Karna did cut abhimanyu's bow 4m behind

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Posted: 11 years ago
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hey,this is my first topic in here...so pls tell me if i have broken any rule regarding anything..but one of my friend(who was refering to KMG Translation) was saying that karna actually did not attack abhimanyu 4m behind..he cut his(abhimanyu's) bow with "shaft well shot".But d sanskrit slokas say otherwise...check it out ..here is d link...http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/mbs/mbs07047.htm...sloka no. 29 & 31.In 29,drona specifically advised karna to'hit him 4m behind'...saying "paschat praharanam kuru' & in 31 karna did it.I am by no means a 'karna hater' or anything ..so please don't pounce on me..just stating what i read & its pretty obvious that a warrior lyk karna won't need anyone's advice to know 'cutting a warrior's bow is a major matter of inconvenience 4 dat person'..so definitely something 'off d book' happened.apologies in advance once again if hurt someone's feeling

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I checked your link - the numbering on your chapter seems different from the KMG translation. You cited chapter 47, but that covers his death. The previous chapter has what you are referring to

The Karna, the son of Vikartana, said unto Drona, 'Abhimanyu grindeth us all. Tell us the means by which we may slay him.' Thus addressed, the mighty bowman, Drona, addressing them all, said, 'Observing him with vigilance, have any of you been able to detect any defeat in this youth? He is careening in all directions. Yet have any of you been able to detect today the least hole in him? Behold the lightness of hand and quickness of motion of this lion among men, this son of Arjuna. In the track of his car, only his bow drawn to a circle can be seen, so quickly is he aiming his shafts and so quickly is he letting them off. Indeed, this slayer of hostile heroes, viz., the son of Subhadra, gratifieth me although he afflicteth my vital breath and stupefieth me with shafts. Even the mightiest car-warriors, filled with wrath, are unable to detect any flaw in him. The son of Subhadra, therefore, careering on the field of battle, gratifieth me greatly. I do not see that in battle there is any difference between the wielder of Gandiva himself and this one of great lightness of hand, filling all the points of the horizon with his mighty shafts.' Hearing these words, Karna, afflicted with the shafts of Arjuna's son, once more said unto Drona, 'Exceedingly afflicted with the shafts of Abhimanyu, I am staying in battle, only because (as a warrior) I should stay here. Indeed, the arrows of this south of great energy are exceedingly fierce. Terrible as they are and possessed of the energy of fire, these arrows are weakening my heart.' The preceptor then, slowly and with a smile, said unto Karna, 'Abhimanyu is young, his prowess is great. His coat of mail is impenetrable. This one's father had been taught by me the method of wearing defensive armour. This subjugator of hostile towns assuredly knoweth the entire science (of wearing armour). With shafts well shot, you can, however, cut off his bow, bow-string, the reins of his steeds, the steeds themselves, and two Parshni charioteers. O mighty bowman, O son of Radha, if competent, do this. Making him turn back from the fight (by this means), strike him then. With his bow in hand he is incapable of being vanquished by the very gods and the Asuras together. If you wish, deprive him of his car, and divest him of his bow.'. Hearing these words of the preceptor, Vikartana's son Karna quickly cut off, by means of his shafts, the bow of Abhimanyu, as the latter was shooting with great activity. He, of Bhoja's race (viz., Kritavarman) then slew his steeds, and Kripa slew his two Parshni charioteers. The others covered him with showers of arrows after he had been divested of his bow. Those six great car-warriors, with great speed, when speed was so necessary, ruthlessly covered that carless youth, fighting single-handed with them, with showers of arrows


I checked out your link, those verses, and here is what they had:

29 etat kuru mahevsa rdheya yadi akyate
athaina vimukhktya pact praharaa kuru
30 sadhanuko na akyo 'yam api jetu sursurai
viratha vidhanuka ca kuruvaina yadcchasi
31 tad cryavaca rutv karo vaikartanas tvaran
asyato laghuhastasya patkair dhanur cchinat


So which term above indicates that Karna broke his bow from behind? Even though Drona suggested it, does it automatically follow that Karna did it, if it's not mentioned in verse 31?

(Hope you don't take this as pouncing - I'm just trying to determine whether the original actually has Karna breaking the bow from behind, as claimed in both the ACK Abhimanyu, as well as Rajaji's MB)
Edited by .Vrish. - 11 years ago
runi17 thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
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@vrish...actually i have read this slokas & their meaning in an old bengali mazine (in an article on abhimanyu".so i looked up in google to find out if they actually exist or not..this is what i came across..did u copy it 4m dat page?d 29th one says 'pact praharaa kuru.' "paschat' as in 4m behind.31st one was also quoted & translated as such..'then on hearing this 4m acharya karna cut d bow 4m behind his back".My sanskrit knowledge is not dat of an expert by any means..this is what i understood 4m my basic knowledge.I can be wrong actually but i thought d book is not.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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It looks like in verse 29, Drona did suggest 'paschat' which is behind, but in verse 31, it's less clear. My copying didn't come clean, since the translation used a lot of accented characters, not supported on I-F
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

It looks like in verse 29, Drona did suggest 'paschat' which is behind, but in verse 31, it's less clear. My copying didn't come clean, since the translation used a lot of accented characters, not supported on I-F


In verse 31, tad cryavaca rutv karo(then following acharya's vachan,karna),vaikartanas tvaran
asyato laghuhastasya patkair dhanur cchinat(cuts d bowstring with shaft wellshot).Besides if he could do it by fair means,would he just stand there & get shot without doing it before.Did he have to follow'acharya's advice'?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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In verse 31 that you described..its not mentioned that he cuts from behind..I cud only understand from your translation as I don't have Sanskrit knowledge much...as far as following orders of drona...wasn't that's what a fighting warrior has to do...like follow what commander says...what's wrong in that...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Just curious to know how can a bow be cut from behind when abhi is supposed to hold it in front of his body...if he was aiming with it🤔
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riti4u

In verse 31 that you described..its not mentioned that he cuts from behind..I cud only understand from your translation as I don't have Sanskrit knowledge much...as far as following orders of drona...wasn't that's what a fighting warrior has to do...like follow what commander says...what's wrong in that...


I never said anything about doing wrong,just said he cut it from behind.right or wrong is a matter of debate & matter of perspective.Ofcourse he followed commander's orders,wasn't his idea originally.But it clearly says according to acharya's order.& i just posted it as it is.If u think i m making d meaning up,u can ask someone who is expert unlike me as i mentioned already.iI never said he committed a 'heineous crime" by doing what he was told.so,.plz dont take offence.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Oh no no I am not taking offense. . please don't think that ..
I was just curious to know why he gets blamed here ...see there can be many interpretations of shlokas in my view. One view may say that drona said from behind ,to cut his bow ..I hope u get my point...anyways thanks for Sharing shloks .. :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riti4u

Just curious to know how can a bow be cut from behind when abhi is supposed to hold it in front of his body...if he was aiming with it🤔


May b d qstn is meant to be rhetorical & sarcastic,but I think its possible,he doesn't necessarily has to be perpendicularly behind,just to be in a position where abhi isn't dreading an attack from.Anyway,i don't have unlimited post limit according to this forum's rules.I am not trying to convince u anything ,just saying,i m convinced dis is how i think it is.u can certainly beliv as u wish.😊
Edited by runi17 - 11 years ago

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