Many A Mile ... How far do i have to go to Get U

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How far do i have to go to get you ...
Its a very famous song from Sara Bareilles ... but yes i know ur wondering what does this have to do with YHM ... no no i am not talking about Separation at all .. so hold ur horses ..

Ever since my last post on sunday entitled "while u were sleeping" i have been getting PMs . .on what was the meaning of the dialogs during the shout match .. also a lot of people were miffed about the dialog .. " Mere ghar meinn tumhare liye bhi koi jagah nahi hai"

So thot of doing a post .. to explain the same ..

After the early morning taunt session .. he comes raging outside .. very disturbed .. last nights restlessness came flooding back .. she had no clue WHY she had hurt him ...
When the reason of the disturbance comes running outside ... trying to justify herself ...

OK so lets pause & recreate what Raman said ( i will do an english interpretation of his dialog)

U can bring all kinds of drunkards in the house ... if its a man u sleep out .. if its a woman i will sleep out ...

First indication of what irked him ...

He alluded to the 2 strays in his house .. Param & Shagun .. lets see what happened just prior to Shagun's entry in the Bhalla house .. there was a huge furore regarding the farm house incident .. the house which was until then peaceful .. had erupted .. & what did that eruption do ...

IT created a EMOTIONAL & MENTAL DISTANCE between RAMAN & ISHITA ...

Then she brings in Shagun ... what does that do .. it brings PHYSICAL DISTANCE between the 2 ... he had to sleep outside & she was sleeping inside ...

Ok pause here .. just a day back .. IT WAS RAMAN WHO HAD BRIDGED THAT HUGE DISTANCE .. he had gone to sleep peacefully next to his wife ... the next morning his wife shrugged his touch off .. & then that night she brought a guest to sleep in his bed .. thereby removing him from his bed ...
Nothing could create the DISTANCE BETWEEN THE 2 better than this (unknowing & unmalicious) move of Ishita's ...

So lets go back to the dialog ... look what he is saying .. there is distance coming between us .. of ur making .. a distance i am trying to bridge ...

But this is IShita .. she seldom understands Raman ... ( ahem thats cause Raman himself said right .. i am very romantic but just don't express it well 😉)

She then makes an even greater faux pas while explaining her reason .. she says .. she is not STRAY .. she is Ruhi's mom ... that makes Raman erupt ...

He had just a few days back told her .. Be sure to make RUHI like U .. her MOTHER .. he wanted NO TIES at all LINKING RUhi with Shagun .. & here his wife was once again making reference to the fact that Ruhi was Shagun's mother ..

Every gesture till date of his to prove that she was HIS WIFE .. every move of his to give her OWNERSHIP ... today went to naught ... it went all to waste ...
Pause here a moment ...
U know what this reminded me of .. it reminded me of the day during Ashtami puja when Ishita told Pooja ( Pammy aunties pregger niece) . .that she was not RUhi's birth mother .. & the following reaction from Ruhi ... this reaction of Raman's was exactly the same ..

At that time it was Ruhi who wanted no ones CLAIM on her .. & this time it was RAMAN who wanted NO ONES CLAIM ON HIM .. but his wife ...
Hence his next shout ...

U R such a SELF SACRIFICING SOUL THAT U GET MY EX WIFE HOME In MY BED ...

That was the shout of the man who was desperately looking for his wife to repeat back .. OUR BED ... OUR ROOM .. Thats UR PAST ... BUT THIS IS UR PRESENT .. & I HAVE FULL OWNERSHIP OF UR PRESENT ...

What irked him most .was .. THAT THERE WAS NO SENSE OF JEALOUSY .. NO SENSE OF INSECURITY which IShita showed seeing Shagun in Raman's bed ... but just a mention of Subbu & just a mention of the perfect husband material bala .. could set him off ...

How could he get her so wrong .. just a few days back he had thot .. "JALTI HAI TOH MUH CHALTI HAI" ... BUT was he WRONG ...

Then comes Amma followed by Ashok .. & that starts the taunt brigade ...

But as he lunges to beat Ashok to a pulp for the insult he had dealt his RELATION with his wife .. she HOLDS ON TO HIM .. she CLUTCHES HIM TO HER ... SO TIGHT SO AS TO NOT LET HIM GO ...

Pause here now ..

He shouts at her .. NOW U R TOUCHING ME ... now u r claiming me ... now ur showing ur ownership .. now ur touching me .. when just a day back u shrugged off my touch ..

What a stroke of brilliance ... After shrugging off ownership .. she was now claiming it ..the irony of it making his temper BLOW OUT OF ALL PROPORTIONS ..
He screams at her .. THIS IS THE MAN WHO RUINED MY LIFE 6 YEARS BACK ... TODAY IT DOES NOT MATTER ....

He once again shouted to her in his way .. MY PAST IS OVER & DONE WITH .. IT DOES NOT AFFECT ME ANYMORE ... I DONT CARE FOR THIS WOMAN ...
BUT I CARE FOR U ... no MAN CAN OFFER A SLIGHT TO MY WIFE .. IN MY OWN HOME ...

He was by then sickened by all the drama of the few days .. he looks to her & says ...

" Mere ghar mien tumhare liye bhi koi jagah nahi hai"

He says if this continues .. u also don't have a place in my house ... PASUE HERE PLEASE ...

What was he referring to ... he was referring to the distance that was growing between the 2 ... A distance that was being created UNKNOWINGLY BY ISHITA .. her nature to SELFLESSLY GIVE HERSELF & HELP OTHERS .. was now impinging on their relationship ...

The words meant ... From now onwards .. I WONT EVEN LET U CREATE THIS DISTANCE BETWEEN US ...

Just hold this thot for a moment ...

lets see what happened after this ... a saddened Raman was in his room .. when she came there .. he had NO ANGER IN HIM... but just a deep sadness ... her apology made him understand that she absolutely had no CLUE why she HURT him .. she still thot it was about reopening of his 6 year old wound ... he shrugs of the apology & tells her lets go ..

But this is RAMAN BHALLA .. he needs to have the last word . he turns around & tells her ... If i knew this would shut u up .. i would bring Shagun home myself ...

WHOA WHOA WHOA .. pause here ...

What did he mean ... this one dialog had 2 meanings ..

One he forgave her for Shagun entry in BHALLA HOME ( not bed)... basically he could understand why she did what she did
secondly ... he said ... IF THIS WILL SHUT U UP ... if this will resolve ur INSECURITY about my PAST .. I WILL BRING THE PAST OUT & CLEAR IT OUT WITH U ...

Note the same night ... when they are alone in their room & talking about the Mihir Mihika marriage ... He turns around when the talk of past happens .. HIS EXPRESSION CLEARLY of a person who wants to SPEAK OUT HIS HEART .. he is clearly someone who wants to open the PANDORA;s BOX now .. BUT BUT BUT or as Bhanu says .. PANTU KIRANTU BUT ...

Madam is not with him .. she is completely clueless still .. hence a look of utter INCOMPREHENSION on her face .. finally Ruhi comes in ... He picks Ruhi up & leaves the room after some light hearted banter ... to fight this battle another day ...

The next day while giving romance lessons to Mihir .. he decides to go pick his wife up from a class ... saying .. USS SADDE SE SHAKAL PE HASSI TOH AAYE" ... the last few days were wrought with tension .. yes she was BEWAKOOF ( but he always called her that) .. but her intentions were good .. she was being pressured from all ends her sisters marriage had gone thru the wringer .. his mother had put incredible pressure on her .. simmi's curt behaviour .. param's disgusting presence was all playing havoc with his wife

What he lost in the midst of all this was the SMILE he worked so hard to get during the licence fiasco ... so he decided to work on that smile ...

He had already dealt with one of her problems .. SARIKA .. even as he had screamed at her .. that he would not help her .. he got Sarika another job ..

YES He was willing to GO FAR TO GET HER ...

The moment i heard Raman's shouting ... this song reverberated in my mind ... MANY A MILE .. HOW FAR DO I HAVE TO GO TO GET YOU ..

Yes there were many a mile for these two to traverse .. there was a huge chasm . a huge gap in understanding that these two had to traverse ...
BUT BUT BUT .. Raman Kumar Bhalla was committed .. he would go any distance to bridge the distance between his wife & him ..

We all know by now how Ishita will guess who is Mihir's sister .. how Ishita will support MIHIR .. & how Ishita will help bring the lovers to their ultimate destination in love ...

But in all this what Ishita will gain is an insight into her HUSBANDS PAST ... & she will finally get a REAL glimpse of how RAMAN has moved on from the past ...

Raman will finally understand his "TYAAG KI DEVI BIWI" ... her selfless nature which was irking him these days .. will finally find a place of special position in his heart ..


As i end this post .. i just wanted to flirt with the Mihir Mihika & Ashok saga .. so much is being written about whether this marriage will happen or not .. what & why is this track happening ..

Well i had written on August 11 .. this is the YEH HAI MOHABBATEIN track .. all the romances in YHM will see momentum in this track ..

Now i had done a post a while back called TIES THAT BIND or BONDS THAT TIE ... this actually covers about the upcoming tracks do take a look .. maybe it can help explain Romi & sarika & MiMi romance better ( its at the end of that post)

Good day .. catch u around in the forum ...



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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'm shocked that it is raman who is taking the first steps towards making this marriage a real ne in every sense. I assumed that it will be ishita because she is more "open" of the two and raman comes with so much baggage. CV's dish out terrible tracks but they can also write some brilliant stuff. in this case, it is the subtly with which they show raman's desire to live this marriage like a normal one and just like us, even he seems frustrated with ishita's passive attitude. 😆
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Reserved ... I promised Aani to edit her post first .😳
So, will check and read this one after I finish with her. Ek baar pad lia to dimag ke ghode idhar daudna shuru ho jayege 😆😆

Ruby ... pardon me ... but I do not think I will be able to write anything sensible today ...

brilliant stuff ...

Mera dimag kharab ho gaya hai by hearing that the time slot of YHM may be changed ... I started watching a serial after years and will need to quit if the time changes ... it has made me depressed super duper depressed
24 ghante bhi precap ki khushi manane di SP vaalo ne ... 😡

Anyway ... kaan pakad ke sorry again .. may be when am in better mood I will get back to this thread
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Posted: 10 years ago
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"Ah, lips that say one thing, while the heart thinks another,"

Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte Cristo


I dont know how long has it been since I have last done this, started a analysis post with a quote but thats the gist of things when it comes to IshRa now particularly Raman.

In my opinion he is the one who has changed the most in this journey so far... people have seen and noticed that as much as I have but the beauty of this show and its writing is... with time they dont let things stagnate but make em grow, change em little by little like how it happens in real life too when two people come together - of course they change each other, they affect each other but its a gradual process and not an instantaneous one also it depends on how open or closed off a person is... recently I have seen two people who have shown this change and both amazingly are the hotheaded ones of the duo - Raman and Mihika.


Recently when she came home after a blow she sent her Akka to talk to the man she trusts implicitly because somewhere down the line she was scared her temper may get the best of her right now... so she sent the one person she trusts implicitly is it not the influence of a usually calm level headed Mihir here she thought before acting?

In Raman' case the transformation happens with each day somehow and he progresses - his recent change is now in the way he addresses things - from Biwi ho tum meri and Meri biwi he has gone to Apne Pati and Tumhara husband... such a subtle change, so minute you might not even pay it any attention cos basically it doesn't change anything but in retrospect it changes a LOT - from being the one who wanted to proclaim ownership he now wants to be the one who is owned, the one who belongs to this woman - his wife.

He is amazed by this woman, he is awed by her and he is also driven up a wall by her actions BUT what makes the difference now is that when she does something even things he dislikes he supports her cos he knows a) she is very stubborn so better she keep him in loop, b) he is worried for her constantly and knows he has to be around to keep her safe and c) he knows she always, ALWAYS means well and does the right thing; like he knew why she got Shagun home that night, he hated it because he knows people don't understand nor sometimes deserve that goodness, that generosity.

When she stops him, when she protects him, his prestige - he sees this woman is protective of him, she wants and wishes well for him... but her actions where she is cool enough to put his ex in what is supposed to be their bed also makes him realize - she isn't possessive about him which hurts him.

The thing that somehow irks him the most is while she considers this home as hers rightfully she doesn't lay out the same kind of claim for him - he is just family to her... and he doesn't want that - he wants to be the most important person to her - in her life, in her heart and mind.

He has gifted this woman expensive things now - a saree and a gaudy necklace, cos in his mind that is something which works with women - it is what his experience has taught him... his ex left him because she wanted things of him which he couldn't afford... so now when he can he doesn't even have to think twice as he buys things for her... only now even this doesn't work...his ex would have started jumping around like crazy had he got those for her but his wife, Ishita... she doesn't give them much consideration.

With the necklace his plan backfired cos what to him was a gift where the pricetag was important - to her it was a gaudy thing... it annoyed him, angered him cos he expected thanks, appreciation instead he heard its a very gaudy thing that cost him too much - so in short plan failed.

When he cooled down a few days later he asks her on a bench when they step out at night was the gift really gaudy? And in her answer he learns while she appreciated the thought, the gesture - she didnt like the gift which is why this time around he decides to pay attention to her likes, to her tastes and gets her a saree which she HAD liked, all he wanted in return was to see her smile but alas he has to put his foot in his mouth and that has to result in sparks, NOT of those kind 😆

What irks him even more is she says she would pay him the amount of the saree...she is capable of buying it on her own, with her income but SINCE he was buying she refused to purchase a thing that would cost a bomb in a way as she is still not in that space where she would confidently do what any wife in her position might have done - buy as much as she wants esp when she knows hubby is gifting AND he can afford it... so that hurt him too.

Now last night he gives Mihir some advice since well this is the new RKB and he thinks feelings matter and so his lil bro should not be slogging but be romancing his fiance esp since they underwent such a huge trial in their relationship AGAIN, and this time around Mihir completes the task his Bhai had handed him over in a convo a few weeks back - the dekha dekha convo. He replies to his Bhai that he should also follow his own advice after expressing his surprise that his Bhai can know something about a thing called romance, something he says he is better at than even Mihir. So of course the shadow who knows him all too well pushes the right buttons and also performs his duty.

Which of course brings to Raman' attention the one thing he did NOT try to do for his wife as of yet that would perhaps finally gain her attention, make her realize what exactly does now her husband feel for her - he decides to romance and woo his wife, serenade her the way a lady is supposed to but this being RKB who still has one minor issue - of his ego which is courtesy of his apprehension that she may reject his advances should he actually go all SRK on her 😆 he has to say he would pick her up which would bring a smile on that sadi shakal - I really don't like the term - but isn't this the same person for whose smile he could resign in a moment - RKB you idiot at least in privacy, when talking to yourself call her beautiful unless you work on your vocabulary things wont improve my boy... rem a man falls in love with what he sees, a lady with what she hears 😳

So coming back to the issue. he drops by to surprise her and thinks he would take a snap of her shocked, surprise expression... someone really wants just an excuse to take someone' pics now doesn't he? To make her smile while she is crying or to use the pretext that he wants ammo to tease her... when he merely wants to be able to look at someone whenever he wants 😉 but of course when do things go as planned wifey spins a googly his way and asks him about a girl and there he forgets all about the snap but BUT there is a moment where he stops to admire her just a brief one since she says she is genuinely surprised to see him... so yeah he is getting there... not completely but slowly and I cant wait to see how things go from here... one thing is for sure... this man has come a long way from where he begun...

From a man who was ruffled at the mere sight of his ex, who would blow steam when he saw her with her beau today he is a man whose center of the world has shifted to his wife, to the woman he is in love with and is scared of admitting it... and what could prove it more than the fact that recently his ex was brought to his home and bed by his wife and he didn't even want to enter the space so long as she was around, he orders his wife to take his clothes out for himself as he doesn't even wish to be in a space where she is.

EK' movie EV has an awesome soundtrack and somehow these lines from one of its songs Zaroorat so fit here in my opinion


Andheron se tha mera rishta bada
Tune hi ujaalon se waaqif kiya
Ab lauta main hoon inn andheron mein phir
Toh paaya hai khud ko begaana yahaan
Tanhaayi bhi mujhse khafaa ho gayi
Banjaron ne bhi thukra diya
Main adhoora jee raha hoon
Khud par hi ik sazaa hoon
Mujhe teri zaroorat hai
Mujhe teri zaroorat hai



He has known this darkness for so long but now he has known light in his life and the return of this darkness which was all there to him and his world once ... it makes him feel like an outsider, he can view that darkness but not really associate himself with it in anyway... to him it is as foreign as could be as much as an alien he has become to it. This man who abhorred anyone' company for so long, who would seclude himself from the world especially in the dark of the night...today when he returned to that space again where there was no one in his vicinity that he might look upon as the last thing before he goes to sleep or the first thing as he wakes up... he couldn't take it, even that solitude seemed to mock him, something which he picked for so long now he can't be a nomad he was for so long... he has a home and that is with her, by her and hence... he says he wants her, he needs her but of course since he is still unable to find that part of himself which can voice that thing which she would need to hear - his self-inflicted punishment continues. 😳


I hope I made sense with the interpretation of the song and my post 😳 the news of the shift has me in a tizzy

Edited by EkPaheli - 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: btalwar

Reserved ... I promised Aani to edit her post first .😳
So, will check and read this one after I finish with her. Ek baar pad lia to dimag ke ghode idhar daudna shuru ho jayege 😆😆



Aani & Bhanu
Pleej to note . this ones not as long ... 😉😆😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Wow !! What a brilliant post
Amazing...u have actually put ramans emotions into words ..only if ishita could understand it

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Originally posted by: _Dipsi_

Wow !! What a brilliant post

Amazing...u have actually put ramans emotions into words ..only if ishita could understand it


True that .. if only they both got their wires uncrossed 😉
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wow , brilliant post but I am veri sad after reading it...
Actually when you started posting, i was not getting you rpoints bt this post matches my conclusions.I am sad because of Ishita. I dont think she si feeling 10% of what Raman is feeling for her.She is not insecure abt him but Raman is so insecure, sensitive. I cant digest all these.Raman is giving so many hints to her and also doing so many things in action but our madaam is nto getting anything and still belives Raman loves Shagun, he is not over his past , veri good,,, i have read your posts expalining Ishita but honestly i am not convinced at all.She voluntarly agreed to marry Prateek, so will it be Loveless marriage? whats the difference between Raman and Prateek? whe she is not feeling anything for Raman? No ownership , no insecurity no jelousy no possesivesnes bang on..
I am so sad to see and read all these, there is one YHM epiosde in my mobile which i watch daily like medicine , March 10 wala,, That Ishita after getting Ramans chits was so cute, that hope desire , shyness 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sang3241

wow , brilliant post but I am veri sad after reading it...

Actually when you started posting, i was not getting you rpoints bt this post matches my conclusions.I am sad because of Ishita. I dont think she si feeling 10% of what Raman is feeling for her.She is not insecure abt him but Raman is so insecure, sensitive. I cant digest all these.Raman is giving so many hints to her and also doing so many things in action but our madaam is nto getting anything and still belives Raman loves Shagun, he is not over his past , veri good,,, i have read your posts expalining Ishita but honestly i am not convinced at all.She voluntarly agreed to marry Prateek, so will it be Loveless marriage? whats the difference between Raman and Prateek? whe she is not feeling anything for Raman? No ownership , no insecurity no jelousy no possesivesnes bang on..
I am so sad to see and read all these, there is one YHM epiosde in my mobile which i watch daily like medicine , March 10 wala,, That Ishita after getting Ramans chits was so cute, that hope desire , shyness 😊


Ishita was there but after accident case she reverted herself to shell again. Perhaps a sudden jolt is all she needs now.
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Originally posted by: sang3241

wow , brilliant post but I am veri sad after reading it...

Actually when you started posting, i was not getting you rpoints bt this post matches my conclusions.I am sad because of Ishita. I dont think she si feeling 10% of what Raman is feeling for her.She is not insecure abt him but Raman is so insecure, sensitive. I cant digest all these.Raman is giving so many hints to her and also doing so many things in action but our madaam is nto getting anything and still belives Raman loves Shagun, he is not over his past , veri good,,, i have read your posts expalining Ishita but honestly i am not convinced at all.She voluntarly agreed to marry Prateek, so will it be Loveless marriage? whats the difference between Raman and Prateek? whe she is not feeling anything for Raman? No ownership , no insecurity no jelousy no possesivesnes bang on..
I am so sad to see and read all these, there is one YHM epiosde in my mobile which i watch daily like medicine , March 10 wala,, That Ishita after getting Ramans chits was so cute, that hope desire , shyness 😊




UGH ... sorry sorry sorry . for making u feel low .. i always hope my posts put a smile on the face of people ... so another sorry to u ..

Ok lemme try helping here ... what i have written is RAMAN's POV .. of what he FELT .. but that does not take into account what ISHITA FELT ..

if u read while u were sleeping .. i wrote there .. she brought Shagun to the one place she knew would offer SECURITY .. her home .. which is BHALLA house ..

CROSS WIRES .. i have actually written these words a lot of times .. while he believes she has not understood his gestures .. she is still living with the thot he is in love with his ex ..
Note the no. of times ... she has built her hopes up with his I LOVE U .. & with him immediately retreating back ..

As a viewer we have not really seen much from what ISHITA feels .. in the beginning of her marriage the words .. AUKAAT .. STAY IN UR LIMITS .. have been drummed into her .. the spectre of Shagun is very much a reality in their lives .. while SUBBU is only a name to contend with ... Its easier for Raman to deal with her past .. since he is NOT FACING HER PAST REGULARLY .. while Ishita at every turn gets to face his past ..

For her to believe in their relation status change she will need to hear it directly .. Note how when she is confused one day dejected .. Bala gives her the KACCHA AAM explanation .. post that day .. she starts seeing Raman with the eyes of a man who has potential to change ..
yet again when she is struggling with seeing the Desire in Raman's eyes ... its bala who categorically reminds her of the change in how she also perceived her husband ...

Ishita as a woman has been so badly battered in LOVE .. that she will need to be told DIRECTLY .. not in the veiled taunts & statements that Raman gives her ..

This is the same woman who was accused of trapping him by him .. this is the same woman who when she came close to him even to apply balm was told ... U need any excuse to touch me .. how is that woman to understand the change in dynamics .. till someone ACTUALLY SPELLS IT OUT TO HER ..


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