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Posted: 11 years ago
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yup ..thank god we live in the monogamous era.. i mean how can a woman share her husband with so many ??
Regarding ruks i dont think she loves jalal ...but her loyalty to jalal is indeniable...he had her chappatis with love as a friend ..i think jalal has the habit of smirking..i mean he always smirks😡😆
Rukaiyya position and power is more imp than him..its clearly shown wen she was pregnant ...She fears that if she gives jodha to jalal then her position will be at stake ..jalal knows about it very well even suggested it but that fear of losing him made her a commoner...
If rukaiiya loved him so much then y once she didnt pay any heed to jodha 's fear abt benazir being vishkanya ??
I do not have any sympathy for rukaiiya .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ruqu was only person who married him and he got benefitted by her property and provinces and she never got anything in return instead she stayed loyal to him her step son salim her grandson khurram. If she did some injustice it was to khurram mother jodh bai not to salim's mother hira bai at all and never to jalal. They all took advantage of her because she did not have parents, siblings no one to call her own unlike salima, jodha and others who had maternal family etc to fight for them.

All other wives/cocubbines married him for his power including jodha and for what they got after marrying him like jodha's father got back amer, protection for life, his sons and grandsons got mansabdari and jalal got loyalty from rajputhana amer state for life
Salima a widow got protection for life and her fate secured
But what did ruqu get from akbar 300 more wives 1000 more cocubbines and he took away her freedom, her right to marry someone she loved, her father's property(mind you her father owned huge places as mirza gifted by babar in his native lands) and all hindal mirza's money and jewels etc.
I do not understand why people abuse ruqu whether real/reel? She lost much more and gave jalal much more and he used her royally all life. But all other wives benefitted from marrying him and he them. But in jalal-ruqu case he benefitted and she lost everything. In 21st century this would be clear case of cheating from husband for profits and then abondoning wife for other women.
Ruqaiah in serial is possessive so what? any wife will be and more so a childhood friend cum wife who has no other family in her life to go to to share her pain, happiness apart from jalal. So i never see ruku as villan and think she was used and abused by jalal and others because she was all alone in world. If someone loved her selflessly it was khurram and then salim. No others loved her or cared for her all life that is clear from reading many historical books and also seeing how jalal and hamida etc behave with her in serial. I can totally sympathise and see why she is possessive she is insecure has no family apart from jalal. Once salim and khurram came along in her life she stopped being insecure because she found unconditional love and support some anchors for her life and hence she let go akbar and concentrated on them and gave them unconditional love and care. So much that when she visited her father hindal's grave as pilgrimage they both accompanied her along and jehangir no matter what pressure from nur jahan never gave malika-e-aliya post to her out of respect for step mom. That shows how much salim, khurram both loved her and she in return because love(especially non blood related step relationships) cannot develop without true love.
And akbar was guilty so he gave her whatever she wanted and like jehangir mentioned was giving her max love and attention because he was guilty later on in life for injustice he did to her. Ruqu had 3 kids who died from jalal and 1 kid from salima so means jalal did not mind having physical relationship with cousins. He even married salim to many first cousins so although he may have banned or be against such marriages it means that he was fine with him, his sons, grandsons all marrying cousins. So we cannot deduce he disliked marrying ruquu and salima.
Yes in serial they are showing ruqu as too much negative but so is jalal how he schemed agianst jodha with ruqu now suddenly he fell in love with jodha so he is treating ruqu badly and indifferently. Ruqu is doing out of insecurity and its OK if it does not go to murder attempts like maham. Isn't jodha insecure about other wives do not she ask about benazir, feel sad if he give more attention to ruqu or salima(DEK once) so why only ruqu villan and other wives like salima, jodha good. They have salim, rahim whom did ruqu have and they had families parents, siblings she have no one. I think history ruqaiah was an innocent soul and reel ruqaiah is scheming but again not so clever and cannot make out others taking advantage of her.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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HONESTLY, there can never be that true romantic love with someone who is related by blood, but def respect and that's what she has and lives on. MUZ was Jodha and that is the highest position for a begam and in real life she had that.

Ruk is insecure more about her title not loosing Jalal. WHy?
Jalal+his throne=her audha, not Jalal no audha.

She is not a do or die chick and today's episode made me sick to my stomach to have her since it's Valentine's Day. I did not want a haddi in kebab like her. I miss the old ruk she was not that annoying
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

<font size="2">Ruqu was only person who married him and he got benefitted by her property and provinces and she never got anything in return instead she stayed loyal to him her step son salim her grandson khurram. If she did some injustice it was to khurram mother jodh bai not to salim's mother hira bai at all and never to jalal. They all took advantage of her because she did not have parents, siblings no one to call her own unlike salima, jodha and others who had maternal family etc to fight for them. </font>


<font size="2">All other wives/cocubbines married him for his power including jodha and for what they got after marrying him like jodha's father got back amer, protection for life, his sons and grandsons got mansabdari and jalal got loyalty from rajputhana amer state for life</font>


<font size="2">Salima a widow got protection for life and her fate secured</font>


<font size="2">But what did ruqu get from akbar 300 more wives 1000 more cocubbines and he took away her freedom, her right to marry someone she loved, her father's property(mind you her father owned huge places as mirza gifted by babar in his native lands) and all hindal mirza's money and jewels etc. </font>


<font size="2">I do not understandwhy people abuse ruqu whether real/reel? She lost much more and gave jalal much more and he used her royally all life. But all other wives benefitted from marrying him and he them. But in jalal-ruqu case he benefitted and she lost everything. In 21st century this would be clear case of cheating from husband for profits and then abondoning wife for other women. </font>



Wow a true Ruqu supporter 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: brownprincess25

HONESTLY, there can never be that true romantic love with someone who is related by blood, but def respect and that's what she has and lives on. MUZ was Jodha and that is the highest position for a begam and in real life she had that.

Ruk is insecure more about her title not loosing Jalal. WHy?
Jalal+his throne=her audha, not Jalal no audha.

She is not a do or die chick and today's episode made me sick to my stomach to have her since it's Valentine's Day. I did not want a haddi in kebab like her. I miss the old ruk she was not that annoying


True 😵


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunshine_sun

yup ..thank god we live in the monogamous era.. i mean how can a woman share her husband with so many ??
Regarding ruks i dont think she loves jalal ...but her loyalty to jalal is indeniable...he had her chappatis with love as a friend ..i think jalal has the habit of smirking..i mean he always smirks😡😆
Rukaiyya position and power is more imp than him..its clearly shown wen she was pregnant ...She fears that if she gives jodha to jalal then her position will be at stake ..jalal knows about it very well even suggested it but that fear of losing him made her a commoner...
If rukaiiya loved him so much then y once she didnt pay any heed to jodha 's fear abt benazir being vishkanya ??
I do not have any sympathy for rukaiiya .


I never said she is not power conscious.
But loving Jalal and her position both together is not wrong.
Why does her being ambitious make her incapable of loving. The two things are not mutually exclusive is my point.

Remember post ben ruq thx jo n says she can ask for anything except jalal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ruqu was only person who married him and he got benefitted by her property and provinces and she never got anything in return instead she stayed loyal to him her step son salim her grandson khurram. If she did some injustice it was to khurram mother jodh bai not to salim's mother hira bai at all and never to jalal. They all took advantage of her because she did not have parents, siblings no one to call her own unlike salima, jodha and others who had maternal family etc to fight for them.

All other wives/cocubbines married him for his power including jodha and for what they got after marrying him like jodha's father got back amer, protection for life, his sons and grandsons got mansabdari and jalal got loyalty from rajputhana amer state for life
Salima a widow got protection for life and her fate secured
But what did ruqu get from akbar 300 more wives 1000 more cocubbines and he took away her freedom, her right to marry someone she loved, her father's property(mind you her father owned huge places as mirza gifted by babar in his native lands) and all hindal mirza's money and jewels etc.
I do not understand why people abuse ruqu whether real/reel? She lost much more and gave jalal much more and he used her royally all life. But all other wives benefitted from marrying him and he them. But in jalal-ruqu case he benefitted and she lost everything. In 21st century this would be clear case of cheating from husband for profits and then abondoning wife for other women.
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Don't FORGET too Humayun's brothers also screwed him over too after his battle in Gujarat. BUT Humuyun forgave Hindal. So, if he did give Jalal all this, SO WHAT-- Humayun also saved his butt and forgave him for betraying him. All his brothers were jealous of HUmyun right from when Babur declared him his successor. You forgetting there is politics involved, and that means give and take.😊
Edited by brownprincess25 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Deepti1808


I never said she is not power conscious.
But loving Jalal and her position both together is not wrong.
Why does her being ambitious make her incapable of loving. The two things are not mutually exclusive is my point.

Remember post ben ruq thx jo n says she can ask for anything except jalal.


Thru jalal she has that power n she is no one to say that she cant have him...polygamy is prevalent on those days n she has to bear ,mentally prepared for all that 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: brownprincess25

HONESTLY, there can never be that true romantic love with someone who is related by blood, but def respect and that's what she has and lives on. MUZ was Jodha and that is the highest position for a begam and in real life she had that.

Ruk is insecure more about her title not loosing Jalal. WHy?
Jalal+his throne=her audha, not Jalal no audha.

She is not a do or die chick and today's episode made me sick to my stomach to have her since it's Valentine's Day. I did not want a haddi in kebab like her. I miss the old ruk she was not that annoying



@bold...👏

Read this::
credit - lizzy


One of the principle edict of Din-I-illahi according to the Badauni chronicles was not marrying within the close family ..the reason supplied for this is the lack of sexual vigour in the marriage between the cousins..din-I-illahi also forbids sexual intercourse with barren women..

so what does this say about ruqqu-jalal relationship??



Salim' s first wife was bhagwant das' s daughter..the reason given for her selection in ain-I-akbari is the fine genetic pool she brings with her..

so what does that have say about jalal's thoughts on jodha and her family??



I feel i need not answer ... You can understand better...!!...
This is about REAL JALAL-JODHA-RUQAYYA..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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yaar.. she wasn't his begum-e-khas and chief consort. That is info from a previous version of Ruqu's wiki page. It was truly distorted and cited fictional books as sources. This is an image cultivated by internet with no relation to actual history whatsover.

There is no clear consensus on who was Akbar's favourite but it surely wasn't Ruqu. Among the sources, there are instances where MUZ/Jodha or Salima crops up (more instances of Jodha, though).

But it is undisputed that Akbar had 3 chief wives. This is what history shouts back at us.
Edited by ann2012 - 11 years ago

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