Jodha Akbar: A few novel ideas?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Random Sunday musings (again 😆)

Of late, you have seen me mixing Jodha Akbar with my love for music. Another love of mine is Jane Austen and other 19th century novels. Pride and Prejudice is one of my favorites and I am a member of the a supposed imaginary club of people that claim to know its dialogues by heart. 😆

Ekta Kapoor often says she and her teams are often inspired by Jane Austen, for example her latest serial Kumkum Bhagya is inspired by Sense and Sensibility.

But, there were two recent things that struck me as reminding me of Pride and Prejudice and wanted to share in case it occurred to anyone else.

(1) Jalal's help in Shivani's elopement and its role in convincing Jodha of his love and Lydia's elopement with Wickham

Yes, this is one of the tracks I absolutely hated- The Shivani elopement and subsequent forgiveness. But, it reminded me quite a bit of the Lydia-Wickham track.

Particularly, Liz Bennett's reflection on how Darcy could help Wickham, and potentially accept him as his brother-in-law and how she was proud of him that he gotten the better of himself. Here is an excerpt of that dialogue / reflection from Liz and I have underlined what I felt were the most relevant portions ... If this was indeed the inspiration for CVs , I wish they had given more dialogues to Jodha as well like this.

Chapter 52, Pride And Prejudice

Liz Bennett: "The vague and unsettled suspicions which uncertainty had produced of what Mr. Darcy might have been doing to forward her sister's match, which she had feared to encourage as an exertion of goodness too great to be probable, and at the same time dreaded to be just, from the pain of obligation, were proved beyond their greatest extent to be true! He had followed them purposely to town, he had taken on himself all the trouble and mortification attendant on such a research; in which supplication had been necessary to a woman whom he must abominate and despise, and where he was reduced to meet, frequently meet, reason with, persuade, and finally bribe, the man whom he always most wished to avoid, and whose very name it was punishment to him to pronounce. He had done all this for a girl whom he could neither regard nor esteem. Her heart did whisper that he had done it for her. But it was a hope shortly checked by other considerations, and she soon felt that even her vanity was insufficient, when required to depend on his affection for her"for a woman who had already refused him"as able to overcome a sentiment so natural as abhorrence against relationship with Wickham. Brother-in-law of Wickham! Every kind of pride must revolt from the connection. He had, to be sure, done much. She was ashamed to think how much. But he had given a reason for his interference, which asked no extraordinary stretch of belief. It was reasonable that he should feel he had been wrong; he had liberality, and he had the means of exercising it; and though she would not place herself as his principal inducement, she could, perhaps, believe that remaining partiality for her might assist his endeavours in a cause where her peace of mind must be materially concerned. It was painful, exceedingly painful, to know that they were under obligations to a person who could never receive a return. They owed the restoration of Lydia, her character, every thing, to him. Oh! how heartily did she grieve over every ungracious sensation she had ever encouraged, every saucy speech she had ever directed towards him. For herself she was humbled; but she was proud of him. Proud that in a cause of compassion and honour, he had been able to get the better of himself. "

(2) Jalal owing everything he was and his transformation to Jodha before their SR and this dialogue by Darcy to Liz after she admits her love for him. Again underlining the most relevant portions.

Chapter 58, Pride and Prejudice:

Darcy: "As a child I was taught what was right, but I was not taught to correct my temper. I was given good principles, but left to follow them in pride and conceit. Unfortunately an only son (for many years an only child), I was spoilt by my parents, who, though good themselves (my father, particularly, all that was benevolent and amiable), allowed, encouraged, almost taught me to be selfish and overbearing; to care for none beyond my own family circle; to think meanly of all the rest of the world; to wish at least to think meanly of their sense and worth compared with my own. Such I was, from eight to eight and twenty; and such I might still have been but for you, dearest, loveliest Elizabeth! What do I not owe you! You taught me a lesson, hard indeed at first, but most advantageous. By you, I was properly humbled. I came to you without a doubt of my reception. You showed me how insufficient were all my pretensions to please a woman worthy of being pleased."

(3) And another interesting factoid:


I was fortunate enough to take an amazing class in college called the "The 19th Century Novel." The professor explained how in the 19th century that it was not common for the woman to directly praise or be physically attracted to the man ...hence, when Liz is praising his grounds of Pemberley ... Was actually symbolic of her praising Darcy and falling in love with him. Liz as much admits the same in the following dialogue with her sister Jane:

Chapter 59, Pride and Prejudice:

Jane Bennettd "My dearest sister, now be serious. I want to talk very seriously. Let me know every thing that I am to know, without delay. Will you tell me how long you have loved him?"

Liz: "It has been coming on so gradually, that I hardly know when it began. But I believe I must date it from my first seeing his beautiful grounds at Pemberley."

While I do not think this was the intent of the CVs, I couldn't help chuckle that this is similar to how the CVs always showed Jodha praising the symbols of Jalal - like his reforms and laws more than the man directly. Each reform / law he passed , made her fall further in love with him ... With the abolishment of the pilgrimage tax being the last one.

In conclusion:

The purpose of this post was not to compare the Jodha Akbar serial with the classic novel Pride and Prejudice. I am also not saying the CVs have executed the inspirations from various novel amazingly well ... But I for sure think the CVs are inspired by the novels.

So, I thought it would be a fun weekend past time to highlight some novels or scenes from novels the CVs should read to get some good inspiration.

I will choose one from Pride and Prejudice itself ... After both have confessed their love for each other, Liz and Darcy have a beautiful, light-hearted reflection on how and when they fell in love with each other ... I would love to hear that from both Jalal and Jodha.

Any novel ideas to share with the CVs? (Pun intended indeed) 😉



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very nice Divi.. reading the letter from Darcy to Elizabeth was possibly the best bit of it..
though loosely, it does suit our serial..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good one, Divya... I haven't thought in those lines before but now I do find similarities in Liz and Jodha's family relationships as well... Sukanya is like Jane and Bharmal is none other than Mrs. Bennet - selfish/ambitious 😆 Sukanya's husband is influenced by his father before marriage and Mr. Bingley was influenced by Darcy... The CV's are sure finding the tracks from the novel...😆😆
On serious note, your three points are bang on 👍🏼.

(1) Jalal's help in Shivani's elopement and its role in convincing Jodha of his love and Lydia's elopement with Wickham


Every kind of pride must revolt from the connection

Soo ture... even more in Jalal's case for a Shahenshah to accept a karegar as a member of family...

For herself she was humbled; but she was proud of him. Proud that in a cause of compassion and honour, he had been able to get the better of himself

such internal musing of Jodha regarding the change in Jalal would have gone a long way... she knew how much Jalal felt bad for Mirza's condition (crying in his sleep) after Shivani's elopment... atleast few thoughts here and there would have been enough to appease us.. sometimes it feels like we are hoping for something that is unimaginable in CV's dictionary...

(2) Jalal owing everything he was and his transformation to Jodha before their SR and this dialogue by Darcy to Liz after she admits her love for him. Again underlining the most relevant portions.

Such I was, from eight to eight and twenty; and such I might still have been but for you, dearest, loveliest Elizabeth! What do I not owe you! You taught me a lesson, hard indeed at first, but most advantageous. By you, I was properly humbled.

Just few simple sentences and the message is so beautifully conveyed... simply love them...

(3) And another interesting factoid:

Liz: "It has been coming on so gradually, that I hardly know when it began. But I believe I must date it from my first seeing his beautiful grounds at Pemberley."

...Jodha praising the symbols of Jalal - like his reforms and laws more than the man directly. Each reform / law he passed , made her fall further in love with him ... With the abolishment of the pilgrimage tax being the last one.

Good observation, Divya... I hope Jalal doesn't stop putting forth any new reforms now that Jodha has declared her love 😉

I sincerely hope the CV's don't think abt Mr. Bingley's sister Caroline and introduce a track abt Sukanya's marital problems or another jealousy track..
Edited by Priya_nv - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lashy

Very nice Divi.. reading the letter from Darcy to Elizabeth was possibly the best bit of it..

though loosely, it does suit our serial..


Thanks!

I am guessing you are referring to Liz's reactions to Mrs. Gardiner's letter on how Darcy helped With Wickham right?

I am not saying it is an exact copy at all ... But more themes ...

With the stupid Shivani track ... I couldn't help think how it reminded me of the stupidity of Lydia and how Darcy helping her , helped Liz realize her love

And isn't it always that stories are loved where the male lead is transformed by the heroine ... Or so, admits it like Darcy?

I wish they had shown a similar story of how Jodha's prejudices had also been removed and how she also admitted her faults like Liz does in the book ... And isn't it also interesting our serials reflect more 19th century novels 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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awesome divya... mixing and matching two of my fav things in this world... p&p and JA... 😳
yep... I'm right there in that corner of the room housing P&P fanatics... 😆 *croons in michael Jackson's voice* you are not alone, I am here with you... in the room that is... 😆
I do have a few ideas of JA with some other books... will definetely share later tonight... headache wala busy day today... but a teaser... a bit of jane eyre... a bit of Sherlock holmes... 😆 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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a very thought provoking post
wonderfully written
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Originally posted by: divyavm


Thanks!

I am guessing you are referring to Liz's reactions to Mrs. Gardiner's letter on how Darcy helped With Wickham right?

I am not saying it is an exact copy at all ... But more themes ...

With the stupid Shivani track ... I couldn't help think how it reminded me of the stupidity of Lydia and how Darcy helping her , helped Liz realize her love

And isn't it always that stories are loved where the male lead is transformed by the heroine ... Or so, admits it like Darcy?

I wish they had shown a similar story of how Jodha's prejudices had also been removed and how she also admitted her faults like Liz does in the book ... And isn't it also interesting our serials reflect more 19th century novels 😆

No dear I'm referring to the dialogue.. I said letter by mistake.. I haven't read P and P you see.. though have an idea of the story... 😳
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Pls tell me how do u know we r the fans of pride n prejudice ...😆
I read this book long time back(it ws thick book indeed which thoroughly kept me on edges) n still i cudnt overcome it 😆.
The line Mr bingley said "miss elizebeth is the most agreeable woman indeed, to which MR Darcy answered "she is not handsome enuf to tempt me "😆 WOW !! i remember one scene abdul says to jalal y dont u get her n he answered "uski aaukaat badh jayengi .it sunded very much familiar ...

Shivani elopement matches with lydia wickham truely said 👏. Mr Darcy says "u shud know , shud know that i have done all this for u " believe di i fainted wen he said this line ...☺️
Di i watched this novel as a movie as of now 3 times n intend to watch it again n again 😳

As Shyamla Aunty said jo has been protrayed shallow so she doesnt come close to elizabeth ..she introspects herself ,retropects herself too but we cant expects such things from our heroine 😭

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Bingo divya ... me too fan of Jane Austen 🤗... watched the movies & read her books ... though I dont remember the dialogues as u do 😆 ... but I love sense & sensibility ... the most fav of mine ... my most fav character among dashwood sisters is elinor truly a perfect sister in everyway ... & marianne a chirpy , naive & romantic in nature ...
I some how feel colonel brandons character (I knw colonel brandon is a bit old ) is similiar to mirza hakim as portrayed in the show ... mirza though very young is shown so matured & composed after the shivani incident ... he handled the fiasco so well mannerly ...
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Originally posted by: Priya_nv

Good one, Divya... I haven't thought in those lines before but now I do find similarities in Liz and Jodha's family relationships as well... Sukanya is like Jane and Bharmal is none other than Mrs. Bennet - selfish/ambitious 😆 Sukanya's husband is influenced by his father before marriage and Mr. Bingley was influenced by Darcy... The CV's are sure finding the tracks from the novel...😆😆

The CVs are inspired from two places: novels and this forum! 😆


On serious note, your three points are bang on 👍🏼.

(1) Jalal's help in Shivani's elopement and its role in convincing Jodha of his love and Lydia's elopement with Wickham


Every kind of pride must revolt from the connection

Soo ture... even more in Jalal's case for a Shahenshah to accept a karegar as a member of family...

For herself she was humbled; but she was proud of him. Proud that in a cause of compassion and honour, he had been able to get the better of himself

such internal musing of Jodha regarding the change in Jalal would have gone a long way... she knew how much Jalal felt bad for Mirza's condition (crying in his sleep) after Shivani's elopment... atleast few thoughts here and there would have been enough to appease us.. sometimes it feels like we are hoping for something that is unimaginable in CV's dictionary...

Yes, I also thought the idea seemed to be from the book but what was lacking was why his helping in Shivani's elopement made a difference to her

(2) Jalal owing everything he was and his transformation to Jodha before their SR and this dialogue by Darcy to Liz after she admits her love for him. Again underlining the most relevant portions.

Such I was, from eight to eight and twenty; and such I might still have been but for you, dearest, loveliest Elizabeth! What do I not owe you! You taught me a lesson, hard indeed at first, but most advantageous. By you, I was properly humbled.

Just few simple sentences and the message is so beautifully conveyed... simply love them...

Yes! Love this dialogue as well ...

(3) And another interesting factoid:

Liz: "It has been coming on so gradually, that I hardly know when it began. But I believe I must date it from my first seeing his beautiful grounds at Pemberley."

...Jodha praising the symbols of Jalal - like his reforms and laws more than the man directly. Each reform / law he passed , made her fall further in love with him ... With the abolishment of the pilgrimage tax being the last one.

Good observation, Divya... I hope Jalal doesn't stop putting forth any new reforms now that Jodha has declared her love 😉

Of course not ... He has to maintain the love

I sincerely hope the CV's don't think abt Mr. Bingley's sister Caroline and introduce a track abt Sukanya's marital problems or another jealousy track..

Yes, not all of Pride And Prejudice is applicable and hope they understand that

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