three cheers for monogamy - Page 7

Originally posted by: history_geek

@ myviewprem


I NOW finally understand, why you spread all these false stories on the forum.

The links which you keep providing here and there, on the forum, are communally motivated.

I do not think you are immature enough to understand this propaganda.

The link which you have provided is one of those.

If you want, i can give countless such links as well. But, i do not want to spread false news.

Kindly refrain from repeating this and giving links of some OTHER FORUM here, atleast in the interest of forum, and stop misleading people.😕

No personal issues with you, 😊

but i do not understand what is your problem when Jodha's name is taken with Akbar.??

Every now and then, you write something wrong against them, and finally getting proved WRONG...!!!...😕...

Why don't you mention facts which SPEAK and GLORIFY their relation.?..???...




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If you missed , then read these...

links of all threads, which are historically accurate.
I mean historically accurate, since digital media has created lot of distortions in the history of Akbar and Mariam Zamani/Heera Kunwari/Harka Bai. Mostly for communal and commercial reasons.

Here, are the links, of the threads, which have been compiled after extensive research from Authentic Gov. archives, not by one particular member, but by many researchers on the forum, who are interested in genuine history. 😊



Part1: Mariam Zamani - Some unknown facts
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46


Part2: Akbar Ruqayya-False Monogamy Clause, Ruqayya Miscarriage Incident, Akbar-Amer relations, etc.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36


Part3: GLORY OF FAITH : Akbar with Mariam Zamani Begum - Their Famous Painting
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26


Part4: Mughal Dresses + Holi festival + Mirza Hakim + Shivani Track info + Akbar-MUZ Convo. + Benazir Track info etc.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91

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@TM
Sorry, for cluttering your thread, but this issue requires to be sorted..!..😕


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References:::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99108819

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Winners write history and chronicles and indian historians and some european historians have always projected akbar in a favourable manner and not discussed his faults and errors from a practical view. But there are many other authorities in world who have analyzed it practically and i have read their papers(but cannot upload here because its access restricted).

And otherwise also after reading many history books any practical individual can conclude that marriage for akbar was a political too to gain acceptance among indian princely states and citizens and to expand empire. Was it right or wrong? For the girls family and akbar it was a win win situation but for the girls whether jodha or anyone it was not a winning proposition. Their family got all benefits and the girls were locked away in harem rarely free to go out and enjoy. And i can only imagine if a man has 300 wives and 1000s of cocubines the situation of every women in harem.

Jodha had place in akbar's life after she gave birth to salim his heir. If not some other woman who gave birth to his son would have got all attention she got period. Why jodha had a palace before salim is because she was the first hindu wife so he may have built a place for her to carry on her customs and religion uninterrupted. If she was so liked why neither akbar nor jehangir mention her in their biography by name. They just mention her father's back ground. Why no women gets detailed mention in akbarnama when akbar only sanctioned its writing? And jehangir mentions his siblings in details why miss out the details of his mothers. Jehangir himself mentions that his father most favourite wife was Ruqaiah why would he not have mentioned his mom was most favourite if that had been the case it would be matter of happiness for a son.

Other chronicles do mention in bits and pieces about the women but not Mughal autobiographies that itself will make any layman conclude the position women had in the harem and the mughal's life. That was not the case of babar's autobiography or humayun's biography written by gulbadan.

Every human can have different viewpoints about a topic. I appreciate akbar trying to unite india subcontinent under one empire but i am not blid to his errors and follies neither do i take any chronicle mughal or otherwise with pich of salt. The fact was the matter was in middle path.

Jodha-Akbar love story is actually fictional, otherwise other mughal love stories have become floklore like nur jahan-jehangir, mumtaz-shah jahan why was akbar-jodha never around for 500 years. We had never heard of this mentioned in any comic book, history book or folk lore etc. This was just imagined and created by movie makers and now extended by serial makers because indians are fascinated by historical love stories. If someone makes a serial akbar no one will be interested to watch those wars, politics etc so they added jodha and told its a love story.

Regarding my ideas being communally motivated, i beg to differ. I go through all points and then come to conclusion. I am not saying akbar was completely bad he was good but later on in life but in terms of women and marriages etc i do not think he was right neither do i think he really loved anyone. Yes ruqwaiah was his childhood friend he may be extra close to her that also again is not true love. He wanted a heir and wanted to use his emperor position to get women he liked. Otherwise Akbar married 12 rajput princess in his 50s on same day when Salim was already father of Khusrau and Parvez and his son Daniyal and Murad had kids too. True love makes you respect your wife and not give that place to anyone else in life. Jehangir did not marry after Nur jahan she was his true love all other marriages were political and usually fixed by his parents, Shah Jahan did not marry after Mumtaz and only married after she died, Khusrau rejected the proposal of ladli banu from nur jahan and forgo the chance to become next emperor of india, shah jahan rejected ladli begum proposal and to made nur jahan his enemy and hunted across mughal empire children in tow, dara sikoh married a street dance girl ranadil despite opposition from family all can be called true love. In true love you sacrifice for your lover your pleasure, your happiness, your chance to be emperor etc that is true love according to me.

Neither i am interested in spreading false rumors or communal motivated agendas. Everyone can make their own conclusions after reading as many books. Just putting across a different view which has been also available in many books and sites. I have no personal agenda agianst akbar or for akbar or jodha or for any historical character or any viewer too. But these are my viewpoints that i have read some books and sites and concluded. I wrote comments on this post from a practical viewpoint that is it. You can accept or reject my viewpoint it does not bother me. I have a mind of my own and i stick to my viewpoints after my own analysis.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Winners write history and chronicles and indian historians and some european historians have always projected akbar in a favourable manner and not discussed his faults and errors from a practical view. But there are many other authorities in world who have analyzed it practically and i have read their papers(but cannot upload here because its access restricted).

And otherwise also after reading many history books any practical individual can conclude that marriage for akbar was a political too to gain acceptance among indian princely states and citizens and to expand empire. Was it right or wrong? For the girls family and akbar it was a win win situation but for the girls whether jodha or anyone it was not a winning proposition. Their family got all benefits and the girls were locked away in harem rarely free to go out and enjoy. And i can only imagine if a man has 300 wives and 1000s of cocubines the situation of every women in harem.

Jodha had place in akbar's life after she gave birth to salim his heir. If not some other woman who gave birth to his son would have got all attention she got period. Why jodha had a palace before salim is because she was the first hindu wife so he may have built a place for her to carry on her customs and religion uninterrupted. If she was so liked why neither akbar nor jehangir mention her in their biography by name. They just mention her father's back ground. Why no women gets detailed mention in akbarnama when akbar only sanctioned its writing? And jehangir mentions his siblings in details why miss out the details of his mothers. Jehangir himself mentions that his father most favourite wife was Ruqaiah why would he not have mentioned his mom was most favourite if that had been the case it would be matter of happiness for a son.

Other chronicles do mention in bits and pieces about the women but not Mughal autobiographies that itself will make any layman conclude the position women had in the harem and the mughal's life. That was not the case of babar's autobiography or humayun's biography written by gulbadan.

Every human can have different viewpoints about a topic. I appreciate akbar trying to unite india subcontinent under one empire but i am not blid to his errors and follies neither do i take any chronicle mughal or otherwise with pich of salt. The fact was the matter was in middle path.

Jodha-Akbar love story is actually fictional, otherwise other mughal love stories have become floklore like nur jahan-jehangir, mumtaz-shah jahan why was akbar-jodha never around for 500 years. We had never heard of this mentioned in any comic book, history book or folk lore etc. This was just imagined and created by movie makers and now extended by serial makers because indians are fascinated by historical love stories. If someone makes a serial akbar no one will be interested to watch those wars, politics etc so they added jodha and told its a love story.

Regarding my ideas being communally motivated, i beg to differ. I go through all points and then come to conclusion. I am not saying akbar was completely bad he was good but later on in life but in terms of women and marriages etc i do not think he was right neither do i think he really loved anyone. Yes ruqwaiah was his childhood friend he may be extra close to her that also again is not true love. He wanted a heir and wanted to use his emperor position to get women he liked. Otherwise Akbar married 12 rajput princess in his 50s on same day when Salim was already father of Khusrau and Parvez and his son Daniyal and Murad had kids too. True love makes you respect your wife and not give that place to anyone else in life. Jehangir did not marry after Nur jahan she was his true love all other marriages were political and usually fixed by his parents, Shah Jahan did not marry after Mumtaz and only married after she died, Khusrau rejected the proposal of ladli banu from nur jahan and forgo the chance to become next emperor of india, shah jahan rejected ladli begum proposal and to made nur jahan his enemy and hunted across mughal empire children in tow, dara sikoh married a street dance girl ranadil despite opposition from family all can be called true love. In true love you sacrifice for your lover your pleasure, your happiness, your chance to be emperor etc that is true love according to me.

Neither i am interested in spreading false rumors or communal motivated agendas. Everyone can make their own conclusions after reading as many books. Just putting across a different view which has been also available in many books and sites. I have no personal agenda agianst akbar or for akbar or jodha or for any historical character or any viewer too. My sympathies are with Jodha and many other women in the harem. But these are my viewpoints that i have read some books and sites and concluded. I wrote comments on this post from a practical viewpoint that is it. You can accept or reject my viewpoint it does not bother me. I have a mind of my own and i stick to my viewpoints after my own analysis and it is neither communally motivated because i do not belong to both mughals or rajpuths. This is my idependent analysis after reading few books and articles and links too.

Res..





Whatever you have written is nothing NEW and NOT totally correct also... All here know this...

But, this time CORRECTIONS ARE NEEDED...

ALAS, you could not understand the meaning of my reply...

Dear myviewprem

Everybody in the forum are bashing ruquaiya...comeon guys..imageine jodha as first wife and ruquiya sec wife u think jodha would ah allowd jala to remary other woman..she woud have torn him apart...

Originally posted by: history_geek

Res..

No where you mention your sources and keep saying this is research.!.

Why you can' t quote the articles / references .!.

I do not know who/what stops you from quoting the references.!.😕

There is NO restriction on quoting references...

I quote each reference of MINE and no one stops me...

What's the problem with you.dear😕

Whatever you have written is nothing NEW and NOT totally correct also... All here know this...

But, this time CORRECTIONS ARE NEEDED...

ALAS, you could not understand the meaning of my reply...

@Abhay: I don't understand why u r wasting ur energy and precious time after some who are on purpose being blind...!! Don't u know that if someone is asleep , u can surely wake that person, but if someone is pretending to be asleep , u can never ever wake that person..!!😕

@Others : I am surprised that people are finding these as true Love...!!

1.Jahangir Murdering Sher Afghan for marrying NurJahan who was her husband and with whom she had a daughter too!!

2.Shah Jahan making Mumtaz give birth to 14 children without gap within 18 yrs of their union which ultimately causes her to wither away and DIE... And marries immediately after she dies...!!

(Does making a Taj Mahal Justify that?? NOWAYS...that too when the mausoleum was the cause of lifetime handicap for thousands of Artisans...)

3.Dara Shikoh married Rana-Dil after Shah Jahan approved of it and his sister Jahanara helped...so it was not in opposition to family...and BTW, Rana-Dil may be born among courtesans , but she was with exceptional talent and a lady with high ideals.She went to become "Sati" after Dara's Death...and when rescued by fakir, she devoted her life being his disciple.

I am in a time crunch so have to stop now...

But the fact is that to certain people, Jodha's name kindles a kind of animosity for some unknown reason...
So, no use in trying to douse the fire whose source is unknown.

Pity the Lady has so much opposition even in this century.

Regards,
Kamal

P.S. I think there should be a tutorial for understanding the difference between Writers and Historians...😉
What say Abhay??

Originally posted by: katana

In yesterday's episode too, he asked Ruks to join him as she is his good friend. Most of the time (while talking to Ruks ) he uses the word friend not wife.

Originally posted by: Deepti1808

Yes he does but I do not think Ruq minded it till now. She was content with it as for her that was the extent of Jalal's affection for anyone.

She believed him when he said he has no DIL but all of a sudden she finds that Jalal does infact have a DIL which is capable of feeling love but the love is NOT directed towards her.

So possibly she might feel shortchanged or even cheated.

But Deepti how can Jalaal responsible for that... It was destiny that choose JJ ... Jalaal was brought up by BK & MA saying he doesn't have a heart and he should be cruel & ruthless to RULE HINDUSTAN...Jalaal believed their words & keep telling to Ruqu & others he didn't have a heart... Ruqu was fine even though he doesn't have a heart... She didn't expect him to love her as Jalaal gave her importance & always supported her . She always showed her Auda & flaunted her importance MEK before other begums..


JO entered his life , JO always says love should be there in wife-husband relationship... She is the first Hindu wife he got married due to attraction & want to conquer her to satisfy his ego... But after being his wife also she rejected him as a husband, she never showed interested in him, while he always showed interest seeing her & fighting with her.. Now he wanted to conquer her physically & mentally and run after her only to realized his LONG LOST HEART was lost to JO & now it only wants JO love..

So how can Jalaal responsible which he himself doesn't know, & when he realized he has a heart it started beating for only JO not anyone...So how can Ruqu feel cheated & shortchanged when he didn't realised when he started changing for JO...

I think now Jalaal doesn't know Jo loves him that way he did, when he gets her confession, he will confirm Ruqu, but i still feel in all this Ruqu will think it's only Jalaal attracted to JO not love as he didn't have SR with her and if SR happens he will forget her...

In one of the episode, some begums prayed that Jalaal should fall in love with someone then only Ruqu will understand their pain ...It's like she never dreamt Jalaal will fall in love with someone & also thinks her Auda will be in danger... But when Jalaal gives her that auda, she will feel & realize she wants Jalaal & how foolish she didn't have that emotional attachment which he always looked for, while she buzy in haram ...

Some changes will bound to happen as equations will change now, till now Jalaal eyes are set on ruqu only, but it's going to shit to JO...Jalaal can't stop loving JO, nor feel and shower the love to Ruqu as he feels towards JO...So tough times ahead for Ruqu hope she accept the truth & JO in his life...As none is responsible for this as all 3 Ruqu-Jalaal-Jodha are destined by destiny...