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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: indi52



7am, i am standing and gaping at your comment.

indu, thank you.

had to wake up early, thought i'd check the thread and i read this... indu, i am touched and moved and totally thrilled you enjoyed the vm so much.

couldn't agree with you more about what you say of asr khushi and music. they don't need an additional layer, not really. especially if you want to delve into the love story, the emotions. somehow between there acting and raju singh's unbelievably good music for a serial, everything is there, all the music you need.

and their shots... uff, if one is a good storyteller, there's just so so much in their shots them selves.

the whole forced wedding thing throws me into disarray and delight... i don't know if i'll ever get the right words to describe those. this proposal... beautifully directed and shot and presented but just look at the actors telling the tale of their characters. barun sobti's voice... his bursts of expression then the closing up of the face. the incredulity on khushi's face turning to consternation and then dawning horror... but there's always more... so much.

that's what made sure i could hate no one while this hateful thing went on... you felt the layer of another set opf emotions beneath. ufff.

thanks so much and if i do get a bit of these two characters, i am so grateful.

i thoroughly loved making this vm. if i had more knowledge and skill, bet it could have been even better. the raw material is excruciatingly good.



Indi, this piece is truly at a different level. You know an idea/ concept truly changes everything.. just to see that moment as a proposal and being able to present it with the undercurrent and unspoken is brilliant..
I watched it at work yesterday and was overwhelmed and had to immediately comment. On a leisure view there are so many I missed.. two things I cant seem to get over...

1. like Inspired said the moment at 3.30 and how you layered it with his confession.. he is pushing her into these harrowing depths yet at the same time that heart stopping vulnerability on seeing her tears and what exactly he would said/ did perhaps given life/ situations treated them better... a candid confession soothing her all the way..

2. how you put the rhapsodic precursor of their love song "he he .. ye he he" when he held her hand albeit roughly and pulled her along with him.. Panigrahanam .. accepting one's beloved hand as an established methods of wedding from eons.. like gandharva. It was a ritual completed in sheer pain and torment for both and being able to see/ present it as their precious moment of unison.. beautiful!
That disarray and delight .. captured brilliantly through out..
Will stop before this applause gets suffocating
Yes, everything is laid out there brilliantly already .. it only needs some one sew them skilfully..
Where the actors ended and these two started still hard to decipher..


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: InspiredSoul


First of all, can I hug you? You, ARE, my most favorite writer on this forum - for the way you get ASR. And now my admiration for you went up a few more notches higher! Your understanding of the character of ASR reflects - like a reflection in a clear mirror - in this beautiful VM.
As for this VM - I don't have enough words to praise.

His expressions at 3.30-3.40 when she agrees to marry - a clenching of his jaw due to his tight control on his emotions, a gulp indicating the cry of love he swallowed in before it escaped his lips, a fluttering and a blink of his eyelids in pain on seeing her tears, a breath expelled in relief that she will be his', and that expression on his face - a kaleidoscope - of his disgust at his own self, his love for her that can't seem to diminish, his anger for the way fate again played with his life, his anguish for finally declaring his love for her wrapped in hate and pain ...

That moment filled with those minute fleeting expressions on his face is enough for me - I don't need an entire serial or thousands of episodes - that moment captured the essence of his character and his love for her!

All I could see in that proposal was a helpless man hopelessly, irrevocably in love, who till the last drop of his bleeding soul, would do everything in his power to keep his love - and a selfless woman who gives herself up to this man because her love is unconditional and even if it is hateful, it is still a life with him ...

It is so easy to die in love - like a Heer-Ranjha, like a Laila-Majnu, like a Romeo-Juliet - but to live for your love and for the one you love, through everything that life throws at you, that for me is the ultimate love - the love of Arnav-Khushi ...

And in the presence of such powerful, eternal love, there is no need for superfluous words such as "I Love You" or "Will You Marry Me." ...

Thank you, for capturing these moments and creating a masterpiece that I will watch again and again!

- IS



Inspired, glad to see you here my friend. This is a brilliant piece .. isn't it.. exactly the way we (would like to) see that man and that dark wedding..

Thank you for mentioning that precise moment at 3.30 ...the myriad emotions engulfing him.. the way you did..beautiful capture. The underlying connotation. his unguarded inability to see her with any one.. perhaps in the heat of the moment he didn't realize that striking truth .since that frenzied middle of the road "ofcousre farq padtha hai dammit" .. his literal ascent up the stairs that day to the terrace .. of his brazen possessiveness for her..

And what you said about their peerless love .. beautiful..

Miss your writings Inspired..


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Posted: 11 years ago
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indu,

thanks again.

as i wrote to inspired soul, i had missed that look laced with heartstopping love and at the same time anguish at having to put her through this. never liked to see her down, giving up... in 101, when she cries she can't do this any more... you can clearly see he does not like to watch her give in or give up. always wants to see her strong, triumphant...

i had been thinking of doing this and how, etc., but when i noticed that shot, i just felt i heard one of his several utterings of i love you to her, all unheard, many not even clearly understood by him.

i knew that dialogue came on this shot... it was a good feeling.

panigrahanam, i will read, thanks for this lovely reference. there was something terribly touching in the way he held her hand and kept her with him. felt like an angry, tempestuous promise... i will be there hamesha. you belong to me... mine.

and really what did the actors take it all to.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: indi52



okay, before i turn the entire comment pink, inspired soul, i am speechless at what you say. thank you for liking my writing. you really like the way i see asr? he is just such a man. both timeless and of this moment... and the layers in him, endless. he reaches me, no idea why.. sometimes i think, surely soem good will come of all this madness.

you know that 3:30 point you mention, uff what a moment and how he split every strand of the overriding emotion there. i had actually missed that on many viewings (yeah, i miss things all the time, maybe because i am so flying madly inside, i can't concentrate 😆)... but a few days back suddenly i saw it and i think that is where this vm idea got started. so clearly the feeling you beautifully described was portrayed. oh i love the way you write... a kaleidoscope, yes always that, myriad and yet one. everything there in this proposal was love. in all its shades and demands.

and for that comment about lovers who did not die but lived through all of it... are you my twin? and this one i totally want to hug you back for. a quote read as a teenager that often plays back in my mind... "it takes courage to live not to die."

most big love stories end on death and a clinging sense of tragedy. even my so fave "love story". but here no one had to die. no tragedy, a sense of pure joy, euphoria. something indomitable. there's a touching of the true nature of love in ipk that always floored me. and many things delved into were entirely true and inspired. to live with each other and face the full shebang of love... yes, that is what made it the ultimate love story, to use your word.

thanks for watching and i hope i did pm my latest chapters to you...
🤗



Love that quote - "it takes courage to live not to die" - I think, leaving aside everything else, the one thing that I truly liked in ASR is what I admire in the men in my life too - the courage to deal with the pain, hardships, drudgery, heartbreaks that life throws at you without feeling the need to dull or dilute that with either alcohol, smoke or drugs. It takes courage to not just live, but to live while experiencing the entire rainbow of emotions with equanimity.
The two men I love - my father and my hubby - are like that. You may call me old fashioned, or a prude, or opinionated, but I love a man who faces his fears and pain without resorting to the dulling haze of alcohol. And I loved it that ASR was never shown drinking or smoking or dallying. He faced everything head on, never cowered in a corner, nor did he ever indulge in self pity. He shouted, screamed, cried, but still went on living - taking care of his Di, working, and living with Khushi in the same room - he never ran away - either from his responsibilities or from his bleeding heart. Same with Khushi - she always bounced back - resilient, full of spirit, and when she could not, she still accepted the pain with a dignity that made me want to give a standing ovation.

Well, I think I am going off tangent here, and entering controversial waters!

These two characters and their love story - have so much to teach - if only we can manage to take eyes off their sizzling chemistry 😊

Hugs back to you, Indi - your twin - I would be honored!
I found two soul sisters on this forum - Ipoona and Horizon, and now you! 😊





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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Horizon



Inspired, glad to see you here my friend. This is a brilliant piece .. isn't it.. exactly the way we (would like to) see that man and that dark wedding..

Thank you for mentioning that precise moment at 3.30 ...the myriad emotions engulfing him.. the way you did..beautiful capture. The underlying connotation. his unguarded inability to see her with any one.. perhaps in the heat of the moment he didn't realize that striking truth .since that frenzied middle of the road "ofcousre farq padtha hai dammit" .. his literal ascent up the stairs that day to the terrace .. of his brazen possessiveness for her..

And what you said about their peerless love .. beautiful..

Miss your writings Inspired..



Indu,

I am glad I chanced upon this post! Oh, you don't know how much I miss writing on ASR and Khushi - but more than that, I miss Ipoona, you and reliving!
I miss your poignant poems that encapsulate their moments so beautifully, and Ipoona's breathtaking descriptions that make ASR and Khushi and their sizzling chemistry come alive!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautiful job on this one, Indi! Keep it up.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: InspiredSoul


Love that quote - "it takes courage to live not to die" - I think, leaving aside everything else, the one thing that I truly liked in ASR is what I admire in the men in my life too - the courage to deal with the pain, hardships, drudgery, heartbreaks that life throws at you without feeling the need to dull or dilute that with either alcohol, smoke or drugs. It takes courage to not just live, but to live while experiencing the entire rainbow of emotions with equanimity.
The two men I love - my father and my hubby - are like that. You may call me old fashioned, or a prude, or opinionated, but I love a man who faces his fears and pain without resorting to the dulling haze of alcohol. And I loved it that ASR was never shown drinking or smoking or dallying. He faced everything head on, never cowered in a corner, nor did he ever indulge in self pity. He shouted, screamed, cried, but still went on living - taking care of his Di, working, and living with Khushi in the same room - he never ran away - either from his responsibilities or from his bleeding heart. Same with Khushi - she always bounced back - resilient, full of spirit, and when she could not, she still accepted the pain with a dignity that made me want to give a standing ovation.

Well, I think I am going off tangent here, and entering controversial waters!

These two characters and their love story - have so much to teach - if only we can manage to take eyes off their sizzling chemistry 😊

Hugs back to you, Indi - your twin - I would be honored!
I found two soul sisters on this forum - Ipoona and Horizon, and now you! 😊







um, the sizzling chemistry may end up being the wise teacher 😳... otherwise deep meaningful things are so hard to accept and make part of life, easy to speak of... yet actually live it? but thanks to that chemistry one would remember and then recall the stuff that makes so many things in ipk worth having in one's life, makes it all asppiurational.

taught us about love really, this silly serial. if we recall even a fraction of what we saw and applied it in our lives when the problems come, would be sure to not just help but lead us toward invaluable things.

i agree, inspired soul, these two are absolutely inspiring. even with lavanya... there was a sense of a gentleman there... and when he realised he was not doing the right thing, given the strange sensations set up by an ajeeb ladki, he did the instantly took responsibility and acted there too... broke off with la but not without realising he had somewhere even without meaning to, not been fair. always a nobility about this character. always. i just saw the i hate you scene. the chemistry was sizzling and so were the two characters and their strength, their torment, their love, the million little indescribable things that make them real.

i am so glad the two most important men in your life are like that. huge shades of this man in men in my life too... yes, you cannot run away from the hell life metes out. you have to face, enter, handle, endure, get above. when you do with your hard effort and your sincerest love, minus the haze inducing stuff, something terrifically glorious in it. oh the duty toward khushi, though he did in some part of him hate her.

both indu and ipoona are so sharp in sensing and tracking asr... good to hear you all are friends. and i am thrilled to meet someone who loves asr as i do.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Totally agree with you - the sizzling chemistry being the wise teacher!

You know, I read once - an article in a scientific journal somewhere - about the neuroscience behind experiencing love and hate. I talked about it in my write up about the "I hate you" scene. (The link for that thread is at the bottom of my post, if you have time to read it 😊. That scene is such a brilliant declaration of love - it takes my breath away!

And the sene where he goes to bring Khushi home - his dialogue - 'itna easy hai tumhare liye' - brought tears to my eyes.

Never thought I would watch a soap - and I would have laughed if someone told me an year back that I would fall in life long love with a love story and it's characters!

Where are your other vm's, by the way? Would love to watch them.
Yes, I am getting your pm's - thank you - love reading your stories - are you getting mine for Submerged?

Hugs.
IS

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Posted: 11 years ago
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inspired soul,

yes, got submerged pms, will start reading shortly... looking forward. just saw i hate you and felt the crazy love... in both.

itta easy hai tumhare liye... the first august fight, i bled with the two and made my husband see the fight... exactly like ours i said to him. the complex nature of an emotion as demanding, overwhelming, killing and perhaps liberating as love, can't blame most shows for taking the easy pasty sweet route... ipk bravely went where only fools will dare to go and i am delighted, indebted for that... minus those two actors, though, and no matter how well you did the rest of it... would have been impossible.

i want to read about your i hate you take... lemme go find it.

have just made a couple of vms, playing with this new thing... the links:


arshi vm: flight

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/108044993

arshi vm: bairiyaa
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/108361829

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