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Posted: 10 years ago
People explode around you and you are the one named Gubbara. Hmmm...
Edited by souro - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Souro, I believe we are digressing from the main topic but before we wrap it up, I would like to dissect this quote of yours:

Originally posted by: souro


The transition has to be well planned to ensure minimum resistance, which would require either peacefully or by force to gradually remove all top level administrators from the other religions who might have any control over the army or police.



I haven't seen any official headcount for Muslims in the Indian army. But we do know that there were some prominent names such as Air Chief Marshal Idris Hasan Latif. There were also Muslims who won Param Vishisht Seva Medal, Vishisht Seva Medal, Param Vir Chakra, Maha Vir Chakra, Kirti Chakra and similar honors. How would you "peacefully or by force" remove officers such as these, who would very likely be in service at the time you decide to implement your plan, from duty? How would you force out a president like Abdul Kalam? How would you stop a would-be Abdul Kalam from become the president? How would you stop Muslims from taking and cracking UPSC exams to become IAS/IPS officers? How would you stop them from getting promoted to IAS/IPS positions from the state civil services based on seniority and performance?

Forget ethics and morals for a second. On what legal grounds is any of what you propose feasible?

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Posted: 10 years ago
In a state like this I wonder , if Hinduism will actually stand as one cohesive unit or bifurcate on the basis of caste, sects and others.
What will happen to Jains, Sikhs and other non-muslim communities , where will they go.
In a situation where Hinduism is established as the foremost religion , there might just be a serious case of different ideologies within Hinduism clashing. We had it in a past Vaishnavites-Saivites, when there was no apparent foreign invasion .

For a nation to adapt a particular religion as a state policy , they will need to doctrine it's nomenclature, clauses,give it some shape . How will the majority agree on the one definition of Hinduism considering the religion is practiced so distinctly region to region in India.

Before the need to kicking out or easing others out arises, won't it be beneficial to actually understand how are we going to ever have a common consensus on Hinduism.

Also while we are at it, how do all this counter naxals, Maoists because the death toll is most for those attacks but first how will be bracket them religion wise , clearly they are non-muslims though.

Funny though, how Bhagwad Gita itself proponents the idea of secular state, when it mentions- "All created beings have their source in these two natures. Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution"~ If everything and everyone submerges in the absolute One then call it whatever name you like, the end will just be the one, doesn't it seem to contradict the idea of a establishing one religion as supreme. If the text says discrimination, bifurcation is useless and redundant than how can the religion based on it's teaching implement one religion supremacy across a state.


Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: zorrro


If you think a debate over religion and birthrate is bad what do you think of the bloodshed being hinted at 🤔 If talks of increasing birthrate seemed to be ludicrous then the bloodshed as a solution looks downright sinister

You clearly miss out on pun intended in my statement. Anyways, all I was trying to say is both Religion and Birth Rate are highly debatable subjects and there is no end to the debate...

I am not aware of any data existing about the different religions campaigning against FP but there have been many incidents of people from many religious groups who have advised against following FP methods due to fear of dwindling nos. be it Muslims, Hindus, Christians or some indigenous tribal groups. Its usually the working class and the educated people who prefer to limit their family size due to obvious personal issues.

Religion plays a big role in influencing decision about birth control use. Basically all religions believe in family planning but what they argue about is the method used...




The real question should be why only certain religion cultural having more kids than others?


Edited by -Aarya- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Gubbara.

lol...kuch bhi..just coz you want me to come back and refute your baseless allegations?😆

You guys are better off this way. Trust me you dont need someone like me around here to create a menace in this peaceful forum😳. I am not a serious debater like you guys are and i will only prove to be nuisance where some of you Oxford literates are discussing and finding solutions to better our future😆 You guys have seen how bazigar exploded on one comment of mine😆😆. That's what happens wherever i go.

anyway,I will be keeping an eye on this section from now on. Love reading your worldly views on things that matters the most... Nice meeting y'all. See ya around!😛

Ha Ha -- -- Gubbara ji 🤗 welcome back to this thread . Dont bother about bazigar or "mr. edit" which should be a better name for him 😆 He has a knack for exploding and re-exploding 😉 😆 I dont think we have seen the last of him yet so stick around 😆 Btw I read his post as well as yours before the edit. 😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
TNN | Jan 22, 2015, 12.51 AM IST
NEW DELHI: According to the latest census data on the population of religious groups, set to be released shortly, the growth rate of the Muslim population has slowed from 29% to 24% between 1991 and 2001. However, it is still higher than the national average of 18% for the decade.
The most rapid rise in the share of Muslims in the total population was witnessed in Assam.

This cannot be due to the higher birth rate alone but due to the cross border infiltration. 🤓
Some findings: -

*Nationally, percentage of Muslims in total population went up from 13.4% in 2001 to 14.2% in 2011.

*Assam recorded highest increase in share of Muslims, from 30.9% of the state's population to 34.2%.

* Manipur was the only state to show a fall in Muslim population.

*Other states that showed high increase in share of population are Uttarakhand (2 percentage points), Kerala (1.9), West Bengal (1.8), Goa (1.6) and J&K (1.3).

*Lowest rise in Meghalaya, Odisha and Arunachal (0.1 percentage points)
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: -Aarya-




You clearly miss out on pun intended in my statement. Anyways, all I was trying to say is both Religion and Birth Rate are highly debatable subjects and there is no end to the debate...

Ms Aarya ji the subject is being debated because it is debatable 😳


Religion plays a big role in influencing decision about birth control use. Basically all religions believe in family planning but what they argue about is the method used...

I dont think all religions believe in FP and the only argument is about the method to employ. Some groups outrightly reject it in any form. Anyway, the method employed should be a subject left for the couple and their doctor to decide.


The real question should be why only certain religion cultural having more kids than others?
Ignorance, lack of education, accessibility, poverty, religious beliefs- all play a role.

As I mentioned in earlier post, infiltration of migrants across the porous borders also is adding to the nos. The politicians are responsible and also bribe accepting sentinels at the border.


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie

In a state like this I wonder , if Hinduism will actually stand as one cohesive unit or bifurcate on the basis of caste, sects and others.

I share your concerns regarding this.


What will happen to Jains, Sikhs and other non-muslim communities , where will they go.
They are indigenous religious group of India and dont have to go anywhere else.

In a situation where Hinduism is established as the foremost religion , there might just be a serious case of different ideologies within Hinduism clashing. We had it in a past Vaishnavites-Saivites, when there was no apparent foreign invasion .
Conflicts are bound to continue. It is not as if all conflicts would end with India becoming a Hindurashtra. Today this and tomorrow that--- 😛

For a nation to adapt a particular religion as a state policy , they will need to doctrine it's nomenclature, clauses,give it some shape . How will the majority agree on the one definition of Hinduism considering the religion is practiced so distinctly region to region in India.

Before the need to kicking out or easing others out arises, won't it be beneficial to actually understand how are we going to ever have a common consensus on Hinduism.
Valid concerns. indeed.

Also while we are at it, how do all this counter naxals, Maoists because the death toll is most for those attacks but first how will be bracket them religion wise , clearly they are non-muslims though.

Terrorism is terrorism and should be dealt with as such irrespective of their religious background. I dont think Souro suggested any concessions to hindu criminals.

Funny though, how Bhagwad Gita itself proponents the idea of secular state, when it mentions- "All created beings have their source in these two natures. Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution"~ If everything and everyone submerges in the absolute One then call it whatever name you like, the end will just be the one, doesn't it seem to contradict the idea of a establishing one religion as supreme. If the text says discrimination, bifurcation is useless and redundant than how can the religion based on it's teaching implement one religion supremacy across a state.

It would have been so much easier if all religions understood the truth contained therein.
Actually its quite possible that the founders of all great religions realised it but not so the followers!


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: souro



If you are talking about current legal grounds, I don't think it will be feasible, but as I had said earlier, laws can be changed.



Not exactly. Constitution has certain basic features which cannot be altered/destroyed via amendments.

# Supremacy of the Constitution
# Republican and democratic form of government
# Secular character of the Constitution
# Separation of powers between the legislature, executive and the judiciary
# Federal character of the Constitution
# The mandate to build a welfare state contained in the Directive Principles of State Policy
# Unity and integrity of the nation
# Sovereignty of the country.
# Sovereignty of India
# Democratic character of the polity
# Unity of the country
# Essential features of the individual freedoms secured to the citizens
# Mandate to build a welfare state

http://www.legalserviceindia.com/articles/thyg.htm


I will wrap it up from my end. A Hindu Rashtra is possible. Everything else that you proposed is not.


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Posted: 10 years ago
^^ Dr. B.R Ambedkar the principal architect of the Indian Constitution was smarter then people generally give him credit for 😆
While Hindus may continue as the majority a Hindu Rashtra is officially impossible under the constitution.

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