Today's episode - Sad but true state of Jodha and Jalal's relationship

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Posted: 11 years ago
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In today's episode the story has taken an unexpected turn..not so much in the way the story was moving, however, it was unexpected for us forum wasis..because we were thinking and probably hoping for volcano Jalal to spew.

But if we look at the way Jalal's character is being shaped, his talk with his mom as to what one should do when the person whom we trust does not trust us back and hides facts from us,and Hameeda begum's answer that we have to wait because only trust begets trust in return..and Jalal's relief yet the unsettled feeling that he has to live with because there was nothing he could do but wait for Jodha to come clear and talk to him..😕

The new Jalal could not hurt his Jodha and yet Jalal being the alpha male that he is could not - not do anything about the current situation in order to make Jodha understand his predicament and hurt.

A lot has been said that how could Jalal tell Hoshiyar that he will spend the night with Ruks and hurt Jodha and himself in turn..however, imagine a shahenshah with thousands of begums and bandhis...he cannot force Jodha to tell him the truth, yet he wants to show her that he is hurt and deeply saddened by her actions...he also has started feeling that when there is no trust then what to say of love? This he himself said to Jodha, 'jab yakeen hi na ho to kaisi mohabbat' or something to that effect..he has started to believe that a bit himself..

Whether he actually spends the night with Ruks or not is a different matter altogether..but in Jodha's presence he probably had to make her know that he is upset with her...and he knows she will feel hurt by that sentence...so he just wants her to think why he is doing what he is doing...

I think we all do not want Jalal to spend the night with Ruks but she is his wife and he is well within his rights to do that in a polygamist setup that existed during that time..

What is sad but true from Jalal's behaviour is that we, in a predominantly monogamist society, are shocked by his sentence to Hoshiyar khan but when a person wants to hurt the person who has hurt him/her the most this would have been an easiest route - to ease his tension concerning Jodha or to divert his mind from Jodha, or to hurt Jodha or to get over Jodha, whichever way we take it...

Till today's episode, Jodha's character was sounding a bit shaky but when she explained Aziza's POV to Jalal saying does the responsibility of trust lie only with the woman in a relationship? Mazhar should also have trusted her, then she started making sense to me..😊 my Jodha is not so flaky after all..😊

It has been so ingrained in our psyche that a woman can do no mistake where trust between a man and woman is concerned because she is always judged for her actions and there should be no possible way wherein she slips. lest the trust erodes...that we have forgotten as a society that our men also need to trust their women implicitly.

When we train our daughters and sisters to trust and love their husbands completely without any other thought, then the complement of the sentence also holds true that we should train our brothers and sons to trust their spouses completely and give some personal space to them so that they do not have to hide things from their men..

The onus of a woman's safety definitely lies with her and therefore she needs to more careful but that does not mean a woman is to be questioned for her actions as if she has committed a blunder..

The tricky situation now between Jodha and Jalal is that their relationship is very new...they haven't consummated their marriage, they are getting closer emotionally but they are not in sync yet. Jodha had said during the hair drying scene that she is not ready to share her personal stuff with Jalal yet (she had meant her dream), this makes everything in their relation very shaky and therefore Jalal feels the immense burden of trusting Jodha and not asking her anything about it. He is venting in different ways by telling her in so many words in the last four / five episodes, by talking of spending night with Ruks, etc..

I am confident that this MU will definitely bring them very close, either physically or emotionally...

I would like it if they become comfortable with each other without thinking about romantic handholds, and eyelocks (how long will they keep on doing this). This can happen only when they think of each other as each other's extensions emotionally and their relationship progresses a bit on the physical level atleast...hugs should be ok...😛, forehead kisses could also be ok..😛 don't know..

They are both antsy around each other...for a couple who have been married for sometime now, even if they are not physically close, they atleast should be comfortable...both are shown to be very confident of who they are and both are matured so I think they can definitely handle that much physical proximity..😛

Let's see what CVs give us over the next month...This track is definitely more than 2 weeks...we will see some good stuff by mid or end of April...(fingers crossed...😊)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Try to watch the episode from this perspective .
Thanks dear.nice post.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank god for such a post😆 I was thinking this to be another jalal bashing and jodha supporting thread😛 But thanks to u for such gud analysis and thoughts.
I agree about the trust aspect being mutual between the hubby n wife. Just a Q for u😆. Suppose the roles are reversed now, its Jalal who meets some random woman at night repeatedly for 3 consecutive nights and Jodha sees them hugging and touching.

now the Qs are😃, Do u really think Jodha will go straight to him and ask abt the woman? Or will she just taano-maarofy him at every opportunity she gets? Or do u think she ll trust him enough to keep quiet and wait for right time?

Let me know 😛. @Everyone - Please feel feel to reply

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I read your post twice, I found it so interesting. Your take on the Jodha point of view was illuminating. I also agree with the logic of why Jalal cannot confront Jodha right now.

Than you for explaining with such clarity.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: knumnum

Thank god for such a post😆 I was thinking this to be another jalal bashing and jodha supporting thread😛 But thanks to u for such gud analysis and thoughts.

I agree about the trust aspect being mutual between the hubby n wife. Just a Q for u😆. Suppose the roles are reversed now, its Jalal who meets some random woman at night repeatedly for 3 consecutive nights and Jodha sees them hugging and touching.

now the Qs are😃, Do u really think Jodha will go straight to him and ask abt the woman? Or will she just taano-maarofy him at every opportunity she gets? Or do u think she ll trust him enough to keep quiet and wait for right time?

😊 your questions are spot on...
I feel we women do not think whether we should or should not ask our spouses if they are seeing somebody...we directly question..so I think Jodha would have questioned Jalal not so directly...remember how she keep on prodding him about his feelings for Benazir in our rockstar episode after the benazir track? the scene in angoori bagh..
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She will be definitely sad but I think she would be quiet and wait for him to tell but I am doubly sure that she is not above taana maarofying herself...she will also make sure that Jalal knows that she is hurt and is waiting for his clarification..
I think in a man woman relationship when one starts loving the other there is a sense of ownership that gets questioned when such a situation(either of the partners seeing somebody else even innocuously) arises and that is not a pleasant feeling..😊 I think its just a rite of passage in the journey of love...(I would like to believe that...😳)


Let me know 😛. @Everyone - Please feel feel to reply

- Krishi

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Posted: 11 years ago
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You are speaking from a man - wife pov.

Now look at it from a Ruler - Subject POV - if an erring subject Qs the Ruler on his justice - that his own wife is meeting someone without his knowledge!!! for what reason??? - and what action has he taken???

Yes the matter is not public yet - but how much longer before it does get public.

Till now he is being the patient husband - but remember he cannot do so for long - after a point he has to take the mantle of the Ruler and take action - and it has to be strong and he cannot tell his subjects that he will wait - The Ruler has to dispense justice irrespective of who is before him - and at that point if Jodha or for that matter anyone else says that he did not trust her - I will say bull - The husband is not the one taking the action the Ruler is - Do not judge the husband for the Ruler's action.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

You are speaking from a man - wife pov.

Now look at it from a Ruler - Subject POV - if an erring subject Qs the Ruler on his justice - that his own wife is meeting someone without his knowledge!!! for what reason??? - and what action has he taken???

Yes the matter is not public yet - but how much longer before it does get public.

Till now he is being the patient husband - but remember he cannot do so for long - after a point he has to take the mantle of the Ruler and take action - and it has to be strong and he cannot tell his subjects that he will wait - The Ruler has to dispense justice irrespective of who is before him - and at that point if Jodha or for that matter anyone else says that he did not trust her - I will say bull - The husband is not the one taking the action the Ruler is - Do not judge the husband for the Ruler's action.


Adi, you are bang on about the ruler POV. But I don't kno if we shd be happy or sad that Jalal is first thinking as a hubby and also that he has not started thinking as ruler yet.

I am surprised that he is taking so much time to mull over this where as he didn't take any time to punish BB, his own sister wen she was at fault.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

You are speaking from a man - wife pov.

Now look at it from a Ruler - Subject POV - if an erring subject Qs the Ruler on his justice - that his own wife is meeting someone without his knowledge!!! for what reason??? - and what action has he taken???

Yes the matter is not public yet - but how much longer before it does get public.

Till now he is being the patient husband - but remember he cannot do so for long - after a point he has to take the mantle of the Ruler and take action - and it has to be strong and he cannot tell his subjects that he will wait - The Ruler has to dispense justice irrespective of who is before him - and at that point if Jodha or for that matter anyone else says that he did not trust her - I will say bull - The husband is not the one taking the action the Ruler is - Do not judge the husband for the Ruler's action.



Thanks for your POV 😊 ..yes I did not think about a ruler - subject angle but then the shahenshah and his begums are husband wife first and then ruler - subjects...somebody posted yesterday saying Ceasar's wife will always be above any doubts...something to that effect..
There is a reason why this is not public yet in the serial as well because we are watching the journey of two exquisite people on the path of love, so I think personal aspects will be more to this angle..
Even in case it were not Sujamal and some other person (probably Jodha's ex for example) then his death in the Agra fort will be justified as killing of an enemy and Jodha will be sent back to Amer for conniving with the enemy against her shahenshah..
So the story is going along logically correct lines..
My two cents...😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: knumnum


Adi, you are bang on about the ruler POV. But I don't kno if we shd be happy or sad that Jalal is first thinking as a hubby and also that he has not started thinking as ruler yet.

I am surprised that he is taking so much time to mull over this where as he didn't take any time to punish BB, his own sister wen she was at fault.


He is taking the time becoz this is also the Q of the Queen's character and by extention his Integrity - he is in the worst possible situation - if he takes action and she is innocent he is at fault and if he does not and she is guilty still he is at fault - And no one has realised this delicate situation that he is in!!!

It is tough to be a leader and a Ruler my dear - which is why it is said that those associated with the ones in power are expected to be above all suspicion - shd not even be suspected of anything
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: dipti123



Thanks for your POV 😊 ..yes I did not think about a ruler - subject angle but then the shahenshah and his begums are husband wife first and then ruler - subjects...somebody posted yesterday saying Ceasar's wife will always be above any doubts...something to that effect..
There is a reason why this is not public yet in the serial as well because we are watching the journey of two exquisite people on the path of love, so I think personal aspects will be more to this angle..
Even in case it were not Sujamal and some other person (probably Jodha's ex for example) then his death in the Agra fort will be justified as killing of an enemy and Jodha will be sent back to Amer for conniving with the enemy against her shahenshah..
So the story is going along logically correct lines..
My two cents...😊


That post was by me and let me add - once the mantle of a Ruler is taken on it can never come off - A Ruler has to be a Ruler at all times and keep all his emotions and personal likes and dislikes aside - This is what Rama also had to do and the reason why Krishna refused to wear the crown.

Aaj jo Hindustan ka haal hai is all becoz we do not have such leaders.

As for this not being public - MA already knows of it - how long before she brings it in the open in the worst possible way - and it is not as if Jodha is unaware - She was stopped by MA and Moti has already warned her to be wary of MA.
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago

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