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Originally posted by: atominis

Atleast he got chance to prove himself. An outsider wouldn't.

What lot of talented actors? The really talented ones are fewer in comparison to useless ones who got to stick around.

Yeah i agree..I mentioned that in my second post 😆 Star kids definitely have the luxury to fail a couple of times while outsiders are discarded in no time..

I was referring to Kareena, Karishma, Ranbir & Alia 😆

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

True..But a star kid will also be out of work even if they have a spectacular debut like JTYJN if he/ she isn't talented enough to sustain..Star kids get opportunities on a platter but at the end of the day, someone like Ranbir succeeded cos he proved his mettle as an actor..Ranbir pulling off a Rockstar or a Barfi has everything to do with his talent & nothing to do with the fact that he is Raj Kapoor's grandson..I think its really unfair to put down star kids even after they repeatedly prove their mettle as a performer..Nepotism sucks but it has managed to give the industry a lot of really talented actors..

Any actor require the foundation in initial phase there nepotism help in big way. In later phase one will build the base. Its obivious out of say 10 few might fail. They groomed up properly with proper training in everything starting from physic to look to acting and a lot contribute to their success though marketing pr etc. Out of nepotism we may will mediocre stars rather than like of earlier Dev , dilip, amitabh , rajesh etc.

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

True..But a star kid will also be out of work even if they have a spectacular debut like JTYJN if he/ she isn't talented enough to sustain..Star kids get opportunities on a platter but at the end of the day, someone like Ranbir succeeded cos he proved his mettle as an actor..Ranbir pulling off a Rockstar or a Barfi has everything to do with his talent & nothing to do with the fact that he is Raj Kapoor's grandson..I think its really unfair to put down star kids even after they repeatedly prove their mettle as a performer..Nepotism sucks but it has managed to give the industry a lot of really talented actors..

To sustain also one needs good opportunities. Once again to get those second, third opportunities connections come in handy. Thats why BOTH Imran and Ranbir got good opportunities despite their first films...and the better one did better. But someone like Rajkumar Rao 'leaves' a potential hit film and might be replaced by a starkid despite a National Award.

Any girl in Karishma's place wouldn't even get work with such looks and dressing sense that shd had earlier. 😆 An outsider has to be a beauty queen like Ash or Sush whereas star kid can be skinny, beetle browed, screechy voice yet keep getting work till they finally improve and get a makeover.

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

Yeah i agree..I mentioned that in my second post 😆 Star kids definitely have the luxury to fail a couple of times while outsiders are discarded in no time..

I was referring to Kareena, Karishma, Ranbir & Alia 😆

Of these four only Ranbir is considered a good actor and a successful star in reality(I a not talking of IF). Karisma was always criticized for her acting as well as looks though towards the end she did give a few critically acclaimed performances but she never really reached Madhuri, Sri level of success. And given the way she looked would she have ever got a chance if she wasnt a Kapoor? Kareena is overhyped on this forum while in reality no one will land up in the cinema hall just for her. And it was primarily her connections which helped her sustain her long career. Alia is too new to pass a judgement. There have been stars who have had big hits at the start and faded out.

Originally posted by: RockChicGirl

To sustain also one needs good opportunities. Once again to get those second, third opportunities connections come in handy. Thats why BOTH Imran and Ranbir got good opportunities despite their first films...and the better one did better. But someone like Rajkumar Rao 'leaves' a potential hit film and might be replaced by a starkid despite a National Award.

Honestly i agree with everything you guys are saying..Starkids definitely get better opportunities ( Alia has been flooded with offers though Yami had the better debut) and they have the luxury to fail too because they are backed by industry bigwigs..My only point was that i have seen star kids being pulled down a lot of times even after they have proven their mettle..I saw so many saying Alia is doing well cos she is backed by KJo..Yes, its true but did Karan act on her behalf in Highway or 2 States? At the end of the day, its her talent & her hardwork right? Same with Ranbir..I agree with all you guys that he got an SLB film as his debut only because he is a Kapoor..And he would have disappeared from Bollywood after such a disastrous debut if he were an outsider..Agreed..My only point is that he eventually did prove himself & made perfect use of all the opportunities provided to him..His talent, acting caliber, script sense- thats all his..You cant take that away by saying he is a Kapoor right? Thats the only point i was trying to make..I agree with everything else you said :)

Originally posted by: RockChicGirl

Of these four only Ranbir is considered a good actor and a successful star in reality(I a not talking of IF). Karisma was always criticized for her acting as well as looks though towards the end she did give a few critically acclaimed performances but she never really reached Madhuri, Sri level of success. And given the way she looked would she have ever got a chance if she wasnt a Kapoor? Kareena is overhyped on this forum while in reality no one will land up in the cinema hall just for her. And it was primarily her connections which helped her sustain her long career. Alia is too new to pass a judgement. There have been stars who have had big hits at the start and faded out.

Actually i was just talking about their acting prowess..Not their BO pull or stardom 😆 And its just my opinion that Kareena is a really good actress..She has the tendency to overact but she is an absolute natural IMO..I know you don think the same way 😆 With Alia, well i found her really impressive in 2 States & she seems to be getting a lot of positive reviews for HSKD, so i added her to the list..I know its too early & she has a lot to prove 😆

Originally posted by: rogerrocks

Honestly i agree with everything you guys are saying..Starkids definitely get better opportunities ( Alia has been flooded with offers though Yami had the better debut) and they have the luxury to fail too because they are backed by industry bigwigs..My only point was that i have seen star kids being pulled down a lot of times even after they have proven their mettle..I saw so many saying Alia is doing well cos she is backed by KJo..Yes, its true but did Karan act on her behalf in Highway or 2 States? At the end of the day, its her talent & her hardwork right? Same with Ranbir..I agree with all you guys that he got an SLB film as his debut only because he is a Kapoor..And he would have disappeared from Bollywood after such a disastrous debut if he were an outsider..Agreed..My only point is that he eventually did prove himself & made perfect use of all the opportunities provided to him..His talent, acting caliber, script sense- thats all his..You cant take that away by saying he is a Kapoor right? Thats the only point i was trying to make..I agree with everything else you said :)

The bold bit is true. He didnt act for her in the film. But did everything else for her. Promoted her, got her films when critics panned her and then promoted her even more when she did well. Then she had her own parents, whole family to advise her. All this matters a lot in the sort of industry BW is. A non-starkid would have to do all this by herself. Perhaps take years to learn on the job if she is somehow able to sustain despite bad films and roles.
I guess if this was a level playing field like cricket for instance no one would have complained. No one complains Salman or Aamir are starkids...thats because BW was lot more open to outsiders like SRK, Akshay, Sunil Shetty in their times than it is now.

Originally posted by: RockChicGirl

The bold bit is true. He didnt act for her in the film. But did everything else for her. Promoted her, got her films when critics panned her and then promoted her even more when she did well. Then she had her own parents, whole family to advise her. All this matters a lot in the sort of industry BW is. A non-starkid would have to do all this by herself. Perhaps take years to learn on the job if she is somehow able to sustain despite bad films and roles.
I guess if this was a level playing field like cricket for instance no one would have complained. No one complains Salman or Aamir are starkids...thats because BW was lot more open to outsiders like SRK, Akshay, Sunil Shetty in their times than it is now.

Am not even sure if Imtiaz took her for Highway cos Karan or Ranbir recommended her or cos he genuinely saw potential in her..Cos if he were to go by recommendations, he would have defo cast Kareena in LAK cos Saif was the producer and he was hell bent on replacing DP..But Imtiaz stuck to his choice and din give in..So this makes me think he cast Alia only because he was convinced she would suit the role..Of course, Karan goes out of the way to promote her and she gets half her films thanks to him..My only point was that its your talent that sustains at the end of the day..You cant force the audience to like an actor, can you? If that were the case, Abhishek would be a superstar now..Star kids are given loads of opportunities but only the talented ones succeed at the end of the day..Ranbir has fans not because he is a Kapoor but because ppl see something in him/ like his acting skills..Why just star kids? Katrina initially made it only because of Salman..If not for his help, she would have disappeared from Bollywood..But can you credit all her success & stardom to Salman? At the end of the day, ppl liked her cos they saw something in her..Dancing, sex appeal, looks whatever 😆 Thats all am saying..I agree with everything else you said..All am saying is there are those star kids who made perfect use of all the opportunities and are probably a lot more talented than the outsiders who have managed to succeed too.. You cant take that away from them, can you?

Originally posted by: atominis

It's mettle not metal.

An ordinary guy would have been out of work if he had a debut like Saawariya.

as long aa u got what I meant its ok with me since English is not my language