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Posted: 11 years ago
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What a beautiful, subtle point @blue, Ash! Wonderful, and spot on too!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: aashyagh



I agree with Shyamala here on Jalal's behaviour with Ruq, he handled it well and the headache reason was fine, how much ever you adore your friend, but at times, when they put the self down along with your faith and your love as well, you don't like it, and if he had made her stay there, she would come up with few more things to put Jodha down, but it would pull Ruq's down in his eyes, which he has always said that, he doesn't like it. Why find fault in Jalal's every move with Ruq or Jodha? Is it only his sole responsibility to behave, care and love??


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Mandy dearest,

In his place, I would not at all have liked the way she talked about Jodha being fit only to be on the side of his feet.

NB: It is another matter altogether that the bulk of the Indian audience, familiar with its Mahabharata, would have immediately spotted the parallel to Arjuna and Duryodhana when they went to seek Lord Krishna's support in the Kurukshetra war! And would have started laughing at Ruqaiya.


But of course Jalal would not know of this story, despite any sporadic coaching from Rahim! Given this, I felt that despite the blatant folly of Ruqaiya in making that comment - I cringed when I heard her say that - Jalal was still admirably patient and unruffled, and put her in her place very gently with that remark about each person having her/his own ehmiyat, jagah aur makaam.

After that, I too would have feigned a headache to get her to go away, and not make more uncalled for snide remarks about Jodha. For Ruqaiya to be jealous is one thing, and it is entirely understandable, but for her to expose herself like this, and that too in front of Jodha, must have been very embarassing for Jalal. Once you look at it from this perspective, maybe you will agree with me!

Adiana my dear, to expect the writers of this show to achieve the level of maturity you have outlined here is to ask for the moon! I had some hopes of this sort of denouement in the early days for Smiley's vulnerable, complex and fascinating Ruqaiya, but no longer. This Ruqaiya is almost uni-dimensional; and I say 'almost' because at times she has flashes of great generosity and fair-mindedness, but those pass,and o the whole she has been reduced to this caricature of a great Mughal empress.

Shyamala






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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aashyagh

You are right whenever Jodha is angry we expect him to run andf pacify her
When Ruqaiah is trantrum throwing we want him to console her
Akbar has become a parent/teacher to them rather than an husband/partner
But why we expect that is because Akbar is mature than them both so may be that is why we expect that from him.
Its actually Hamida/gulbadan who must be handling these issues since both bahu's are immature. But they both have not shown taking care of family issues at all here. Usually elders will step in if situation gets more out of hand lijke in MC/FP/Sujamal case etc. But in Akbar house hold he is only head of family, caretaker of harem, resolver of dispute etc

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

I agree that we expect that because Jalal is matured, but isn't Jodha? And Jalal being an Emperor, he has to concentrate on his sultanate as well, he handles Ruq and Jodha well in his reach, rest it is for them to understand and move forward or backward, I have seen Jalal asking Ruq, why she feels against Jodha and have told her couple of times directly, indirectly that, no one will take Ruq's place, if she still doesn't understand, then it's Ruq's loss, atleast here I need to appreciate Jodha for that, as she understands the relation and gives space. Now only Ruq has to work on it, but at the end of the day it's a show and there needs to be another vamp after MA, so be prepared for it.
Edited by aashyagh - 11 years ago

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Spot on, Neha! I agree with you completely. Ruqaiya is like a badly spoilt child. One cannot correct such a child thru yet more attention.That will only make the child even more cocky and worse-behaved. It is the same with Ruqaiya.

She needs to be straightened out for her own good. I have always said, again and again, that Jalal should sit her down and talk to her, very kindly but firmly, telling her that she will always have the same place and the same importance in his life, but that does not mean that she can run down Jodha, for whom he cares deeply, at every possible opportunity. She will have to learn to live with Jodha in peace; both of them will always be very special for him, but in different ways.

But Jalal does not do this, and so all these problems will keep recurring and getting worse.

Shyamala/ Aunty (?)




Thanks a lot Aunty for agreeing with me..🤗..and I also agree with you that Jalal needs to talk to her & tell her that he'll be always the same Jalal for her but he loves Jodha too. They may show it later on in the show when Ruq's insecurities will be more visible to him. But I think its the right time Jalal should remove the fear of losing him in her mind. Ruq has many times given the hint that she's feeling insecure of Jo(Though she denies it many times) He already knows that she plotted against Jo in Murti kand, she also kept quite in sujamal case. These two incidents are enough to make Jalal understand that to what extent she may go. If now he doesn't talk to her, he'll himself be responsible for anything drastic done by her to Jodha. And then Jalal will only show his anger on her instead of making her understand that she's still important in his life. But I would also say Ruq should also talk to Jalal directly abt her insecurities if Jalal is not getting the hints instead of plotting against Jodha. She has seen the the downfall of MA so she should understand that she'll only make her loss by doing the same thing.
Edited by AbHer_neha - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I will agree with some of you. specially smile.sara.
First thing Rukku is not orphan. she got raised in rich royal family. as from child hood she is alwyas trying to dominate jalal. now it became aadat. jalal has so many wifes but she never felt jelous. even she mentioned she is the one who take care whom he has to spend and all right. why now she is feeling jelous. because she cares about her position rather than jalal's love. all she know jalal has no heart so he don't love anybody. all the other baghums she treat like her bandis. As all of them listening to her so she enver felt threat. Even jalal also spending time with her she feeling like that is pride. CV's showing that very nicely form starting. even when playing or spent time with jalal she always wants to win. if she loves she should enjoy and make him win. when jodha came and jalal started to melt there she is feeling itch. jodha on top of that beat her with her good habits and all. the people obeying rukku out of fear as jalal listens to her. now people realising no need ot scare for jalal as he is good human being. even jalal gave khass hoda to 3 of them. now she is feeling like if jodha becomes close to jalal she will loose her powers. i never felt like when she talks to jalal she never thinks what he wants she always tells what she wants.
even that picture see her ego. just everybody should think she is khass in his life. but not about jalal. she is not thinking why jalal kept jodha on other side so that he can see her always.
i don't have any pity for her. even as per history also jalal has rukku influence intailly but when he becake akbar he has influence of jodha. as per history he used to celebrate hindu festivals like tuladan and all and he used to where thilak also many occasions. even the harem in fathe fur sikhri (MUZ mahal) shows some hindu cultures. after haveing salim they spent there much.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: durgarvv

I will agree with some of you. specially smile.sara.

First thing Rukku is not orphan. she got raised in rich royal family. as from child hood she is alwyas trying to dominate jalal. now it became aadat. jalal has so many wifes but she never felt jelous. even she mentioned she is the one who take care whom he has to spend and all right. why now she is feeling jelous. because she cares about her position rather than jalal's love. all she know jalal has no heart so he don't love anybody. all the other baghums she treat like her bandis. As all of them listening to her so she enver felt threat. Even jalal also spending time with her she feeling like that is pride. CV's showing that very nicely form starting. even when playing or spent time with jalal she always wants to win. if she loves she should enjoy and make him win. when jodha came and jalal started to melt there she is feeling itch. jodha on top of that beat her with her good habits and all. the people obeying rukku out of fear as jalal listens to her. now people realising no need ot scare for jalal as he is good human being. even jalal gave khass hoda to 3 of them. now she is feeling like if jodha becomes close to jalal she will loose her powers. i never felt like when she talks to jalal she never thinks what he wants she always tells what she wants.
even that picture see her ego. just everybody should think she is khass in his life. but not about jalal. she is not thinking why jalal kept jodha on other side so that he can see her always.
i don't have any pity for her. even as per history also jalal has rukku influence intailly but when he becake akbar he has influence of jodha. as per history he used to celebrate hindu festivals like tuladan and all and he used to where thilak also many occasions. even the harem in fathe fur sikhri (MUZ mahal) shows some hindu cultures. after haveing salim they spent there much.



Originally posted by: hinz


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in above post DT already warned plz refrain from bringing history in serial tracks discussion
Edited by roshanehkhan - 11 years ago

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