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Originally posted by: Arshics

Death and Immortality

Yesterday's episode for me was the best episode so far,

and that was because it was the episode that came closest to answering the question that is the theme of the show

what is death and what is immortality?

I titled it bavandar - partly because to show Rudra's state of mind, but partly to show mine...


And because some things that happened yesterday have been haunting me, I decided to make a second post.


The question was answered by the interchange between the two extreme men in the story

Rudra - the rustic boy who grew up among the dead, who at best has rudimentary education, and who has a long life ahead of him

as opposed to our 3rd law of newton spouting Nanu, who seeks immortality, and he has lived his life.


Life for Nanu is to be considered good in public eyes, and in the privacy of his own home, he can be as vile as possible

He wants immortality for his body, his souls died long long ago

He is angry with maya and her mother for they tarnished the holy image of the panth

yet his own actions are what are actually demonic

Nanu seeks immortality of the body, and that will never be his, and Rudra will ensure that


Yet Rudra has understood what is the true meaning of death for these Vesh men

His words - I would have killed you, had you been alive - to Animesh

And - I could end this now by killing you, that will let you off easilybut I have to expose you first, that will be a life worse than death.


We also got to understand the meaning of immortality through Maimui and Dada

For Maimui her end was not herdeath, it was a way to be reunited with her husband

Her only "fear" of dying was Rudra and so she firmly placed Maya in his life

Maimui has not died, for Rudra she will never die, she lives on his smile, in his values and in his feelings for Maya

Dada chose to die, though he need not have, but he still lives on

In dadi's thoughts, in her desire to follow his wish, in her beliefs of doing her dharma...

So, immortality of mortal flesh, is not something to be aspired or desired

for to live a life of shame and falsehood is death

and to die the death of a hero is to live forever (in the minds and hearts of others)

Immortality has to be of thoughts, ideas and actions, not of the body!!!!

That is the true theme of Mahakumbh I think...

Originally posted by: mnx12

Immortality is practically possible provided some conditions applied.
There are 7 chakras in our body. Between 6th & 7th chakra, there is a place which gets activated during higher meditation resulting in drop of nectar which is sweet in taste. This nectar cures our body from ailments. Highly advanced yogi can choose to be in this region, that expands his life span, it's said to give immortality too. But one has to work hard. Many yogis know this path but they choose path of liberation instead of being immortal.
What Bali, Dali & Secret society people want is being immortal without hard work. Or working in the direction to grab the Amrit kumbh, when it appears. They have Vish (poison) in their mind.
Rudra has Mrityunjay yantra along with Garuda sign. He has capacity to bear & fight Vish.
Shivanad's sign has Bala yantra- a Shakti yantra, which indicates knowledge, study. He has done a research work. Charles & Tiwari has just Garud sign on left & right shoulder. They may play their role accordingly.
Amrit & Vish are mental conditions too. One gets Amrit after lots of Manthan in life.

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Arshics MK is so related to the story of 3 brothers in Harry Potter, where the elder brother ask for something so that he cannot be defeated. He gets the elder wand, yet he gets killed. Second brother asks for the stone to bring back people who have died. He brings back the dead, but the dead is not comfortable in the living space. He goes mad and dies. 3rd brother ask death to give him something so that death cannot follow him without his knowing. He gets the invisibility cloak. The 3rd brother lives a good life, have a family, does good for the society and in his old age willingly go to meet death. In other ways he understands the real meaning of life and death. So even when 3rd brother dies he becomes the real victor.

Amrit is something like Elder wand to me. Something Nanu and co wants to possess. Something even Shiva wants to protect. It gives immortality to body, but not to soul. But there is a saying Harry Potter " Wand chooses the wizard" and not vica versa. So Amrit will decide in whose hands it should end up. It will only come in the hand of the person who knows the right use of it.

The invisiblity cloak in MK can mean the love of dear and near ones. I mean love cannot be seen, it can only be felt and it is that love that gives actual protection to Rudra. We can see the connect he establishes with every individual he cares about. He loves all of them deeply and cares for all of them deeply too. Whether it is his parents, udiya baba, maimui, dadi, maya, even sahadev and Charles.

A life lived without experiencing the love of near and dear ones in search of immortality is not worth living. Because as you rightly said it is in the heart of your loved ones, in the thoughts of your loved ones, in the action of your loved ones you live long after you are gone. And love is the only way to gain immortality. But to get love , you have to first give it.

That shradh scene in tue epi clearly symbolizes it. Maimui who didn't give birth to a child, yet she is fortunate enough that Rudra is doing post death rituals for her as if doing for his own mom. Without having a blood relation she got immortality. That's because she gave love to an orphan and brought him up as her own.

Originally posted by: Arshics

So, immortality of mortal flesh, is not something to be aspired or desired

for to live a life of shame and falsehood is death

and to die the death of a hero is to live forever

Immortality has to be of thoughts, ideas and actions, not of the body!!!!

Originally posted by: sp108

Arshi, but don't you think evil is as immortal as good. Hitler lives today as much as Gandhi, though obviously remembered in different ways. But the point is both live on.

Sometimes, I feel achieving immortality is a personal journey. You know about it and your God knows about it. Name, fame, legacy et.al - nothing at all matters then.

Originally posted by: Arshics

Fantastic point raised by you on evil being as immortal as good.

That's why immortality is a curse as much as it is a boon.

One, evil and good will always co-exist, good I feel needs evil, as much as evil needs good.

Two, evil must be remembered if we are not to repeat the mistakes of our past

So, yes, evil will be as immortal as good, and will teach us as much, and maybe more than good.

I also agree with life always being a personal journey! As for immortality, those who work for it are not necessarily the ones who get.

Those who live by their beliefs and do their karma, get it.

Nanu has lost 24 fruitful years of his life in hiding, 24 years when he was younger fitter, abler!

Now even if he gets longevity, what joy will it bring to him? His younger son is dead( as per precap), the granddaughter has no respect for him anymore, Balivesh too may doe, sacrificed at the altar of his fathers greed, of what use is such longevity

Shruthi and Shyamala have already written beautifully about this...

Originally posted by: sp108

I agree, but sort of disagree on the part in bold. If you don't seek it, you don't get it. Just like knowledge. For example - Dadi believes in accepting whatever is given without probing the why's and how's. But not Shivanand. He seeks, and comes to know the real purpose of his life. In that he sees the complete truth which is obscured from Dadi as she does not want to seek but only maintain status-quo. And evolution is not about maintaining status-quo, it is about movement to a higher plane for which you need seeking, you need to work things out.