Death and Immortality

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Death and Immortality


Yesterday's episode for me was the best episode so far,

and that was because it was the episode that came closest to answering the question that is the theme of the show

what is death and what is immortality?

I titled it bavandar - partly because to show Rudra's state of mind, but partly to show mine...


And because some things that happened yesterday have been haunting me, I decided to make a second post.


The question was answered by the interchange between the two extreme men in the story

Rudra - the rustic boy who grew up among the dead, who at best has rudimentary education, and who has a long life ahead of him

as opposed to our 3rd law of newton spouting Nanu, who seeks immortality, and he has lived his life.


Life for Nanu is to be considered good in public eyes, and in the privacy of his own home, he can be as vile as possible

He wants immortality for his body, his souls died long long ago

He is angry with maya and her mother for they tarnished the holy image of the panth

yet his own actions are what are actually demonic

Nanu seeks immortality of the body, and that will never be his, and Rudra will ensure that


Yet Rudra has understood what is the true meaning of death for these Vesh men

His words - I would have killed you, had you been alive - to Animesh

And - I could end this now by killing you, that will let you off easilybut I have to expose you first, that will

be a life worse than death.


We also got to understand the meaning of immortality through Maimui and Dada

For Maimui her end was not herdeath, it was a way to be reunited with her husband

Her only "fear" of dying was Rudra and so she firmly placed Maya in his life

Maimui has not died, for Rudra she will never die, she lives on his smile, in his values and in his feelings for Maya


Dada chose to die, though he need not have, but he still lives on

In dadi's thoughts, in her desire to follow his wish, in her beliefs of doing her dharma...



So, immortality of mortal flesh, is not something to be aspired or desired

for to live a life of shame and falsehood is death

and to die the death of a hero is to live forever

Immortality has to be of thoughts, ideas and actions, not of the body!!!!



That is the true theme of Mahakumbh I think...

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Posted: 10 years ago
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U nailed it Arshi ji "Immortality has to be of thoughts, ideas and actions, not of the body" the very reason y Dada said no to amrit on his death bed. Rudra's family is the of custodion of this Amrit vish,just becoz they understand the true meaning of life n death.




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Posted: 10 years ago
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yes, i agree with you, even ashwatthama is immortal, kya mahaantaa hain amar hone mein? par kya karein, har koi toh rudra ke dada ji nahi hote.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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U.ARE.BRILLIANT.

I feel u've deciphered the actual motive of this show...and now,all we do is,watch it unfold...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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You are Too Good, Arshi...🤗
Now be a good girl and tweet this to Mr Babbal... He should know that he also has viewers ( well, at least One😉) who are properly appreciating his show!!!!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Arshics MK is so related to the story of 3 brothers in Harry Potter, where the elder brother ask for something so that he cannot be defeated. He gets the elder wand, yet he gets killed. Second brother asks for the stone to bring back people who have died. He brings back the dead, but the dead is not comfortable in the living space. He goes mad and dies. 3rd brother ask death to give him something so that death cannot follow him without his knowing. He gets the invisibility cloak. The 3rd brother lives a good life, have a family, does good for the society and in his old age willingly go to meet death. In other ways he understands the real meaning of life and death. So even when 3rd brother dies he becomes the real victor.
Amrit is something like Elder wand to me. Something Nanu and co wants to possess. Something even Shiva wants to protect. It gives immortality to body, but not to soul. But there is a saying Harry Potter " Wand chooses the wizard" and not vica versa. So Amrit will decide in whose hands it should end up. It will only come in the hand of the person who knows the right use of it.
The invisiblity cloak in MK can mean the love of dear and near ones. I mean love cannot be seen, it can only be felt and it is that love that gives actual protection to Rudra. We can see the connect he establishes with every individual he cares about. He loves all of them deeply and cares for all of them deeply too. Whether it is his parents, udiya baba, maimui, dadi, maya, even sahadev and Charles.
A life lived without experiencing the love of near and dear ones in search of immortality is not worth living. Because as you rightly said it is in the heart of your loved ones, in the thoughts of your loved ones, in the action of your loved ones you live long after you are gone. And love is the only way to gain immortality. But to get love , you have to first give it.
That shradh scene in tue epi clearly symbolizes it. Maimui who didn't give birth to a child, yet she is fortunate enough that Rudra is doing post death rituals for her as if doing for his own mom. Without having a blood relation she got immortality. That's because she gave love to an orphan and bought him up as her own.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I read your posts sometimes to understand what was said on the show. The high flown language sometimes eludes me. I do understand most of the Sanskrit parts, but sometimes it is too out there for me.I am not from India, so I only know Hindi through learning it from these shows mostly, and I used to watch BW movies. Not anymore.

Animesh...is that the younger brother? I don't recall R telling him "I would kill you if you were not already dead?". What is the name of the grandad? Balivesh is the swamiji. Srisanth...is that their family name? How ironic. Nothing saintly about these men at all. They are vile demons!


When Nanu said "Panth" does he mean their family? Hamara Panth? I sometimes have to watch it twice to listen to the dialogues. I loved Maya's letter though. "Pyaar Sacha tha, par Maya Jooti thi!"


As for the immortality debate...yes those vile men want to live forever. Well they want their bodies to live forever, when their soul is already dead. Men like the Srisanth crowd, and Grearson. But what I want to know is what Balivesh is thinking? He said he found a way to combat the power of the Garud? Wonder what it is?


This story is SO interesting, I am loving it!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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immortality...who wants to live forever.. thats a curse in my opinion
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Immortality is practically possible provided some conditions applied.
There are 7 chakras in our body. Between 6th & 7th chakra, there is a place which gets activated during higher meditation resulting in drop of nectar which is sweet in taste. This nectar cures our body from ailments. Highly advanced yogi can choose to be in this region, that expands his life span, it's said to give immortality too. But one has to work hard. Many yogis know this path but they choose path of liberation instead of being immortal.
What Bali, Dali & Secret society people want is being immortal without hard work. Or working in the direction to grab the Amrit kumbh, when it appears. They have Vish (poison) in their mind.
Rudra has Mrityunjay yantra along with Garuda sign. He has capacity to bear & fight Vish.
Shivanad's sign has Bala yantra- a Shakti yantra, which indicates knowledge, study. He has done a research work. Charles & Tiwari has just Garud sign on left & right shoulder. They may play their role accordingly.
Amrit & Vish are mental conditions too. One gets Amrit after lots of Manthan in life.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan

I read your posts sometimes to understand what was said on the show. The high flown language sometimes eludes me. I do understand most of the Sanskrit parts, but sometimes it is too out there for me.I am not from India, so I only know Hindi through learning it from these shows mostly, and I used to watch BW movies. Not anymore.

Animesh...is that the younger brother? I don't recall R telling him "I would kill you if you were not already dead?". What is the name of the grandad? Balivesh is the swamiji. Srisanth...is that their family name? How ironic. Nothing saintly about these men at all. They are vile demons!


When Nanu said "Panth" does he mean their family? Hamara Panth? I sometimes have to watch it twice to listen to the dialogues. I loved Maya's letter though. "Pyaar Sacha tha, par Maya Jooti thi!"


As for the immortality debate...yes those vile men want to live forever. Well they want their bodies to live forever, when their soul is already dead. Men like the Srisanth crowd, and Grearson. But what I want to know is what Balivesh is thinking? He said he found a way to combat the power of the Garud? Wonder what it is?


This story is SO interesting, I am loving it!



So am I

I am glad that you are able to follow the show better and your hindi is improving.

Anytime you need anything translated, just drop me a PM, or just pose the question on the thread like now.

Yes, Animesh is the name of the younger brother. After Rudra had defeated him, and hence humiliated him publicly, Animesh asked Rudra to kill him

That's when Rudra replied, "maar deta agar tu zinda hota toh"



Panth - is a religious sect, or a group.A point I want to make here

The Panth of Dalvesh is called Shree Sant Panth - Mr Saint, if I were to translate it loosly.

Shree is a tilte given by others, and that's what this family wants actually, external respect.

The Panth of Rudra's dada was called Dharma Nishtha panth - Allegience to Dharma - that means they are focused on inetrnal duty and dharma


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