'Grow up, Yamini' - Page 2

Originally posted by: LoveToLaugh

It is a very silly mindset. But yeah, not totally unrealistic. I can understand that. But understanding does not help because I find myself irritated just the same. And if this is the way they want to proceed in the long run- showing Yamini this one-dimensional- truth be told, I don't see myself sticking around for long. That's a shame because this show otherwise has so many reasons to be loved for.

She is not growing. That's my major issue. And a character should grow. I know they want to show her as seedhi saadhi, chhoti chhoti khushiyon ko gale lagani wali woman and that is great. Showing her as static, on the other hand, is not so great.

Maybe after she learns of Nikumbh's issues... Maybe then. Maybe...

Ditto...I couldn't agree more...the character isn't growing...static is so the word...and I also don't know how/when there will finally be some growth...cuz static doesn't make for much of a viewing experience...every story worth the while has an arc as do the characters in it or it's no story...it might as well just be an abstract on a piece of fruit...

Even I won't be able to hold on much longer if they don't pick things up vis a vis Yamini's character...NM really needs to pitch in more often.

Originally posted by: CyberOstrich

Anu- I wanted to throw something at Yamini today- BAS- will not say anything after this - she just frustrated me to another level all together!

But I wanted to ask this question- that is what lingered on with me after i saw the episode today and I also asked this to a a writer type of friend of mine- and she's from the 'Nikumb' genre of work.

Say- if Nikumb falls madly in love with Yamini- so then will he stop writing 'real' love stories or say 'sad ending' stories all together? So a 'cynical' person can never write stories with 'happily ever after' endings? And a non-cynic will never write a story with a 'sad ending'?

Does Yamini expect all stories to have 'love conquers all' endings? Maybe thats what she wants to see- and happen to herself- but will she able to put 'herself' outside and just see the 'story' as a whole in itself? And yes the trust issue- KNOWING her father and his 'obvious' dislike towards Nikumb and his penchat to be so offensive- she is now going to believe him?!!!

Mere Azam ka ab dil kyun tod rahein hain- itni jaldi? Ek ko toh hasin khushi rehne dete- kya yaar!

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Ditto...I couldn't agree more...the character isn't growing...static is so the word...and I also don't know how/when there will finally be some growth...cuz static doesn't make for much of a viewing experience...every story worth the while has an arc as do the characters in it or it's no story...it might as well just be an abstract on a piece of fruit...

Even I won't be able to hold on much longer if they don't pick things up vis a vis Yamini's character...NM really needs to pitch in more often.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@bold: Good points you've raised there...Yamini's thinking is overly simplistic as is the case with many women or the general audience...this perception that only great romantics can write happy or pleasant stories...the mind of a writer is more complicated than that...but the audience generally lacks that perceptiveness to understand human nature. That is not to say a writer's own perceptions don't color whatever he/she writes...they definitely do...they do for Nikumb as well...but a writer is also an observer of many different facets of human nature, not just one...Yamini only wants to focus on one while Nikumb wanted to highlight a different facet through this play which he wasn't allowed to.

In the future, as he falls in love, yes he may write less cynical things...but his writing is not dependent solely on what experience he is going through at the moment...a writer generally has the ability to put himself/herself in the shoes of the character he/she is writing and weave the story accordingly.

Yamini currently lacks the maturity as well as wisdom to understand that there is more to life than whimsical ideas of eternal love and happily ever afters...she overly simplifies love as she wants to perceive it...and watching her, I realize many women think that way...it's not just her...

Look at Daddo...berating Nikumb for thinking negatively and not just writing happy things all the time...this is how many women think...they don't generally want to ponder the overall complexities that can drive an individual's thought process...bas everyone should be happy and flying in joy, that's it...aage peeche, nobody wants to know or be interested in.

Also, getting back to Yamini, she's also shown through this turn of events that she clearly lacks the ability to seperate herself from the character she's playing...not really a promising trait for someone who wants to be an actress.

You know immature as it may seem to many, Yamini is like any other girl who hasn't experienced love but has an image of it. She truly believes love conquers all and thinks she will go to any length for the guy she loves. And she may do it too. I find her innocence touching.

But if you look at purely from the perspective of art and artist, she wouldn't have done this if she didn't have some sort of feelings for Nikumbh. Do you think she would have changed the ending if Nikumbh did not play Dushyant?

That said, I am not a writer/director but theater is difficult. Even in movies actors don't agree with directors and writers and sometimes they walk out of movies. But in theater the director has even less control on the actors performance. Remember no edits or retakes. You could simply forget a line or completely ruin the show of you re in a bad mood.

Given that Nikumbh has much experience dealing with actors it's surprising he didn't foresee it. Not to mention it hasn't happened to him before with another actor. If he calculated the odds of something going wrong he wouldn't be so terribly hurt as he is now.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Ditto...I couldn't agree more...the character isn't growing...static is so the word...and I also don't know how/when there will finally be some growth...cuz static doesn't make for much of a viewing experience...every story worth the while has an arc as do the characters in it or it's no story...it might as well just be an abstract on a piece of fruit...

Even I won't be able to hold on much longer if they don't pick things up vis a vis Yamini's character...NM really needs to pitch in more often.

Hey guys you are really tough on Yamini. How much can a person grow up in a matter of days? It takes a really bad experience to get rid of your naivety. Look at Azam, he's also wishing for the impossible. How come no one is so irritated with him? He also keeps telling Nikumbh that he should get rid of his negativity. How can you call Yamini's character static? Remember she couldn't even talk to her father or anyone before she learned to stand up for herself. However misguided her action is, Nikumbh should feel proud she could take such a big stand on her own for something she believes in.

Originally posted by: dkmnj

You know immature as it may seem to many, Yamini is like any other girl who hasn't experienced love but has an image of it. She truly believes love conquers all and thinks she will go to any length for the guy she loves. And she may do it too. I find her innocence touching.

But if you look at purely from the perspective of art and artist, she wouldn't have done this if she didn't have some sort of feelings for Nikumbh. Do you think she would have changed the ending if Nikumbh did not play Dushyant?

That said, I am not a writer/director but theater is difficult. Even in movies actors don't agree with directors and writers and sometimes they walk out of movies. But in theater the director has even less control on the actors performance. Remember no edits or retakes. You could simply forget a line or completely ruin the show of you re in a bad mood.

Given that Nikumbh has much experience dealing with actors it's surprising he didn't foresee it. Not to mention it hasn't happened to him before with another actor. If he calculated the odds of something going wrong he wouldn't be so terribly hurt as he is now.

No one is refuting her innocence...it's obvious she changed the ending precisely cuz she started to actually consider herself Shakuntala and Nikumb to be Dushyant...but I'm not a big fan of immaturity...I don't have much patience for it...so while I pity Yamini for being such a foolish child, I don't really feel like mollycoddling her childish fantasies...unless the writers show an evolution in her thought process...and that seems unlikely...but I'd love to be proven wrong.

Yamini seems nowhere close to realizing what wrong she did in all this...she constantly wants Nikumb to understand her, her childish fantasies but where exactly did she empathize with how betrayed and slighted he feels that she took away his play from under his nose? Her inability to see how anyone would view it like that is what is irritating.

You find Yamini's innocence endearing, while I empathize with Nikumb's practicality or cynicism if you want to call it...how can he be blamed for not anticipating that Yamini would change the whole ending on him like that? Ofcourse actors give their inputs but no one improvises to THAT extent...

Yamini has projected whatever burgeoning feelings she has for Nikumb on to the play's ending...but I think it's unfair to expect Nikumb to just play along simply cuz Yamini is flying high in lowe...

Originally posted by: dkmnj

Hey guys you are really tough on Yamini. How much can a person grow up in a matter of days? It takes a really bad experience to get rid of your naivety. Look at Azam, he's also wishing for the impossible. How come no one is so irritated with him? He also keeps telling Nikumbh that he should get rid of his negativity. How can you call Yamini's character static? Remember she couldn't even talk to her father or anyone before she learned to stand up for herself. However misguided her action is, Nikumbh should feel proud she could take such a big stand on her own for something she believes in.

Azam is not as naive as Yamini is...he's optimistic but Yamini takes naivete to another level...also, as far as I can see Azam hasn't FORCED his viewpoint on love and relationships on Shaheen yet, has he?

The only growth Yamini has shown is in her ability to speak up to Nikumb...with her own father, after a brief spark of standing up for herself, she is again sliding back down into being the old Yamini who doesn't manage to get a word out in front of Raghu.

Now the same question can be turned back on you...How much can a person be expected to change overnight? Nikumb has VALID reasons for his cynicism that have developed over the years...how can HE be expected to give those up overnight and start singing praises of eternal love either?

Originally posted by: CyberOstrich

@ bold- Anu brilliantly put! That is what I would imagine a storyweaver would be- of course colored by their own personal experiences but also having the ability of going beyond that- have the ability to put themselves in the shoes of the characters they are writing. Maybe the best stories that come out of them might be the ones that are more attuned to their personal nature. Also its true that more the gravitas, more the pain in ones personal life- more the intensity in stories but on the other hand there are and have been great comedians who are/have been suffering from depression in real life.

I see Nikumb- even after falling in love- writing 'real' stories- maybe a little toned down- but if a story takes the route towards lovers departing at the end organically- I dont see him as the guy who would change it just because he is and has started believing in love! And I dont see Yamini EVER relating to a story with a sad ending- even after she suffers a heartbreak in her own life.

@ red- I know thats the generic view that women are attracted towards the fluff- especially 'happy ending' and being happy and flying in joy as you say- but in my personal experience I meet more and more women who are much more 'cynical' about love and happy endings as such. Surprisingly I meet more men that crave for 'lau' and happy endings! Maybe I meet a lot of women who have given up a lot for the men in their lives and 'love' is just not enough?

Thanks, Shalini :-)

Yes, sometimes the greatest of comedians have suffered through terribly personal tragedies...so there is no simplistic formula to this...every artist has his/her own way of finding that expression within themselves and how they project it also varies from individual to individual...sometimes we have male writers trying to write a female perspective and they are remarkably able to do a pretty good job of it too...same goes for the reverse...so these situations are not dependent on gender or personal philosophies/viewpoints...this very medium is all about learning to see the world through different sets of eyes at different sets of times.

Who knows what Nikumb will write when his time comes...lol...abhi ke liye toh I'm wary enough about HOW they will show that time coming about.

Oh you've met more women who are cynical about love and happy endings? Interesting...these women wouldn't happen to be viewers of your previous fav. show, would they?😆...And MEN craving for lowe and happy endings? hahaha you do hang out with an interesting crowd, Shalini😆...

Fluff is escapist...and I do understand why ppl gravitate towards it too when there are so many problems one has to deal with on a daily level in their personal lives...when that seems like a struggle, one is bound to turn to fluff for escapism even if you may/may not believe in it practically...

Originally posted by: LoveToLaugh

Great points! I honestly hope the writers consider these questions too! It is just such a silly view of things. And if it is a reflection of what the writers feel, then I have nothing to say. But then again, I expect so much more from this show. Please, please, do not disappoint like this!

Right now, Yamini is all muddled up with a totally ajeeb interpretation of Shakuntala. She is so caught up that she cannot step out of the character at all. I am now unable to understand the Shakuntala-Yamini mess! Exactly where they draw the line I cannot see.

I feel SO bad for Azam! Bechara... He is suffering for no fault of his. It was terrible to watch Nikumbh letting him down so badly. Azam is one guy who has stood by him all the time. he deserves a lot better than this. On another note, though, they seem to have spared Azam from being the catalyst for Nikumbh to "realize his mistake" w.r.t. Yamini. Thank God!