Raj- Sakshi VS Dev- Durga

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Dipali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: Dolly-heart
I do not sympathize with either Rajnath or Dev because both of them married for their selfish reasons.

Both were adults and had the choice to make a sensible decision both both chose to use their partners to get something for themselves in the end.

Rajnath of course is worse out of the two because he did it to hide some heinous crime
while Dev did it for his selfish need to find the love he thinks he lost.

Rajnath has burnt the candle at both ends and has gotten away with it for a long time
and now he is at that fork in his life once again whether to chose his so called love or
commit another crime which started this cycle for him in the first place.

Dev when he is proven innocent and finds out Durga is actually Nitya will have to decide if Durga/ Nitya is really worth the trouble he went through to get information for his childhood friend /love.

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Ecrivain

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Posted: 11 years ago

#12

Debby I guess every thing comes down to choice ..if people like DEVGA to be legal ..they support it. If they feel raj n Sakshi are incorrect ..so be it n they support Rajma

Either way even if raj loved Raima to eternity ..he is MARRIED come what may n hnece his act of an affair With Raima is NOT justified ..period

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anwesha rath

@Anurulz

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Posted: 11 years ago

#13

I dnt understand why there shud be sympathy for either of the men..they both made a choice and are living tht choice..rajnath the "great lover" had no qualms sleeping with both wife and girlfriend..kahe ki sympathy for him? It was a choice between himself and his "love" and he chose himself..he literally gigoloed himself for his reputation..and not to mention made full use of sakshiz brains to save his backside multiple times..

same goes with dev, he heard nityaz name and went nuts..married durga falling for their blackmail..at the same time, relied on durga to get him out of the fiasco he is in currently..both the marriages were deals, tht both parties have made for mutual benefits..no sympathy whatsoever..

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dey.bh

@dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

I dont sympathise with them either but I am trying to understand the legality of a blackmail.

Of course every blackmail has options. ' Do it or else'

Those who choose ' Do it' option are the victims and if not victims then you may call them cowards and those who choose ' Or else' are the brave ones. So, with that we know what a man is ,a coward or a brave man. In any case its the decision that will make the man.

But what about the blackmailers ? How is Dayal different from Sakshi in this regard?

There were celebrations when DevGa marriage was announced because each person thought about Durga alone. They were all concerned on the fact that the protagonist can never marry the antagonist. No one thought from Dev's point of view.

Again when the truth RajMa affair came to limelight all of a sudden the illicit relation became an ideal relationship while RaKShi was termed immoral.

In accordance to public reactions to two similar incidents of blackmail I am confused why DevGa marriage was not as immoral as RakShi marriage? What decides the righteousness of a blackmail ? The motive ?

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bangles

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

The issue of motive in people and relationships is very complex.

All humans are basically self preservative/centred in nature - so all acts even if they seem selfless are actually selfish in nature. A person who does charity may be seen as doing this to make him self feel good , so can be seen to have a selfish motive.

In general the tendency of humans is also to take a balance sheet approach- i.e., taking into account what the person's intentions are, is the intent selfish or selfless, how often does this happen, how much resources he has etc., ,

In the case of Dev, the balance is heavily loaded in favour of him coming across as naive, innocent, harmless, non- manipulative. On this background, Dev's motive of finding Nitya seems less selfish than it is.

Raj is seen as totally selfish given his history of manipulation,criminal acts and his resources.

Re: Blackmail- the motives of Sakshi was to become a Goenka- for selfish reasons presumably- to reach the top, to gain control, etc.,And she has a profile of a criminal

Dayal's motive- to support Durga in becoming a Goenka so that she can eventually seek justice for Payal( so that he can feel good that he has done some good- the selfish motive). And he has a profile of a do-gooder.

The bottom line is that all acts can be seen as selfish and there is always a degree of manipulation in all relationships.

We look away from some selfish acts and manipulations when we see these as harmless or for a good cause but have strong disapproval when they are seen to be selfish and when they cause harm to others.

The question is where do we draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable levels of selfishness and manipulation?

Does having tolerance for this make us a mature society or an indifferent one?

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

@dey the motive is the real decider which is good, which is bad. Sakshi married Raj for money, power and status

Durga married Dev for getting justice for her sister. The question whether getting married was the right way to get justice is a difference one. But her motive was justice. She was not interested in money, power , status or for that matter anything material. I guess that is why Devga is forgiven but Raj-Sakshi is seen as selfish.

But the crux of the matter for me is that both were selfish deals. For me Durga married into Goenka family to settle a score with Sakshi than for the justice for her sister and Dev well his plan is to dump Durga once he gets Nithya.

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dey.bh

@dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@dey the motive is the real decider which is good, which is bad. Sakshi married Raj for money, power and status
Durga married Dev for getting justice for her sister. The question whether getting married was the right way to get justice is a difference one. But her motive was justice. She was not interested in money, power , status or for that matter anything material. I guess that is why Devga is forgiven but Raj-Sakshi is seen as selfish.

But the crux of the matter for me is that both were selfish deals. For me Durga married into Goenka family to settle a score with Sakshi than for the justice for her sister and Dev well his plan is to dump Durga once he gets Nithya.

Shruti:

Justice for sister is a good reason but not reason enough to blackmail another man and forge your identity to marry him. Why should Devga be forgiven only because Durga's motive is not materialistic ? In fact Durga had an option to disclose everything to Dev and then marry him but she or say her father choose to blackmail Dev instead.

Even Nathuram Godse didn't kill Gandhi for any materialistic desires but was hanged. That is how the law works and that is how it should.

Blackmailing is a legal offense and obviously counts both Durga and Dayal as criminals along with Sakshi. Please answer from that point of view. Dev should be given his right to decide if he will marry Nitya as Durga then to just make him marry one fine day.

THe problem of such kind of shows is either they don't have much knowledge about the laws of the country or they simply want to create one new idealogy of their own . In the case of the latter every action will be justified on the basis of the character sketch of the person concerned. Thus, Durga and Dev marriage becomes eternal and Sakshi's marriage becomes a cruel act.

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dey.bh

@dey.bh

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

@ Bangles: I agree it is a complex subject to decide the motive in human relationships. Also each human action is guided by the simple logic of profit and loss

So basically morality cannot be judged. Lets shift our focus to the law of the land.

Blackmailing is after all a crime. Also forging identity to marry someone is a crime too and the marriage is also a fake one considering the pandit was a fake person.

At the end of the day Dayal and Sakshi are not different at all. They both had motives. They both used another man and they both got what they wanted.

I have no sympathy for any of these EHT character ( excluding Payal). Raj got into trouble because of a crime committed by him, Raima because he supported him in that crime.

Sakshi because she thought she can and will control everyone without even realising that nobodycan win it all.

Dev got into trouble because he didn't know anything about his own family but uselessly threatened the Thakurs. So when Thakurs got a chance they gave it back to him.

Suchitra because she failed to make the right decision at the right time

And Durga of course is punished because she didn't calculate the consequences before releasing the RajMa tape.

A pure political scene it is. So, no hard feelings for anyone here. All got what they deserved, some because of their criminal past and some because of their sheer stupidity.

My last hope here is that the show ends on a good note. It will be really unfair if Durga takes a gun and shoots all the three Goenkas in the end.

Edited by dey.bh - 11 years ago

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#19

@dey see one of the things I appreciate in EHT is that there are no mahaan characters there. Everyone has motive. Even the protagonists that is Dev and Durga are all not white. There are hues of gray for them.

Yes Durga had an option of disclosing everything to him once she knew he wanted to help. But she didn't wanted to, because Dev would have want to go the legal way than this plotting and planning. Durga doesn't want the legal way. Yes I agree Dev should be given an option to decide whether to continue in the marriage if he knows Nithya is actually Durga.

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642126

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Debs

Actually every method of Durga is illegal only.

Spying on others in stealth in deliberately induced, artificially created situations is wrong, hiring goons to paralyse a guy is wrong, blackmailing Dev for marriage is coercion. Faking own identity is wrong.

Punishable offenses.

You are right that only Payal is innocent in this show. No one else.

Justice is also mostly personal vengeance. Sorry to say but the way she let other rapists roam unharmed till date and never rallied a movement against wrong doers shows she has nothing but personal agenda on mind. Nothing altruistic here or great cause of women or exposing corruption of society.

When Sakshi had threatened her few months ago she thought of everything except that Payal could be in danger. Dayal wanted her to leave this path and once for a while she had even drifted. So selfish streak is there.

Dev too is ready to leave Durga for Nitya and is doing it out of guilt for not being there for bestie. He is also selfish.

In my opinion, she is only trying to assuage her guilt, tried her best earlier with legal methods but failed and is now using same tricks as enemy to foil them.

Nobody is honest or totally morally clean here.

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