'Grow up, Yamini'

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Posted: 11 years ago
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My fav. line of today's epi😆...or to be more precise, my fav. rant of today's epi.


Well, it's a depressing turn of events all around for the story right now...Nikumb moved out of Azam's house and I felt really bad for Azam the way Nikumb broke the news to him...as if that wasn't enough, Azam also gets news that Shaheen's engagement has been fixed...bechara...the ultimate positive and fun character in the show was getting blow after blow today.


Yamini remains clueless, Raghu is milking the whole situation for it's worth...

But I liked the final Nikumb-Yamini scene...misguided as she is, I liked that Yamini clearly talked it out with Nikumb...I loved the way he scoffed at her "this was the best ending" line😆...she says she doesn't know what love is but she imagines that it would be a feeling that would make people overcome any obstacles to be together...that people in love are meant to be together...oh Yamini...what an amazingly naive soul she is *sigh*...sorry but I really identify with Nikumb's point of view more...cynical or whatever one wants to call it...when he told her to GROW UP...I was like BANG ON...she REALLY needs to get her head out of the clouds.

That said, I also don't feel that there is no such thing as a happy ending...Nikumb ofcourse takes it to the other extreme when he says there are no happy endings and in the end there is nothing left...do both of them look happy right now? Do they have even friendship left b/w them? No they don't...to this, Yamini replies that maybe this isn't their ending and they don't have the foresight to know when and how that ending will be...man she's TENACIOUSLY optimistic, haan?😆


Without realizing it consciously, Yamini put herself in Shakuntala's shoes and Nikumb in Dushyant's shoes...and she played out her own version of their happy ending vicariously through the play...it shows in the way she continues to talk about why she did what she did...


Yamini brought about the cracks in this relationship...and Raghu is fiendish enough to use it to his advantage as in the precap he is fake crying in front of Yamini that Nikumb humiliated him...and Yamini is actually believing this *facepalm*

She speaks of Nikumb having trust in her? LOL where is your own trust in him now, Yamini?😆


Frustrated as I feel with Yamini right now, I also pity her...she's just too naive...and the situation overall has now run out of control...she shattered Nikumb's faith in her and things will only get uglier from here on.

On another note, I eagerly await Neelesh Misra's next piece of narration in the show...usually that clarifies the character POVs or where the story is headed...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yet to see the epi...but have to say, i enjoy your posts


So let me start by saying...i am NOT a fangirl nor do i take sides desperately coz i love a certain actor. Though i am beginning to feel like one 😆 And i am glad you are able to empathise with her


BUT somehow i am able to see Yams perspective clearly. Not to say, i agree with it BUT she certainly has a point of view and in that sense very much like Nikumbh.

These are why i think she is what she is...
1. Having a sheltered life all along, she has absolutely no idea of the 'real' world. Lets not forget, raghu only shows/ tells her what she needs for her career. Having said that, she is still the lil girl who believes in 'love' or lau as Nikumbh may refer to😛
2. True that she seems to have carried on her father's traits of doing what she feels right ... Though it is wrong, she knows no better till now. With nikumbh, she is going to realize that you cant change the fate of a play/person according to your whims.
3. Nikumbh's anger has other reasons that She cannot even think. So, she is unable to understand WHY he is so frustrated? Emphasis on the word 'So'...add to that daadi her confidant is not giving her good guidance.
4. I completely agree with Nikumbh's 'grow up yams' line But i dont see that happening with raghu treating her like a lab rat. Also, she is jus in her grad college...young n foolish!



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Anu- I wanted to throw something at Yamini today- BAS- will not say anything after this - she just frustrated me to another level all together!
But I wanted to ask this question- that is what lingered on with me after i saw the episode today and I also asked this to a a writer type of friend of mine- and she's from the 'Nikumb' genre of work.

Say- if Nikumb falls madly in love with Yamini- so then will he stop writing 'real' love stories or say 'sad ending' stories all together? So a 'cynical' person can never write stories with 'happily ever after' endings? And a non-cynic will never write a story with a 'sad ending'?

Does Yamini expect all stories to have 'love conquers all' endings? Maybe thats what she wants to see- and happen to herself- but will she able to put 'herself' outside and just see the 'story' as a whole in itself? And yes the trust issue- KNOWING her father and his 'obvious' dislike towards Nikumb and his penchat to be so offensive- she is now going to believe him?!!!

Mere Azam ka ab dil kyun tod rahein hain- itni jaldi? Ek ko toh hasin khushi rehne dete- kya yaar!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i agree with you dear
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: howcome

Yet to see the epi...but have to say, i enjoy your posts

Res😊



Thank you😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: CyberOstrich

Anu- I wanted to throw something at Yamini today- BAS- will not say anything after this - she just frustrated me to another level all together!

But I wanted to ask this question- that is what lingered on with me after i saw the episode today and I also asked this to a a writer type of friend of mine- and she's from the 'Nikumb' genre of work.

Say- if Nikumb falls madly in love with Yamini- so then will he stop writing 'real' love stories or say 'sad ending' stories all together? So a 'cynical' person can never write stories with 'happily ever after' endings? And a non-cynic will never write a story with a 'sad ending'?

Does Yamini expect all stories to have 'love conquers all' endings? Maybe thats what she wants to see- and happen to herself- but will she able to put 'herself' outside and just see the 'story' as a whole in itself? And yes the trust issue- KNOWING her father and his 'obvious' dislike towards Nikumb and his penchat to be so offensive- she is now going to believe him?!!!

Mere Azam ka ab dil kyun tod rahein hain- itni jaldi? Ek ko toh hasin khushi rehne dete- kya yaar!



@bold: Good points you've raised there...Yamini's thinking is overly simplistic as is the case with many women or the general audience...this perception that only great romantics can write happy or pleasant stories...the mind of a writer is more complicated than that...but the audience generally lacks that perceptiveness to understand human nature. That is not to say a writer's own perceptions don't color whatever he/she writes...they definitely do...they do for Nikumb as well...but a writer is also an observer of many different facets of human nature, not just one...Yamini only wants to focus on one while Nikumb wanted to highlight a different facet through this play which he wasn't allowed to.

In the future, as he falls in love, yes he may write less cynical things...but his writing is not dependent solely on what experience he is going through at the moment...a writer generally has the ability to put himself/herself in the shoes of the character he/she is writing and weave the story accordingly.

Yamini currently lacks the maturity as well as wisdom to understand that there is more to life than whimsical ideas of eternal love and happily ever afters...she overly simplifies love as she wants to perceive it...and watching her, I realize many women think that way...it's not just her...

Look at Daddo...berating Nikumb for thinking negatively and not just writing happy things all the time...this is how many women think...they don't generally want to ponder the overall complexities that can drive an individual's thought process...bas everyone should be happy and flying in joy, that's it...aage peeche, nobody wants to know or be interested in.

Also, getting back to Yamini, she's also shown through this turn of events that she clearly lacks the ability to seperate herself from the character she's playing...not really a promising trait for someone who wants to be an actress.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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You won't believe this but I was about to make a post with the EXACT same title! 😆
Nikumbh said it for me - Yamini ji, please grow up!

Aap ne sach mein duniya nahi dekhi hai! Agar kabhi further education ka khayal aaye, consider psychology! A study of human behaviour, because your understanding of a human being is close to zero. If I liked the Nikumbh-Yamini scene at all, and I did very much, it is because Nikumbh was at his best! His "yeh aapko happy ending lag rahi hai?" was just SO on point. If Yamini had not anticipated this kind of reaction, she is remarkably stupid. It is not that I don't like Yamini for having a very naive sort of optimistic attitude. I get that she believes in a happy happy world and wants everything to end happily. But to force that view by changing something they had all been working on since day 1 to prove a point (and she does believe that she proved it because everybody liked the play) and then trying to justify it because you think you did something outstanding is just first class non-sense!

How would it be if Nikumbh falls in love with her and deliberately leave her in the end so that Yamini can come out of her nicey nice dream world because that is the kind of view he holds? Is that how you make a point? Is that something to even make a point about?

Honestly kahu? Yamini's entire bhashaan on how love is the most khoobsoorat feeling in the world and how love can conquer everything was just getting on my nerves! Not that I don't believe in love but because that is JUST NOT THE POINT here! She may be ultra optimistic but my ultra patience was being tested. How do you expect Nikumbh to believe in happy endings when you just destroyed what would have been a very happy ending for him?!

And for the very first time, the Yamini - Daddu scene made me want to press the fast forward button. What a way to see this! Nikumbh is akru, Nikumbh is the negative person, us ka hi dimaag kharab hai! Have they followed the column at all? If I remember correctly, he has previously also written about trust, giving people second chances. In fact if I remember right, there was this one scene where Daddu kind of ended up going "haye! Kash aise hi koi tujhe mile!" (blushing and all) Very negative! Yeah, right!

Even the first scene where Yamini is talking to the mirror! I am now a little tired of this Yamini-Shakuntala, Shakuntala-Yamini crap! Who is Shakuntala? What is Shakuntala? What does she stand for? Is this what Nikumbh wanted when he made all the effort in bringing out a Shakuntala in her? So that she can never be more than a character and grow up? This is not about any Shakuntala! Shakuntala was just a medium! A way for her to see a few things about herself! This is not about any character. This is about Yamini! The very same Yamini who needs to REALLY grow up! Who needs to see right for right and wrong for wrong! Who needs to open her eyes and see what should be obvious! Who needs to see that her father treats everybody around her, and especially Nikumbh like crap! And she needs to see it as WRONG! Who needs to NOT just walk out because Nikumbh won't get her point of view. I see it as unintentionally manipulating someone! I am sorry if this sounds like a rant but I cannot connect to Yamini at all!

Eventually I think Nikumbh will see that he is really hurt because of what happened a long time ago with the person he loved and and he is now hurting everybody around him. And maybe it will end up with him reciting a poem for the one who truly changed him, made him see the error of his ways (Yamini)?! Chalo at least I may have a poem to look forward to.

I am waiting for Neelesh Misra's tidbit too. It's been a long time. At least his dreamy, beautiful way of narrating makes up for most of the flaws in this show!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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LOL Tanisha, I think it deffo was the line of the epi that stood out for everybody...

I agree with all you've said...I was greatly frustrated with Yamini in the opening mirror monologue and the scene with Daddo too...but as I said in my reply to Shalini above, this is how a lot of women think...I've observed it all around me...so in that sense the writing is not unrealistic...just that I find myself frustrated with such mindsets...

This whole kaun Shakuntala, main Yamini, main Shakuntala, let's have our happy ending business is deffo making my head spin...which is why I badly want a NM narration scene to make sense of all this for me and put in perspective.

Yamini is yet to learn about Nikumb's heartbreak and the reason for his trust issues...let's see if that will bring about any change in her understanding of him...and when she will wake up to her father's manipulations, god only knows.

But as of now, the show is going through a frustrating phase...tough to watch.

Re: Nikumb...yes ultimately he may calm down as he starts to see how his behavior is affecting everyone around him...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: howcome

Yet to see the epi...but have to say, i enjoy your posts


So let me start by saying...i am NOT a fangirl nor do i take sides desperately coz i love a certain actor. Though i am beginning to feel like one 😆 And i am glad you are able to empathise with her


BUT somehow i am able to see Yams perspective clearly. Not to say, i agree with it BUT she certainly has a point of view and in that sense very much like Nikumbh.

These are why i think she is what she is...
1. Having a sheltered life all along, she has absolutely no idea of the 'real' world. Lets not forget, raghu only shows/ tells her what she needs for her career. Having said that, she is still the lil girl who believes in 'love' or lau as Nikumbh may refer to😛
2. True that she seems to have carried on her father's traits of doing what she feels right ... Though it is wrong, she knows no better till now. With nikumbh, she is going to realize that you cant change the fate of a play/person according to your whims.
3. Nikumbh's anger has other reasons that She cannot even think. So, she is unable to understand WHY he is so frustrated? Emphasis on the word 'So'...add to that daadi her confidant is not giving her good guidance.
4. I completely agree with Nikumbh's 'grow up yams' line But i dont see that happening with raghu treating her like a lab rat. Also, she is jus in her grad college...young n foolish!





Nice analysis :-)

Yamini is difficult for me to understand but yes today I could grasp a bit better where she's coming from...which is why I said I pity her...she's a naive, foolish CHILD in many ways...it's only when she starts to act a little extra presumptuous that she irritates me...I'm willing to give her some benefit of doubt until she learns more about Nikumb's past and possibly understands him better.

All this crying and self-pity that she is indulging in right now about how Nikumb doesn't trust her or understand her is also quite obtuse on her part...

Given how daily soaps degenerate in general, I feel wary about whether Yamini will indeed GROW UP or not...but for now as you said...she is young and foolish...and unable to really wisen up to her father's manipulations.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL Tanisha, I think it deffo was the line of the epi that stood out for everybody...

I agree with all you've said...I was greatly frustrated with Yamini in the opening mirror monologue and the scene with Daddo too...but as I said in my reply to Shalini above, this is how a lot of women think...I've observed it all around me...so in that sense the writing is not unrealistic...just that I find myself frustrated with such mindsets...

This whole kaun Shakuntala, main Yamini, main Shakuntala, let's have our happy ending business is deffo making my head spin...which is why I badly want a NM narration scene to make sense of all this for me and put in perspective.

Yamini is yet to learn about Nikumb's heartbreak and the reason for his trust issues...let's see if that will bring about any change in her understanding of him...and when she will wake up to her father's manipulations, god only knows.

But as of now, the show is going through a frustrating phase...tough to watch.

Re: Nikumb...yes ultimately he may calm down as he starts to see how his behavior is affecting everyone around him...


It is a very silly mindset. But yeah, not totally unrealistic. I can understand that. But understanding does not help because I find myself irritated just the same. And if this is the way they want to proceed in the long run- showing Yamini this one-dimensional- truth be told, I don't see myself sticking around for long. That's a shame because this show otherwise has so many reasons to be loved for.

She is not growing. That's my major issue. And a character should grow. I know they want to show her as seedhi saadhi, chhoti chhoti khushiyon ko gale lagani wali woman and that is great. Showing her as static, on the other hand, is not so great.

Maybe after she learns of Nikumbh's issues... Maybe then. Maybe...


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