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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Aunty,

I was surprised to see your reply here. Hope your health is getting better and you'll be back with us soon.😊

About the arrange marriage, it is interesting to read your reply because I came from an Asian society that doesn't practise arrange marriage since 2 generations ago. In my society, it is a matter of choice. The parents will arrange the marriage if only the children asked the parents to. But, nowadays, a lot of young people ask for arrange marriage because they either too busy or they don't believe in Western style love before marriage.

When I wrote this post, I my mind was stuck to 16th century setting because it is relevant with the serial and Ruqaiya's era. In fact, I was shocked too when Jodha fights for love in marriage for the baandi, my 21st century brain surely understand it but as a viewer who fully aware that I'm watching a serial with 16th century setting, I was confused and laughed so hard at the CV.

It was an era when women almost has no right at all by society and by law. Rukku was a child when she married Jalal like other women in that era who marriage at very young age. Even without love their have to stay in the marriage because divorce is as worst as death penalty. So, it is natural for women at that era to believe that marriage is for security, heir, family and other reason other than love. It will make them 1% happier to stay in the loveless marriage for the rest of life while her husband is spending more time with his favourite wife.

It is not like today society where man usually will suffer too because they can't practise polygamy legally. Although it won't stop them from having an affair. Plus, there are laws that protect the woman right and woman has chance to get help from organisation if they are mistreat.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

A very interesting take on this evergreen subject. I would have commented at greater length if my eyes had been up to it. I particularly liked the parts @blue.

But I have clear reservations about your last para.Why limit yourself, in a condescending manner, to the 16th century? The statistical fact is that, as I noted above to Munni,even today, throughout Asia, a very large number of marriages are arranged, often between well qualified working professionals, as per their choice. Compatibility and security are obviously more important to these young people, who perhaps, seeing the escalating divorce rates in the West, distrust the concept of " romantic love" as a pre-requisite for marriage.

The majority of such arranged marriages do very well, for marriage is about much more that just romantic love between the man and the woman. Which often fades away, and at times turns into its opposite, otherwise there would not be so many divorces in countries where love marriages are the norm.

I was thus astonished to see Jodha stating in one of the recent episodes about that baandi, that prem was necessary for a vivah. And she was brought up to marry whomsoever her father chose for her!

Shyamala B.Cowsik


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Fabulous post👏👏👏

Rukayya is shallow and she was never able to fulfill Jalal's needs, his loneliness and his hurts. She only cares for Shehenshah and not Jalal, cos if she did like you said she would not have fixed his marriage with Ben

Rukayya used his hurt about the dhakka and his confiding in her to use it for her own advantage to drive Jodha away from him - NOT to make Jalal heal

If she had offered all her love, if not love her back he would have accepted it but she did not bother to because she never understood what he wanted, only what he can give her



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post! Thanks for the PM.😃
Be it as a friend (giving salahs to Jalal/Shahenshah) or as a wife (attending to his physical needs, giving slaps to Hoshiyaar when he spoke ill about Jo's i.e. Jallu's child) she was there I felt. BUT not always. She cares for him that is sure. She is possessive about him. Because for her Jalal is the ONLY friend she has. BUT the support to Jalal was whenever SHE FELT SHE WANTED to give him not otherwise. Her relationship with Jalal is more of a give and take for her. The emotional compatibility between them is very low and that is why she fails to understand him many times. When he really wanted some real emotional support, she was never around - be it as a friend or wife. This is where you find Jodha, standing for him whenever he feels low in life as a person or as a Shahenshah.😛
Edited by Pals2411 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pals2411

Nice post! Thanks for the PM.😃

Be it as a friend (giving salahs to Jalal/Shahenshah) or as a wife (attending to his physical needs, giving slaps to Hoshiyaar when he spoke ill about Jo's i.e. Jallu's child) she was there I felt. BUT not always. She cares for him that is sure. She is possessive about him. Because for her Jalal is the ONLY friend she has. BUT the support to Jalal was whenever SHE FELT SHE WANTED to give him not otherwise. Her relationship with Jalal is more of a give and take for her. The emotional compatibility between them is very low and that is why she fails to understand him many times. When he really wanted some real emotional support, she was never around - be it as a friend or wife. This is where you find Jodha, standing for him whenever he feels low in life as a person or as a Shahenshah.😛


wow really nice. i must say really a very unbiased description.👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I read all posts are good but you have mised one impt point
Jalal has mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother(and maham, adham, atagah) so he is not insecure
Jodha has dad, mom, 4-5 brothers, 2-3 sisters and nephew and necies apart from grandmom
Salima has mom and son in rahim
So its OK for all of them if spouse is not caring they know others are there even if spouse relation fails
But ruqu has no one as family no parents, siblings and children
The only person she has is a husband and if that relation fails she has no one to fall on to in life
and secondly jalal always told her he has no heart so ruqu channeled her heart towards mind and called love as audha. Its a way to distract her loveless life. We cannot blame ruqu because she does not know how to love anyone usually orphan kids will be like that love has to be taught not come naturally to anyone. Usually parents and siblings teach meaning of love to a child in life. And then child becomes big and give that love to their next generation. Its a cycle. Sometimes what happens kids who are orphan, come from broken family etc they do not know how to give love etc because they may not be loved by anyone or have been rejected early in life. This has happened with Ruqu to extreme sense. Jalal atleast had BK and Maham, bakshi and other sister and to some extent hamida and Humayun and hakim so he has some understandng of love.
In 21st century loveless wives distract themselves by going to kitty party and social get togethers same way 16th century Ruqu trying to distract herself saying audha
Its all human psychology - if you all read some books on human/animal psychology its a simple thig no human/animal can live without love and care and attention either from family or colleagues etc. If a situation arises where an human does not get love, care, attention from family, friends, colleagues etc they become like ruqu and become possessive of work/position/friend etc. Jalal was similar possessive of wars, winning etc for a long time before he calmed down after marriage to jodha in serial.
Real akbar calmed down after he got kids and became more understanding. That is when he brought about his reforms in his 30s when he made all reforms, became more humane in war etc
Similarly Ruqaiah should get some thing to calm her down to channel her fears, insecurity etc and that shall be salim and later khurram, till then she will continue all this insecure games of hers.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice, thoughtful post !!
thanks 4 the pm. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

I read all posts are good but you have mised one impt point

Jalal has mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother(and maham, adham, atagah) so he is not insecure
Jodha has dad, mom, 4-5 brothers, 2-3 sisters and nephew and necies apart from grandmom
Salima has mom and son in rahim
So its OK for all of them if spouse is not caring they know others are there even if spouse relation fails
But ruqu has no one as family no parents, siblings and children
The only person she has is a husband and if that relation fails she has no one to fall on to in life
and secondly jalal always told her he has no heart so ruqu channeled her heart towards mind and called love as audha. Its a way to distract her loveless life. We cannot blame ruqu because she does not know how to love anyone usually orphan kids will be like that love has to be taught not come naturally to anyone. Usually parents and siblings teach meaning of love to a child in life. And then child becomes big and give that love to their next generation. Its a cycle. Sometimes what happens kids who are orphan, come from broken family etc they do not know how to give love etc because they may not be loved by anyone or have been rejected early in life. This has happened with Ruqu to extreme sense. Jalal atleast had BK and Maham, bakshi and other sister and to some extent hamida and Humayun and hakim so he has some understandng of love.
In 21st century loveless wives distract themselves by going to kitty party and social get togethers same way 16th century Ruqu trying to distract herself saying audha
Its all human psychology - if you all read some books on human/animal psychology its a simple thig no human/animal can live without love and care and attention either from family or colleagues etc. If a situation arises where an human does not get love, care, attention from family, friends, colleagues etc they become like ruqu and become possessive of work/position/friend etc. Jalal was similar possessive of wars, winning etc for a long time before he calmed down after marriage to jodha in serial.
Real akbar calmed down after he got kids and became more understanding. That is when he brought about his reforms in his 30s when he made all reforms, became more humane in war etc
Similarly Ruqaiah should get some thing to calm her down to channel her fears, insecurity etc and that shall be salim and later khurram, till then she will continue all this insecure games of hers.


I so agree with you, i connect with the Reel Ruqaiya, she seems more real to me than other characters bcos she is sometimes good, sometimes bad and all humans are so.

In friday episode her loneliness was so clearly shown when she said to Hoshiyar that how she is all free now and even he was not there for me to talk. I so hope her character shapes positively from now onwards.
Edited by amssaiyed - 11 years ago

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