true at last!😭

😭


A bond to remember: Not knowing how devious and hypocritical her father is, she is confident, far more than Sujamal, that he will be anointed the next king of Amer. This is perhaps partly wishful thinking, but it is genuine for all that. Thus when Mynavati speaks of a grand announcement at the gathering of princes, Jodha's eyes light up with delight, as she assumes that this will be about Sujamal being the heir. As she exclaims Hum jaante hai, the correct word to describe her face would be praphullit.

And when Mynavati notes that it could be about her, Jodha, the beautiful eyes are clouded with sudden puzzlement. Both expressions are very convincing.

Later, at the sabha, Jodha and Sujamal exchange glad glances of anticipation, but when the actual announcement comes, Jodha's face is as if a diya has suddenly been extinguished in the recesses of her soul.

The appeal of their scenes together is also because Sujamal looks every inch a Rajput prince. It is a pity that his role was so suddenly truncated.

Esp when compared to BD who could beat anyone in his mono-expression.

Also Jodha seemed to be the only one who mattered to Sujamal in the whole family and understandably so as only she cared. BD almost seemed to expect his appointment as heir apparent. He wasn't bothered in the slightest that he was taking Sujamal's place. Jodha later on always had a feeling of slight guilt at Jalal's preferences of her over Ruqaiya and did her best to pacify Ruqaiya. But BD had not an ounce of that feeling. He was thoroughly a mini-teapot. 😔


Sujamal's bonding with Jodha was precious. His affection for her never reduced inspite of his enemity with the family. It explains the risk he took to warn Jodha of Bharmal's treachery and that Jalal was her groom and his foray as Kwaja Sera into the Agra palace for her sake.


Their scenes together were warm and touching.

Anyaypriya Ameradipati: Of Bharmal, his lies about having brought Sujamal up as a son, his total lack of an even weak rationale for his ditching the real heir to the throne that was his only as a caretaker (Sandhya, your Dhritarashtra parallel is valid here too!) to direct the succession to his own blood, the less said the better. So I shall not even try, except to note that Bharmal's siyaasat ki chaal rivals that of Jalal, and even Bairam Khan.


This man Bharmal has not even one unselfish bone in his body. Did he give a chance to Sujamal to decide who was the better of the two? How could he decide for himself that he was young and so would fight his fellow Rajput kings and bhang their unity.


If Rajput unity and pride was all that mattered to him why does he sneak out to trade his daughter and cut ties with the rest of his clan? What happened to his guroor and shaan then? Why not withstand everything and uphold his pride like MP? All he was bothered was his luxury and kingship. He was prepared to do anything to protect that. Trade Jodha, support Jalal ( as he was stronger) cheat the very Jalal in his youngest daughter's case, anything.


In case Jalal had lost hold and MP had taken over, surely this man would have forsaken his daughter and son-in-law and said that Maa Bhavani would know that he did it for Rajvanshi shaan and garv

😔

He reminds me of wormtail albeit a more devious one.

Bye till tomorrow, folks!

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di

Edited by Sandhya.A - 9 years ago
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THANKS FOR THE PM AUNTY


AND YET AGAIN, A BRILLIANT ANALYSIS


I TOO ENJOYED THE SCENE BETWEEN ABDUL AND JALAL. THEIR BOND IS ONE OF A KIND, WHERE JALAL IS ABLE TO LET DOWN HIS GUARD, ALBEIT A LITTLE BIT, WHILE WITH ABDUL, AND COMES CLOSEST TO BEING THE PERSON THAT HE IS. HOWEVER, AS YOU HAVE SAID IN THE PAST, DUE TO THE FEELINGS OF NEGLECT IN THE PAST, JALAL IS NEVER ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE THAT PERSON IN TOTO


ABDUL, ON THE OTHER HAND, HAS PRESUMABLY NEVER NURTURED FEELINGS OF NEGLECT, AND SHOWERS HIS AFFECTIONS ON JALAL WITH RECKLESS ABANDON. HIS CHILD LIKE ENTHUSIASM TO SEE JALAL'S WISHES GET FULFILLED IN THE BACKGROUND OF HIS UNWAVERING LOYALTY, IS ALL A PLEASURE TO SEE. HIS CONFIDENCE ON HIS FRIEND, HIS SHAHENSHAH, ACTUALLY BREAKS ALL BARRIERS AND BECOMES OVER CONFIDENCE - A BIT RECKLESS, BUT IT SURE KEEPS US VIEWERS COMPLETELY ENTHRALLED

BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER REALLY MAKE THE SCREEN COME ALIVE. AND SINCE I AM NEW RO TEAE EPISODES, I GET TO SEE A JALAL I HAVE NEVER SEEN


ANYWAYS, AFTER READING TODAY'S ANALYSIS, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ANSWER AND IT IS ABOUT THE FALL FROM GRACE OF KHAN BABA. I VAGUELY KNOW THAT IT WAS PARTLY COZ OF HIS OWN ACTIONS, PARTLY COZ OF SAAZISH BY MAHAM ANGA AND PARTLY COZ OF JALAL GROWING UP OR GROWING OUT OF HIS SHADOW.


BUT KHAN BABA WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN SETTING UP THE EMPIRE AFTER HUMAYUN'S DEATH. HE NEITHER LACKED TE BRAINS NOR THE BRAWN. WHY THEN DID HE ALLOW HIMSELF TO FALL FROM GRACE THUS? HOW DID HE NOT SEE THE LIKES OF MAHAM USURPING HIS POSITION?


SECOND ONE IS WHEN THERE IS SUCH A STRONG BOND BETWEEN SUJAMAL AND JODHA, THEN WHY DOES EVER NOT THINK OF HIM AS A SUITABLE CONTENDER TO GET HER THE COVETED JALAL KA SAR? WHY IS SHE LOOKING FOR A SUITOR TO DO THE HONORS? SHE ADORES HIM, AND FEELS HE IS THE CONSUMMATE YODDHA,BUT YET NEVER OCE URGES HIM TO DO TE NEEDFUL. WHY?
Edited by Sabdabhala - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shyamala Aunty...
You are not going to believe this...there is a post on our current cc where I have used exactly the same words...šŸ˜†

" Ameradhipati NYAY priy Raja Bharmal padhaar rahein hain...NYAY priy my foot 😔"

Brilliant post Aunty...as usual agree with most of your views...

But I beg to differ on one point...I didn't like Jalal's behaviour with that married woman...I didn't like it at all...there is no justification for a king to behave like this with his subjects...period.
Edited by ---Khushi--- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Thanks for another great analysis Aunty!

Jalal-Abdul: The relationship between these two is just too adorable. He does not mince words or sugarcoat them. That is what Jalal likes and respects about him. Poor Jalal, Abdul is probaby the only "friend" he has. I like how Abdul always has this amused smirk on his face. The actor playing him is good and cute too.😊
Did you notice how he just irritably shoved Zaheer's hand aside as the latter tried to prevent him from going near Jalal?

The issue with BK's KS and Sharifuddin is on similar lines. As long as BK plays such an active role in court, no one is going to take Jalal seriously. They all think that he still a little boy who needs hand holding.

Jodha-Sujamal: I loved the way their relationship has been shown. All their scenes have so much love and warmth. Right before he walked out of the sabha he turns around and looks up to where Jodha is with sadness and then turns right back with a look of anger and disgust towards Bhagwandas. Both Jo and Suj are emotional and passionate, no wonder they understand each other. But Suj is hotheaded too so that will be get him in trouble.

Bharmal and Bhagwandas: I was disappointed with both today. Bharmal: for the reasons you've already written. Bhagwandas: for the discreet nod he gives Sangram Singh to get rid of Suj.😔

Sisterly Bonding: I have to put in a few words about the sweet bond that the three sisters share. Just love their bickering and teasing. Maybe because I don't have a sister of my own😭

What I found hilarious: Mainawati's obsession about Jo's marriage.šŸ˜†šŸ˜† Sujamal gaya toh gaya, Jodha ki shaadi ka kya??? I like it! Never lose sight of your goal, come what mayšŸ‘šŸ¼

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Shyamala Aunty...

You are not going to believe this...there is a post on our current cc where I have used exactly the same words...šŸ˜†

" Ameradhipati NYAY priy Raja Bharmal padhaar rahein hain...NYAY priy my foot 😔"

Brilliant post Aunty...as usual agree with most of your views...

But I beg to differ on one point...I didn't like Jalal's behaviour with that married woman...I didn't like it at all...there is no justification for a king to behave like this with his subjects...period.


It was an experiment to break their pride Khush. Had he killed that man, he would have become a hero for the lady. But the lady can never truly love that husband of hers.

While experimenting you can't always be honourable. You may have to ill treat your guinea pigs.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Wow Sandhya! I liked your analysis almost as much as Aunty's today.šŸ‘šŸ‘
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


It was an experiment to break their pride Khush. Had he killed that man, he would have become a hero for the lady. But the lady can never truly love that husband of hers.

While experimenting you can't always be honourable. You may have to ill treat your guinea pigs.


I wouldn't term it as experimenting, Sands...its more like being a bully...it was very evident that he was trying to score brownie points from his Khan Baba...this behaviour is basically against Jalal's inherent nature...

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