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Posted: 11 years ago
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I know I am going to be bashed left right center...but then I have to say it...
everyone is hating mani...feeling bad and crying for raman...currently hating ishu too...but the moral of the story is...why blame mani when Ishra at fault... why blame mani when Ishra has flaws in their relationship...let me explain
Mani
I am not going to go into childhood stories of Ishmani...I am going by the current flow...may he is a successful businessman and all...a father to his sister's kids...but then he has only one childhood friend that is ishu...so of course he will call her...does he has CCTV system in his home knowing what is ishu doing...preparing breakfast for Ruman...raman is not happy with his call...does that man knows what is happening in raman's mind...when he calls...he is just being a friend to ishu...he doesn't know the timing schedule of Ruman waking up...ishu preparing breakfast for them...
everyone expects mani to understand the term "home wrecker"...was raman in his conscious mind when raman's shouts this words to him...first of all raman is drunk...I agree...words from the soul comes when a person is drunk...but not all thinks that way...there are some people who thinks a drunkard person is blabbering nonsense in his drunken state...this Is what happen...mani didn't took his words seriously becos raman was drunk and in mani's eyes...he is blabbering in drunken state and people who are in their conscious mind never takes a drunk person words seriously...even if the words comes from their soul...that's the truth in real life too...that's why when a person is drunk and he/she wakes up in the next morning...they forgot everything and life is back to normal...and when a person is drunk...conscious people doesn't even go near them...as they are unpredictable...so Mr RKB needs to shout at mani in conscious mind that he is a home wrecker...not in drunken state...you guys forgot the scene...when ashok blabbers abt shagun to mani...after listening...he went back to ishu...and he told ishu that he was drunk and blabbering nonsense...this shows his understanding nature of a drunk man...he doesn't take drunkard words seriously...😆
coming to raman-mani equation...when raman is acting like a jerk infront of mani...and sometimes with ishu infront of mani...what does one expect...to look into his soul to know what a nice person raman is...first impression is last impression...raman has been acting like a jerk since mani's entry... thus mani has made his own assumptions abt raman...if raman believe what he sees and doesn't want to know beyond...it goes same for mani...he believe what he sees...in his eyes...raman is not a marriage material for ishu becos of his behaviour...that's our RKB style...we know it...ishu know it...ruhi know it...Bhallas-Iyers know it but definitely not mani...he finds raman is arrogant and doesn't have the manners to talk to people...raman needs to learn to speak well infront of a guest...before all this mess...the normal equation of ishu-mani-raman...I did not like his sarcastic comments on ishu infront of mani...whatever b/w ishra...is in closed doors...when infront of a guest especially...your wife's childhood friend...respect your wife...this is another reason why mani made assumptions on raman..and judge his character
now the "excuse me...you excuse me"...everyone expect mani to understand...seriously...I found it...most stupid...when the man doesn't take drunk raman seriously...do you guys think...raman's code words will make him understand...what is running into raman's mind...mani being confused himself...is a fact that he doesn't know what is running into raman's mind...and he did not even take raman's drunk drama seriously becos he thinks of it as drunkard man blabbering that's it...instead of giving code words...raman should confront him personally...when there should be a confrontation...this guy can't confront...and when there should not be any confrontation...he opens his mouth...when it comes to family fiasco...he opens his mouth even work his hands harder for slaps...when it comes to his own personal issues...he can't even confess...express...confront...this is what I dislike abt raman...when its time to confront...he gives king size attitude...
Raman
I am little bit surprise abt this man behaviour...he is behaving childish...seriously...I know he is fighting his demons of his past...and all...but I can't believe that he suspects his own wife...ishu has done lots for his family...yes she wanted to become a mother thus marry raman...but then she has done lots for his family...his siblings...his kids...she was even tag as "characterless" by his family during pervert fiasco...took humiliation and insult from his ex-wife...every good and bad phase of his life...she has given her best support...no wife will allow her husband to go for a picnic with his ex-wife...but ishu as a wife even pack his and ruhi's bag to go with his ex-wife so that he can spend some time with his useless son as she trust him...every now and then he hurts her with his taunts...shouting...during Mrs Iyer's accident track...he was talking stealthily with shagun...she did not doubt him a bit...she just brush of the matter thinking that its something abt adi...as parents they need to talk...she gives the respect to his ex-wife...he lied to her various time in accident track but she had this trust in herself and in him that one day raman will tell her the truth...when this women can trust him so much to such extend that she can pack his bags for a picnic with his ex-wife...she can bring his ex-wife home since she was drunk with due respect that she is raman's kids mother...why can't he keep such trust on ishu...just becos she keeps doing mani's jaap...praising mani...talking with mani...it irritates him...I am not going to go into the flirting part becos its forcefully inserted for trps craps...it doesn't exist for me...why does he let his ex-wife play mind games with him...all this mess happen becos his ex-wife once again play her cards well by playing with his mind...and becos of that influence...he began to suspect his own wife...why is raman mixing his past events with present events...its becos of his mixing his past and present...he made a mess out of himself...he made a joke out of himself...seriously I find him childish...
raman has not moved on from his past...he was still living with it...yes he had a changed of mind and heart due to ishu's influence...but definitely he was not over from his past completely...he was giving lecture to mihir to let go of past and accept present and future...he needs to preach that himself...every moves of ishu's in the current scenario...he has been comparing and mixing with his past...I know he has went through a bad phase...but he needs to understand not all women are shagun...especially after living with ishu for months...he should know her better that no matter what ishu will not stoop such level...and I felt it was cheap of raman to think abt his own wife in such a way...when he has seen the kindest nature of hers in the past...
in real life scenario...when a wife just shakes hands with a guy friend w/o any flirting...hugging...its just a normal greet...when you meet a person after a hiatus years...typical husbands has suspicions in their minds abt their wives and their guy friends and create their own delusional world and their wives are clueless...torturing their wives mentally...physically...leads to divorce...destruction of kids lives even murder their own wives...husbands being a home wrecker to their own small little home...
when suspicions arise in marriage...its the end of marriage...as there is no cure of suspicion no matter what bad past one has went through...the only way to sort out this issue...is sit and talk maturely and clear all doubts...confront each other...that's what marriage is all abt...the word is "COMMUNICATE" rather than doing drunken tamasha on the road...giving royal attitude...stupid speech in the function to humiliate your own wife as well as ex-wife...all this nonsense is not needed at all...he can confess to her random drunkard that he loves his wife...but he can't confess and express to the women he loves...he can't confront of her abt what he saw and heard and creates his own hallucination and imagination by mixing it with his past
raman is strong and powerful from the exterior...physical...but interior...he is very vulnerable and emotional...a weak man who can't confront nor express his feelings to his daughter...his wife...
he needs to stop taunting...stop shouting...stop being irritated...stop getting drunk and stop showing royal attitude...and just learn to trust and communicate with your wife...his present and future will be beautiful...and all his demons of his past will be perished
Ishita
I don't understand the reason for disliking her at the moment...or some hating her...I am not going to go even into the flirting part becos as I say...it was forcefully inserted for trps sake to create more drama...this flirting of Ishmani doesn't exist for me...now my rant is...when a women is married...she needs to break ties with her childhood precious friends...if he is a guy...just becos her hubby doesn't like it...what kind of a logic is it...in real life...I have seen in papers and watch it on real life story based programmes that how a husband doesn't like his wife having a friendly chat with her childhood friend...who is also a married man...and very loyal to his own wife...and I just don't understand such mens...why so much domination for ishu...just becos raman is hurt...crying...drunk...and due to that she needs to explain mani and break all ties with him and ask him to stay away...I found it funny...first of all...ishu is not having any affair with mani...they are childhood friends...talking...laughing...flirting does happen...its the identity of their childhood friendship...this was how they were grown up with...and such habits doesn't die easily...just becos ishu is married doesn't mean...she needs to break ties with her childhood friend...yes her mani jaap is annoying...but that's her nature...she is friendly with everyone...since mani is her childhood friend...and after years she has met him...the excitement is hyper...now if raman has problems with Ishmani interaction...he should confront them and say it on their face he does not like their friendship...as simple as that...ishu will definitely listen to him and mani will understand too...instead of blabbering to your own and showing fake acceptance...tell them on their faces...everyone saying that ishu knows that raman doesn't like mani...thus she is still talking to him...why she should change her lifestyle according to raman wishes...mani is her childhood friend and not raman's...secondly ishu enjoys the jealous raman...she takes it as a joke not knowing that things have become serious...she doesn't understand what is running into his mind...he is unpredictable...thus all this complication...now coming to ishu should understand raman behaviour...the first thing everyone should get in the mind that why ishu is not understanding raman's current behaviour becos she trust her husband...she knows that raman can taunt her...shout at her...blame her...but will never suspect her character...will never ever stoop such cheap level to think that she is having an affair with someone else...cheating on him and betraying their marriage...its her trust on raman that she doesn't understand why is he behaving in such a way...and she feels its all abt romika issues...its now she will get to know that raman has been suspecting her of having an affair with her childhood friend...and that thought of raman abt Ishmani will disgust her...as she will not able to believe that raman has such thoughts abt her after living with her in the same house...same room...same roof for months and till now he did not understand her...regarding ishu thinking raman loves shagun...well the way raman acts sometimes does gives her the impression that he loves shagun...its started from day 1 after her marriage with raman...when she starts to see that raman has feelings for her...things goes back to square one...this shagun will be always there in Ishra relationship...and this fact can't be denied bcos...shagun is bonded with raman becos of kids...and it always be till death...the only mistake of ishu is...she is not communicating with raman abt what is bothering him...in ishu's case...trust is not the issue but lack of communication is the issue...regarding romika's issue...I agree ishu should tell the truth to raman but then did raman tell her the truth abt adi who created the accident...its fair and square to me...raman lied so does ishu too...didn't ishu has the rights to know that adi almost killed her mother...why did raman lied in the first place becos he though ishu in fit of anger might to something drastic that should not be done that will destroy the future of his son...and he joins hands with shagun to hide the fact and solve the issue...its the same...if raman knows abt ashok's involvement in romika issue...he will be out of control and it will bring big humiliation to him and his family...and in anger he will do something drastic that should not be done...thus for the betterment of raman...she joins hands with mani and hides the fact and solve the issue herself...many issues both Ishra has hide from each other...I can list so many...and this habit has to be changed
why blame mani...when Ishra has faults in their relationship...from raman's side trust and lack of communication skills is the issue while on ishu's side lack of communication skill is the issue...if both of them sort out this issues...everything will be smooth...they will talk abt their kids...their parents...siblings...friends...animals...but they can't talk abt themselves...mani is just cameo...he will not harm Ishra relationship...the real threat is shagun-adi...if Ishra doesn't sort out this issue in their relationship...mother-son duo can take full advantage of this weakness of Ishra...and shagun is an expert in playing mind games with raman...and she succeeds in ruling him entirely...mani's track just showed Ishra the mirror that they have trusting issues and lack of communication skills...they need to work upon it to make their bond a unbreakable one...once this issue is being sorted out...Ishra relationship with strong like a pillar that even shagun's re-entry can never break it...and Ishra should stop hiding issues from each other...this is one bad habit of both of them...
the moral of story...why blame a 3rd person...when Ishra themselves has faults in their relationship
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Exactly my thoughts... I have said it in Rajma Idli posts. The fault lies with Ishra relationship. What many are not understanding is that even if Mani goes or backs off, is there any guarantee the same incident will not be repeated when another Mr. Know all and a Ms. Bimbo walks into their relationship? A third person can effect a couple's relationship only and only when the couple's relationship is not strong. Look at real life... SRK has been at teh top for so many years and so has Mr. Bachchan. They both had their own set of flings too. But the relationship they shared with their respective spouses was strong enough to sustain their relationship against odds. On the other hand, so many broken marriages... Hrithik, Amir, etc... So why blame a third person?
Ishita has gone overboard with Mani.
Raman has gone overboard with his problems.
Neither of them communicate well with each other. Hence the turst issue crops up every time. Love cannot survive if the trust and communication goes down the drain. Simple. The CVs are just trying to show this point... Yes it is a serial..hence all the melodrama... but if one sees it closely, the situation of IShra is quite realistic...happens in real life too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My exact thoughts!!! Was on a lookout for a post like this TFS...
They need to learn to communicate n thats what they're lacking!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My thoughts on this track:
Mani:
Mani is harmless and he wants the best for Ishita. Mani realized Ishita was in love when this girl was dening to herself she wasn't in love with Raman. The only complaint I have against Mani is that he did cross some boundaries. He shouldn't have flirted with Ishu in front of Raman as respect that she is some other man's wife. Also he shouldn't have called Ishita 1 at night unless its an emergency. She is married and you should respect that part. Any person would get suspicious if their spouse's friend from the opposite gender is calling that late at night especially since it is not an emergency.

Ishita:
Ishita has every right to protect Raman as she has seen him suffer from the hands of Shagun and Ashok, but she shouldn't hide things from her husband. Fine I get she didn't want to tell Raman about Ashok using Sarika to deframe so he doesn't get Asia head. I get that but I dead against her hiding the fact she is meeting Mani and changing his name in her phone. That looks suspicious and I don't blame Raman at all for suspecting her. She didn't have to tell Raman about Ashok but she shouldn't have hid her meeting with Mani. I know everyone was bashing Ishita today but today I saw that she truly loves Raman a lot. My favourite line she said was Raman give your pain. The way she holds him while he is sleeping touched my heart.

Raman:
I dont know what to say about him other take Mihir's advice and talk to Ishita. Sorry to all the Raman fans but during this whole Mani track, Raman has actually acted immature. Again CVs have not handled the jealously and Mani track well. Raman is sweet and kind and loves Ishu a lot but I wish he would trust him that she wouldnt break his heart. But I don't blame him for that because Ishita had created situations that would look suspicious .Also Raman told the drunk man yesterday that Ishita never talked to him properly and now he laughs and is playful with Mani. No offense Raman but you're the one who was rude to Ishita, even when she tried having a normal conversation with you. Your attitude towards her was not right for a long time.

I know everyone is annoyed at Ishita being dumb but I just find her naive and pure hearted. If you look at Ishita's POV she didn't want Raman to get hurt because of Ashok and give up his happiness so she didn't tell him. Her heart was in the right place but she could have avoided some of her decisions (already mentioned them above). I also say Ishita has every right to be mad at Raman for doubting her character because no self respecting her girl can hear that about her character. Please dont think Im against Raman either because again its the situations around that lead him to doubt Ishita so I don't blame him either but he can't expect Ishita not to be mad either.

What I would like to see out of this MU track both them having a heart to heart talk and both apologizing to one another and starting fresh again. Plus who doesn't want to see Raman doing cute things to woo Ishu back😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Most couples have misunderstandings because of lack of communication.In most cases the reason being that their misunderstandings motivate them to do many things both constructive and destructive but completely demotivate them from communicating.That is the trump card which every misunderstanding holds- that too close to its heart - and enjoys every moment while its victims get more and more bogged down in a mire of useless dialogues,taking stands,planning revenge,sulking,blaming-- in short unless somebody pulls them out they sink further and further.Communication is that magic rope which can haul them out but they won't be told and are too down and out to think of it or grope for it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Every time raman saying to ishita relation only for ruhi don't become my wife he said ishita every time
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think night 12:30 is sleeping time for normal family woman.
excpet for any corporate members and students.

then how did he call at that time.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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No comments on Mani part other then that agree with u..
Raman's words say something else and actions say something else..

He said to ishita so many times that she will never be his choice as a wife ..and so many harsh comments .how can he suddenly expecting love from her.he ius the one who always pushes ishita back to ruhi ke liye only whenever ishita try to step fwd..
He said his wife love his daughter, his parents, his siblings but not him ..but he by himself responsible for it .ishita gave love to ruhi ,ruhi gave her her love in return ..ishita started to give respect and love like a daughter in law to Mr&Mrs bhalla and in return they gave her it ..his siblings r the bad in turns of kaands she gave them love like a elder sister ( forgive and forget so many kaands of them ) and in return they gave her.but what he did ..always pushed ishita to " sirf ruhi ke liye " mode.no doubt Raman did so many good things for her but love ..hw can he expecting love without trying to give back .


His insecurity is his weakness and because of that both gonna suffer a lot ..whatever the reason shagun is not worth enough to compare with ishita..ishita can do anything but cheating.. His ex is pushing buttons and he started to give response. Shagun was right she is still able to control Raman.and situations r adding fuel to the fire .now his brain will work only in one direction " hurt her" till he will learn the truth..

Ishra has big problem that they don't talk face to face about the issues related to them only.hope one of them confront other and clear MUs.cant see painful epis .don't want to see any Mani or shagun or anyone else come in between them ..

This is just my POV..
Edited by v_ani_patel - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautiful post Leela.
Last night episode made me also disgusted. Your post opened my eyes.

But, the fact is your beautiful analysis showing all the truths will not come in use. Cos, criticisers will criticize from one POV (No offense to anyone). I have seen in another show and forum that when male leads cry, everyone's heart is shattered as they don't cry often. It's a pattern I have seen till now, so telling.

I had problem with why Ishita dint understand Ramans' words. You cleared that point also. She is always such pure and naive that if things are not told in her face, she can't understand many things. Cos, she trusts everyone so easily...a big fault from her part. And, I can understand this cos, I am kinda like her...stupid most of the times, if not told clearly, I can't understand many things😆.

The rest...I reserve.
Edited by DivAniTanni - 11 years ago

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