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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Msfrootie



You're right we cant always find logic in emotions..

Fianlly does it all come back to soul mates then? Feeling less commitment less Rudra meets his soul mate and all of a sudden he gets a heart ttransplantation into the space that was vacant and falls in love with her. Mala aunty could never bring herself to love Dilsher but meets soul mate Thakur-sa and love is in the air..

Sometimes we just cant explain why we develop instant dislike for some people in one meeting and instant liking for others..

@ bold- How did he put up with her for 8 yrs.. For his sake I hope her craziness is of recent onset..

heart transplant? 😆 hahaha... he might just lost the key... n then he found paro... thats why he suddenly have thing sound dhak dhak! Inside.. mystery solve! 😆 thakur-sa? N soul mate? 🤢 he just some selfish dude who flirt over people's wife 😡 ... n mala aunty? Bewakuf thing does happen in love n sometime love not only blind but bewakuf too... 😛 crazy? She psychopath... may god bless parud... 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I personally believe its because she never really showed that she loved him. Like yea she said she did but paro cared and all a man really needs is love and affection.. physical relationships dont last as long as love relations. And as rudy said, he closed his heart for those eight years. Not feeling any emotion except anger...
Nyc question tho. Gets ya thinking.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think even Paro is coming to terms with this question. Laila was in love with him that's why she tolerated his no name relationship. He went to only her for all those years that's why she tolerated him. It was 8 years that they were together. They exclusive to each other for 8 years. Even if Rudra didn't marry her, she acted the part he wanted from her. After 8 years, I don't think it was wrong for her to expect that he may be saying no commitments but he meant this will go on forever. He always said he wouldn't marry and that he can't love anyone. But he did come to her night after night. She had to believed that he was committed to her. 8 years is at that age (25-30) is more than half his post pubescent life. That is a commitment. You can't blame Laila.

Rudra may be melting for Paro, but he always maintained that he does not love Paro. The marriage was forced on him. The question she asked if he loved Laila was answering many questions. One of which was if Rudra was ever going to love Paro as she saw a parallel here between herself and Laila. The second was the obvious if she had come in between Laila and Rudra's love and if she was the other woman.


Even now, Rudra hasn't accepted Paro as his love. The night Laila showed up, he was telling Paro just that. To never expect any love from him ever.


We can't make assumptions that he can not mean what he says to one and not the other. Actions do speak louder than words, and here the balance leans towards Laila.
Edited by ifsaal044 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with some of the posts here there are many couples out there spent their whole life together make a family but do not love each other and at times will not even admit but in their heart they know it .The only bond is that if you live with some thing or some one for years and that some one is in need or dies you feel bad but that is momentarily.I think that is what is Rudra's feeling for Laila.
Laila in the begaining has no problem with their arrangement but with time she started getting attached with Rudra emotionally but she was still ok with her life as she knew that if Rudra is not hers than he has no one else in his life.So for her- she possess Rudra but with Paro entry she feels threatened.She thinks it was her right although she was very well aware of the condition of this relation so I think she is at fault.

For Paro Rudra is the only man she has seen in her life (handsome too) he is rough and tough but always took care of her .It was not hard for her to love him.

Coming back to Rudra Paro you can never know how when and with whom you will fall in love . But yes it starts him being her protector.Even parents protects their more innocent child over a more smart one.

Everyone loves a more innocent adorable one over a spoiled ,naughty, over smart one.

I think in this situation Rudra is not at fault and Laila is being possessive and she also does not actually loves him
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Firstly great question...gets one thinking...ok here is what I think:

edit: if you want to read the surmise of my response scroll down to the green bit at the bottom...and if you're interested in reading my long-winded thoughts, continue on...

Why does Rudra who remained emotionally detached from Laila for eight years fall for Paro in, say, eight weeks?
Firstly why he falls in love with Paaro, or if not love then at least become attached in away he never was with Laila

See, with Laila he choses the relationship and therefore it is on his own terms and hers'...for like he says she agreed to his terms and therefore was a mutual agreement...to have a physical relationship...but with Paaro it is a forced relationship.

Circumstance forces them together and makes him her protector, he wants nothing to do with her and she with him, they both hate each other...she because he kills her husband n baraat, plus she has been poisoned against BSD just the way Rudra has been poisoned against females...so neither want to be together but neither have a choice, circumstance throws them together, for she becomes his prime and only witness...because of this not wanting to he has to take care of her and she because of him has nowhere to go...in order to survive they need each other...she doesn't want to survive but her teachings won't allow her to take her own life for she knows that is gravely wrong...so now they are in this situation where they absolutely detest each other but are forced to live together...

This forced relationship forces them to actually get to know one another...Rudra needs to learn about her in order to figure out how to crack her and get her to sign the statement that will put Tejawat behind bars...thus he is required to actually spend time with to understand her...something he never does with Laila...so Paaro is the first woman he trully makes an effort to get to know, to understand, to take a look inside her heart and the more he looks the more intrigued he is...for nothing breaks her (because she is already broken, he broke her by killing her husband) and whatever is left is hell-bent on proving that she is right and he is wrong...the more he gets to know her the more in awe he gets...because her will power, her determination impresses him, like he says 'ye aag ubaltha hosla, ye bahaduri, agar tum ghalat logo ka saath nahi deri hothi tho waki iski tareef kartha.'

She intrigues him and as time passes he realises she is innocent, not only of the crimes but a very innocent person and therefore in grave need of protection because she thinks her killer is her protector and her protector her killer...it angers him that she doesn't believe him even after all the times he has saved her...he doesn't understand her and that intrigues him further...ever heard of the phrase curiosity killed the cat well that is what happens with Rudra, curiosity kills him...that is the animal and revives the human...for as he spends time with her he realises the only moments he actually gets through to her is when he talks from the heart or soul...severity doesn't scare her or intimidate her, for she has lost everything therefore has nothing more to loose plus she knows he will not hurt her as she is his only witness...so in order to get through to her he unlocks the human being in side...when he does he not only opens the way for the human in him to get out but a way for another being to come in, without realising it...

so what I am saying being forced to live with Paaro in order to protect her, humanises him...forces him to act humanly towards her and also forces him to get to know her...now when someone spends time with another person two things happen, either you start liking them or hating them...Rudra starts like her...this doesn't mean he falls in love straight away what it means is that he begins to trust her, find a friend in her...a friend he never had before...because she is a true friend who not only listens but makes him listen...she calls him out on his wrongs...another thing Laila doesn't do...Paaro not only makes him realise his mistakes but forces him to correct them...and he does because her opinion matters to him...why? Because he has established that she is a good person and at the end of the day he strives to be a good person too...someone who is whole and together...that is why he starts to listen to Paaro...because he wants to let go of his past, get rid of the darkness...like he says in todays episode he stops coming to the bhooth bangla because the loneliness stops being his friend but rather a painful reminder of how empty he is...he goes looking for a way to complete himself but doesn't find it, even though he thinks he does...he thinks that with Laila he manages to get rid of his loneliness but he doesn't instead he just stops feeling...the loneliness doesn't go away so he just shuts it out...until Paaro comes in his life and forces it out of him...once it comes out she shows him the way to get rid of it forever...that is why he forms a bond with Paaro because she trully helps him to get rid of his emptiness by trully being there for him...

Why he doesn't fall for Laila or doesn't feel anything for her?

Well I have hinted at it above...it is because he never opens up to her...yes he shares his past with her... but what does she do about that...nothing as far as we can tell, she doesn't heal his pain, she only makes him forget it.

Sleeping with her helps him lock away his feelings...because for men making love and having sex are two different things...one often hears/see's in movies, shows where men who have been with other woman, claim to have the best sex only with their lover...why because when they sleep with them it is more than the physical act, it is a showcase of how they feel...

he beds Laila, even shares some of his past with her (most probably when drunk, considering the way he treats her it doesn't seem like he would open his heart willingly to her) but he never shares a life with her...in those eight years he only spends the night with her...nothing more...any day to day interaction is business nothing more...and night is also business in a sense, where they lead a no-strings-attached relationship...he never makes promises and she accepts that because she is a prostitute, it is her work...I say this because it may not have been said explicitly on the show but it is implied...one because she introduced as a nachne wali/thamasha wali...two her dressing and language (in many indian movies and soaps you will prostitutes adorning a similar style, esp the abundance of bangles in the one hand and the other completely empty) three he says in his story he went to a place to lose himself, get drunk and physical with a lady...i.e. a brothel, four Laila's dialogue about three kinds of men to Paaro n then her friend in the market place where she learns of Parud marriage...all point to her being a prostitute...oh and one more thing...at the haldi rasam when she tells rudra she loves him she says for 8yrs I did not let anyone else touch me, that means before rudra she has been with other men...

anyway the point is somewhere along the 8yrs be it the very first time she meets rudra or somewhile late she falls for him...she never lets him know instead just keeps the no-strings-attached relationship...happy with that and rudra has no clue that this person is in love with him...hence his shock at the haldi rasam...this is the first he hears of love from her, if he had known earlier he would have most likely ended it a long time before to not let it get messy, just the way he does so when she tells him at the haldi rasam...because he doesen reciprocate her feelings...

but does he harness any feelings for her...yes there is a bond between them too...how can there not be one they have known each other for eight years...but just because you have been with someone for 8yr doesn't mean you have to love them it can be a friendship too...and that is what rudra feels friendship for her...like he says i considered you a friend that is why I'm letting you off for nearly trying to kill Paaro...and that is why he cover's her back when she shows him the wounds and that is why he doesn't instantly push her away when she hugs him in todays episode...

plus her words confuse him that is also why he doesn't push her away...because she talks about seeing love in his eyes...for her...but one thing he is sure about is that he doesn't love her, never has...he doesn't even need to think about that he answers it straight away when Paaro asks...but he is left wondering that if Laila has seen love in my eyes then is there actually love there and if so for who? Because he doesn't realise he has started to like Paaro...he only knows that he trusts her and can't see her hurt or upset especially with him...but he doesn't know what love is...and therefore doesn't know he loves Paaro...

so long story short...he loves or forms an attachment towards Paaro becuase life forces them together, where then Paaro forces him to open up and let her in...where as Laila he choses to be with and therefore choses the terms of their relationship too and that is why there is a cordial bond between them but nothing more...whereas between him an Paaro he forms and emotional bond for neither decide the terms of their relationship they are left to explore it...that is what I think...wow...I could have really just written this paragraph instead of the whole essay...sorry for making you read through my ramblings...when it is basically what I have written above, in my opinion anyway...that with paaro he forms and emotional relationship whereas with laila it is a physical one...much in the way we have personal relationships and professional relationships...we are attached to the personal ones, i.e. our family and friends and detatched to the professional ones, i.e. work collegues/class mates who we don't really socialise much with...

why we form such relationships where some people become our really good friends and some just people we say hi too...well thta comes down to who we click with doesn't it...so in a way you can also say...he falls for paaro becuase he just does and he doesn't for Laila because he just doesn't...there is no solid reason...it is what it is...

lol...I'm not sure whether I have made much sense or managed to answer your question...but your quesiton left me thinking and resulted in this humungus comment...😆

edit 2: I just remembered to add to the last bit about what's meant to be is meant to be, as in it is what it is, you love one n not the other...I remembered Danveer's quote on when Rudra questions how Paaro can suddenly just fall in love with him when she hates him not two days previous...he says the moment of truth...is called a moment because it happens in a moment...n when that moments comes it changes eveything...just the way it changes everything in Paaro's life...the moment of truth comes and she realises rudra is her protector and right...n then a 2nd moment of truth comes when she discovers the doll...seeing that makes her believe in destiny, something she has always believed in but it is not until she see's the doll does she realise that she is destined to be rudra...

n another reason why rudra may have started to fall for paaro is because she confesses her love to him...he doesn't understand how someone like her can love him...and he even asks n she says i don't know why I only know that I do and that is why i put up with all your anger because I love you...she falls in love with him and ever since she does she makes him feel that love every moment of everyday, forcing him to stop being mean and actually start caring, whereas when Laila falls for him she doesn't make him feel it may be if she had then may be he may have started to feel something for her too...but when she does try and make him feel her love it's too late he has already fallen in love with Paaro so now he can't fall in love with her...so he ends it with her, in hope she will move on...but she doesn't n she is back n now he doesn't know what to do...
Edited by ACTywm - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with you ACTywn it is like personal and professional relation you spent years working same place same people but still you are not attached emotionally if they are in pain you feel bad about it but you move on .Same situation with some one close to you we try and help going out of our way
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Posted: 11 years ago
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ACTwym.. That was an excellent analytical post, spanning many episodes, and I am glad you put that part about danveer in. Because that bus, the doll and 15 years ago... That is the key. Dil to dabaa diya tha, lekin voh suraakh apne aap se kabhi nahi door hone diya. That last grasp at the good in his life. He never let go of it. One action.
Actions speak louder than words. Yes. He married paro, kicked laila out physically. He let laila stay because of paro. He went from physically intimidating Paro to caring for her, sitting with her when she was sick, not even letting her head fall from the pillow. But he never molested her sexually, never hurt her intentionally... She bruises easily because she is delicate, and he is rough. He played done mind games with her, yes. He is a grey character after all. But not of late. After his poisoning incident, he started to feel guilty about his treatment of her. In contrast, after sex with Laila he just put on his unifotm and told her not to come to the barracks. Many actions.

He only went back twice after that, and he never touched her in those times. He just ate, complained about Paro, asked for some clothes and left.

After eight years of drink and sex, in one fell swoop, reduced to zero? Yes, actions speak louder than words. His life was always about Paro. Please watch the episode where Paro barges into the award ceremony. In the context of yeterday, the counter arguments are all there. He loves Paro. He is in love with her. He has not admitted it to himself yet, but he has loved her from the time she was a hostage.

As for his closing his eyes at Lailas cloying. Lets all wait for Monday shall we, no point jumping the gun. Precaps and promos are carefully put together to mess with our minds. Its a career and industry all by itself! 😆

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster

I would skip past the obvious responses of divine love and previously ordained recognition of soul mates and go to what I think is at the inherent core of this relationship--



Protector and Innocent.



Beautiful explanation Navin baisa.

One more thing - the doll also helped in Rudra's feelings towards paro and vice versa I guess.


@D, I need to come back and put my thoughts. in a bt hurry now. But great post! 👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Msfrootie


Hmmm.. Put that way it seems reasonable enough.. Both Rudra and Laila were comfortable with that arrangement and so they continued that way..

He spent eight years with Laila- was it just a sexual relationship? In the initial episodes, it was shown that when he is injured and goes to Laila, he does not allow her to soothe him or tend to him - he just wanted alcohol and sex to forget his troubles.


Another interesting question. I think It was about alcohol and sex and he probably poured out his innermost feelings in his drunken state...I don't see him talking about his mother to Laila in a fully conscious state. He must have been aware he was talking about her but he needed the aide of alcohol to talk.

Rudra clearly wasn't looking for any commitment, the terms were clear. He didn not even acknowledge her as his girlfriend. Maybe, he stayed with Laila because of familiarity, for convenience...maybe he preferred having one sexual partner.


Rudra is a person who shared eight years of his life with some, even if it was without any promises and one fine day just leaves her in Jaipur and goes off to Birpur.. How can such a emotionally deprived person turn into an adoring and caring husband in so short a span of time..

Either he is the jaanwar who feels no tender emotions or he must have felt something for Laila in 8yrs..


No matter how much he claims he is a jaanwar who feels no emotions, it's not true at all. Rudra is deeply emotional person, but he keeps it bottled up. Why else would he still be so affected by his past?

I think that's also where Laila went wrong, she took him at face value. She claims to know his better than anyone else, but she never understood the real Rudra in 8 years.

Yes, he definitely felt something...one must feel something to consider someone as a friend. But it never went beyond that.


I agree with you that Laila is in no way a victim. She went in to it knowing fully what was in store for her..

One doubt, if Laila is that promiscuous a lady,would she leave everything in Jaipur and follow Rudra to Birpur.. And now again to the haveli..She may have been at some point of time, but is she still so?


Well, I guess she stayed loyal to Rudra after she fell in love with him. Laila had to be promiscuous to get into a no-strings attached relationship. Because not many girl from villages would be OK to sleep with someone before marriage and even if they do, it would most certainly be with someone they are in love with.


Would he have thought of casual sex with someone like Paro, all innocent and virginal? No. It had to be someone who was up for it. Rudra would have never approached a virgin or someone who already harbored any feelings for him.



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Edited by incandescent - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice question
i think it is not possible to not connect at some point during 8 yrs , you start to know the other person
and very body is beautiful in some way i mean some part of their entire being is very attractive , same with laila , i refuse to believe that in 8 yrs rudra didnt find anything in laila that left an impression


but saying that there are many marriages that fall apart because after years of togetherness people still dont find comfort or the soul mate connection , some separate some dont

this is mainly because the relationship it self falls apart , then it just becomes nothing more than a habit , people dont enjoy the others company still they put up

i think this is what happened with rudra , initally whatever was his reason for going to laila , after a point the relationship or the dosti like he says , fell apart , he wanted to get liberated and move on
he didnt have anywhere to go , as a mattter of habit he continued his relationship with laila

but the decision to move on is a difficult one , that is where i have a problem , it was not for rudra

one reason because they made laila dark making his choice easy


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