Death and Immortality - Page 4

Originally posted by: happychappy

Since somebody brought Hitler and Gandhi into the discussion, I have to mention this:

As we see in Mahabharat, good people also go wrong, either by force of circumstances, or because of human frailties. Sometimes Good & Evil are themselves mutable - nothing is constant or achyut/immutable.

On January 28 which is Holocaust Remembrance Day, Poland invited Israeli fighter aircraft to fly over Auschwitz. Which, considering the present moral(!) position of Israeli military is an astoundingly insensitive kind of gesture. It's as if the Poles are stuck with a Good/Evil status that is 70 years out-of-date.

Originally posted by: appukrish

Nice discussion here about immortality, Gandhi-Hitler, karma, dharma etc..

Immortal is the soul which moves from one mortal body to another when death occurs.

Through the process of evolution we finally take human form, who has a mind and can differentiate between right and wrong, good and bad etc. Evil and good has to exist because this is a world of dvandas or duality and has opposites.

Evil and good is a state of mind and has nothing to do with mortality or immortality. are Gandhi & Hitler immortal? I think no. They are remembered because of their deeds and the difference they made in the world, good or bad, just like our Avatars. Their life, their deeds help us to think and make the right choice. Right choice may not be a virtuous one. My belief of right and may not be the same as yours. Everyone is driven by their karmas & desires whatever they may be.

Nanu and people like him may desire immortality and get it too, but what makes it wrong is achieving it at the cost of destroying everything and everyone around you.

Our deeds will be remembered but won't make us immortal.

Originally posted by: Arshics

Aparna, that's why we are taking a difefrent take on immortality. For Rudra, his moral dilemmas, his moments of doubts are solved even now by Maimui. he gave Maya a chance because of maimui.

He still remembers her and turns to her for solace. That means she is there for him, still. That's a kind of immortality isn't it? that of thoughts, deeds.

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

There has been a lot of interesting discussion here.

In our tradition, there is a word for dead people. Keertisesha. Meaning only their fame is sesha or left behind or remained. Body isn't.

The kind of immortality Devesh n Co want is physical. They want their soul to remain in their current body. Which is stupid. And Rudra's dadaji doesn't believe in that. Even if you do good deeds, your immortality is till the person who remembers you is alive. And at best it's carried on. There comes the phrase 'jab tak suraj chand rahenge'. So there is a limit.

There is a Shloka that says if u do punya you reach heaven. And you will stay there till the punya phala is not over. Once it's over, it's back to square one into the cycle of birth n death.

Soul is limitless and the real Amrit is the knowledge and realization(more than the knowledge) that the soul is limitless.