Writers' mind and Audience's reaction

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Posted: 10 years ago
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First of all, MK is a unique show where the script is locked and not changed to suit audience's feedback. Thank god for that.

The makers strongly feel they have a story to tell and that they can tell it convincingly. Thank God for that again.

This show draws a lot from Samudra Manthan, Garuda-Naga rivalry etc and is tempting us to compare every situation with a mythological standpoint. And philosophical standpoint too(but this one is subjective).

Writer creates and the audience analyzes. More than that it reacts by expressing opinion.

Opinion is personal and there is nothing right or wrong in it. Analysis? Well, we never know if it's the right one. And if it is going to match the writer's. But analysis does throw up some interesting facts n arguments.

I am writing this to make some points I observed. I have never done writing 101 course or anything remotely connected. But here goes.

Writer builds and takes care of developing all characters. And their nuances. For him, each is important. He pits one against other and develops it. Almost to a crescendo or a flash point.

For example, dadi - Shiva duel. A great debate. Each time it came, we discussed a lot. Writers want this. But audience always wants closure and preferably suited to their viewpoint and quickly. They say how long. How much more.

Like I said earlier, if they bring quick and complete closure to situations we won't have a serial. It will be like 'katte kotte techhe'( katte- Rama built the bridge, kotte - he hit ravana,techhe- he brought back sita). And we don't have closure for many things in life but expect it on screen.

I am sad that dadi-shiva duel ended.

There is one more aspect. Maya. The lady. What does she symbolize? Vidya Maya or Avidya Maya? Or is she just a girl and writer is playing games on us with her name?

We might know the answer much later. Or this could be left open to interpretation.

How does one recognize his bigger purpose in life. Just like that? Or should the mind be prepared and ready to understand? Or through a Guru? It's usually a combination of all. Here, none of these happened. Was Rudra more worried about his near n dear ones? Yes. Anything wrong? No(subjective again) So the responsibility fell on 'kaal' itself. Where it opened his eyes through dadi who in turn opened hers through this massacre?

If this incident didn't happen, would it have been another dramatic incident? Me thinks so. There are many ways to get there. A writer's way is usually one that delivers maximum drama, shock value and develops many characters in that process?


All the above are very subjective. But we seem to have agreed on some things that looked very obvious. Like these(but not limited to)

How did Rudra suddenly turn into a state where he was unable to focus without Maya. Did we miss anything? (once he persisted, I went along with Rudra and was convinced of his love)

Why was Ganga brought in for few episodes and only made to cry with hardly anything to say? Waste of talent?

The massacre-- on an 8pm show? Garudas are drawn from mythology but Nagas looked like terrorists.

Reality--- is being very selectively used. When the shav vahan(very cheeky name.not good) goes off u see people. When it came, u saw people. But not when Rudra came. Punnu ran all the way but no one noticed. No cctv monitoring. No medical aid for Punnu even after charles makes that call.

Why should there be room for these questions?

All said and done, writer's mind works so differently. For him/her, character-development and plot are important more than what is right or wrong way to get where he wants to go. Imho.

Please post your comments on what you think about writing.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Santhi, you have raised very relevant issues. These are the issues that are bothering all the viewers.
I think in this show, the loop holes bother us more than other shows, because expectations are higher.

So, there are two points that you have raised - one of context and the other or execution.

The first point that of context -

The whole Dadi shiva conflict, or the appearnce of ganga - how'd she get there? Why was she waiting so close to home in the ashram? Why was she kept alive and then killed?

What was the reason of the rivalry of the panths? How did Grerson and Veshes first connect?

Who are these nagas? What is the source of their power, what has Dansh got against Rudra and family? Why did they attack?

All these questions are simply not dealt with. The script passes over crucial points and yet lingers over others longer than needed- the Rudra Maya romance, Shivas gps, etc.


The second is the execution - even though it's a mythological, it's placed in the "normal" world, so that must be factored in during execution.
the absence of any reaction from people on the road, the absence of any law and order enforcement, the fact that no one thought of rushing punnu to the hospital and saving his life, the fact that the families of the other panthis lying dead were were not around,

Earlier we had seen a control room always manned and busy, but now no one has any idea that so much has happened till DM asks for the footage.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Arshics

Santhi, you have raised very relevant issues. These are the issues that are bothering all the viewers.

I think in this show, the loop holes bother us more than other shows, because expectations are higher.

So, there are two points that you have raised - one of context and the other or execution.

The first point that of context -

The whole Dadi shiva conflict, or the appearnce of ganga - how'd she get there? Why was she waiting so close to home in the ashram? Why was she kept alive and then killed?

What was the reason of the rivalry of the panths? How did Grerson and Veshes first connect?

Who are these nagas? What is the source of their power, what has Dansh got against Rudra and family? Why did they attack?

All these questions are simply not dealt with. The script passes over crucial points and yet lingers over others longer than needed- the Rudra Maya romance, Shivas gps, etc.


The second is the execution - even though it's a mythological, it's placed in the "normal" world, so that must be factored in during execution.
the absence of any reaction from people on the road, the absence of any law and order enforcement, the fact that no one thought of rushing punnu to the hospital and saving his life, the fact that the families of the other panthis lying dead were were not around,

Earlier we had seen a control room always manned and busy, but now no one has any idea that so much has happened till DM asks for the footage.



Arshi, I agree on the expectations part. We do have high expectations. And also on the one in bold. Some parts were shown over and over with nothing new.

Remember, you liked the 'massacre-wala' episode and I didn't. Now I feel I'm ok with the shock but not the execution and other questions I raised. You looked at the big picture(like the writer).

I think dadi-shiva's and Maya's past were shown but not Ganga's. Naga's and Dansh's will be dealt with in future I guess. 60 episodes still remain.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very valid points raised by you and Arshi.

We may never know what the Writers have in mind, unless they give proper & meaningful closure. Remember how much was discussed about how Rudra would save Maya from the poison, become Neelkanth etc.. yahan tho kuch aur hi hogaya. Maya ko Neelkanthini bana diya who is holding the poison and living because of Rudra's love? To be answered in Season 2

At the end of 60 episodes we are left with so many unanswered questions and yet more puzzles are being added. In MK so far many things were explained and exposed to us quite soon, but all the questions which Arshi has raised, which I think are part of the main plot have been left for the second season I guess. I hope this sudden need for the love story, the marriage of Rudra-Maya, the poisoning etc is also addressed.

It is a mix of mythology and modern day so Nagas looking the way they are is ok, carrying guns is also ok but as you both pointed out there should have been reaction from the people around. Its ok to say that such things are happening around the world but everyone around is not a mute spectator. And then, so many people sitting in front of the CCTV monitors, what are they doing?

And we don't have closure for many things in life but expect it on screen.

But that is what viewers expect from TV shows or movies. To see something that we don't see in real life (perfect life, perfect family, happy world etc. etc.). If it is Ramayan, Mahabharat, Mahadev etc. we don't expect that because the story can't be changed. In such shows/dramas we expect it. And as Daadi said 'jab tak sukhant nahin hota woh anth nahin hota' (something like that)



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Santhi,
When I say shiva Dadi story was not shown, I was talking about Dadi's part where she said that shiva was right this is not Mahakumbh, this is Maha kaal.

I had thought that the conflict was between shiva sharing the secret of the Kund and thus inviting danger, vis a vis, Dadi wanting to keep it in the family.

That shiva had warned Dadi about the danger, but she thought he was exaggerating did not become clear to me earlier.

Mayas back story and her mother's story of course can come later!


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: appukrish


Very valid points raised by you and Arshi.

We may never know what the Writers have in mind, unless they give proper & meaningful closure. Remember how much was discussed about how Rudra would save Maya from the poison, become Neelkanth etc.. yahan tho kuch aur hi hogaya. Maya ko Neelkanthini bana diya who is holding the poison and living because of Rudra's love? To be answered in Season 2

At the end of 60 episodes we are left with so many unanswered questions and yet more puzzles are being added. In MK so far many things were explained and exposed to us quite soon, but all the questions which Arshi has raised, which I think are part of the main plot have been left for the second season I guess. I hope this sudden need for the love story, the marriage of Rudra-Maya, the poisoning etc is also addressed.

It is a mix of mythology and modern day so Nagas looking the way they are is ok, carrying guns is also ok but as you both pointed out there should have been reaction from the people around. Its ok to say that such things are happening around the world but everyone around is not a mute spectator. And then, so many people sitting in front of the CCTV monitors, what are they doing?

And we don't have closure for many things in life but expect it on screen.

But that is what viewers expect from TV shows or movies. To see something that we don't see in real life (perfect life, perfect family, happy world etc. etc.). If it is Ramayan, Mahabharat, Mahadev etc. we don't expect that because the story can't be changed. In such shows/dramas we expect it. And as Daadi said 'jab tak sukhant nahin hota woh anth nahin hota' (something like that)



Thats why I also said that closure doesnt come so easily even on screen. Audience tends to ask for quick closure. If there is a logical closure to each small track its sometimes hard to take the story forward.
Sukhaant hoga aur jab tak nahin hoga tab tak ant nahin. par kab hoga? yun hi itni jaldi mein nahin.
Maya is holding poison and they said she will die a slow death. Regarding the Neelkanth theory, well that was our analysis. We were preempting and analyzing too much. So our analysis is wrong as it doesn't match the writer's. But our opinion on various points you raised in this and many threads cannot be wrong.
Edited by pasumarthisa - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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This is in the writer's defence 😆
In Mahabharat, when Guru Dron was teaching Archery to Pandavas & Kauravas, there was a famous incident. He wanted his students to hit the bird with the arrow. He asked each one to look at the target. All were asked 1 question. Tell me, what can you see?
All answered differently. Bheem could see fruits on that tree too. One saw the entire tree, other one leaves along with the wooden bird. Only Arjun said, he sees only the bird's eye. Dron asked him to hit the bird's eye.
Viewers are like these students. Everyone has a different thought pattern, knowledge, circumstances, level of patience. Please remember, writer is trying to tell a story. He is not preaching. If he was preaching believe me, it would get quite boring after a pt.
He is telling a story, director is trying to bring it to life & we are seeing their end product.
As a result we are coming out with different perspective of the same scene. It's it interesting?
There is fun in doing R & D to know, understand more instead of writer just making it as a preaching epi. I've seen same writer's preaching in a differents show. It kills the flow of the story, making it boring.
But one drawback is there in his writing, in crucial stages or when story requires a higher level of message to be conveyed he doesn't deliver. May be its' to be understood later but some viewers can feel let down at that time. If this pt is taken care of then we may see a good product delivery.
Edited by mnx12 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

This is in the writer's defence 😆
In Mahabharat, when Guru Dron was teaching Archery to Pandavas & Kauravas, there was a famous incident. He wanted his students to hit the bird with the arrow. He asked each one to look at the target. All were asked 1 question, tell me, what can you see?
All answered differently. Bheem could see fruits on that tree too. One saw the entire tree, other one leaves along with the wooden bird. Only Arju said, he sees only the bird's eye. Dron asked him to hit target.
Viewers are like these students. Everyone has a different thought pattern,
knowledge, circumstances, level of patience. Please remember, writer is trying to tell a story. He is not preaching. If he was preaching believe me, it would get quite boring after a pt.
He is telling a story, director is trying to bring it to life & we are seeing their end product.
As a result we are coming out with different perspective of the same scene. It's it interesting?
There is fun in doing R & D to know, understand more instead of writer just making it as a preaching epi. I've seen same writer's preaching in a differents show. It kills the flow of the story, making it boring.
But one drawback is there in his writing, in crucial stages or when story requires a higher level of message to be conveyed he doesn't deliver. May be its' to be understood later but some viewers can feel let down. If this pt is taken care of then we may see a good product delivery.


It's not in this writer's defence. And I agree on many points. I already pointed that analysis is interesting but futile sometimes. Like we are(myself included) guessing and looking for a particular outcome and disappointed.

TV is primarily a writers medium. Its his/her pov.

And there is a difference between analysis and opinion. Opinion can be strong. What writer wants to show is being interpreted differently by different people. But if we take it to the next level and analyze, we are in for disappointment.

I didn't like this track at all. Still don't. Openly gave a thumbs down.
Edited by pasumarthisa - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa


It's not in this writer's defence. And I agree on many points. I already pointed that analysis is interesting but futile sometimes. Like we are(myself included) guessing and looking for a particular outcome and disappointed.

TV is primarily a writers medium. Its his/her pov.

And there is a difference between analysis and opinion. Opinion can be strong. What writer wants to show is being interpreted differently by different people. But if we take it to the next level and analyze, we are in for disappointment.

I didn't like this track at all. Still don't. Openly gave a thumbs down.


I never expect anything while watching. But if the concept is strong & writer has raised the expectation then there is nothing wrong in expecting some good quality work.
It's definately a writer's medium but it's viewer's who watch it, they can express their views, expectations. Some from the PH & channel do visit this site to know viewer's reaction. I've seen some pts being implemented too in my last forum & we were pleasantly surprised.
If the concept is strong it's worth taking it to the next level. Viewer's are intelligent, some are well read. MK is a Mytho fiction, so relating simillarity, finding out how & why from Purana's story is quite obvious. It shows our interest, involvement after all we are investing our time in the show. It's been a learning experince too. So not compromising in quality is quite natural.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12


I never expect anything while watching. But if the concept is strong & writer has raised the expectation then there is nothing wrong in expecting some good quality work.
It's definately a writer's medium but it's viewer's who watch it, they can express their views, expectations. Some from the PH & channel do visit this site to know viewer's reaction. I've seen some pts being implemented too in my last forum & we were pleasantly surprised.
If the concept is strong it's worth taking it to the next level. Viewer's are intelligent, some are well read. MK is a Mytho fiction, so relating simillarity, finding out how & why from Purana's story is quite obvious. It shows our interest, involvement after all we are investing our time in the show. It's been a learning experince too. So not compromising in quality is quite natural.


I've seen writers taking my lines and use as dialogues on couple of instances. But glad that its not happening in this show. The script is locked.

I was only making observations on how writers think vs audience. They tend to leave holes so that they can use later. But it all boils down to whether we like it or not.

I agree that we love to analyze. Dont we all?

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