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Posted: 11 years ago
@simply:agreed i dont think the issue is the importance given to arjun any one who has read the epic knows how important arjun is and how great he is.I wont comment on whether arjun is the most important in the epic or not that is a separate topic but he is definately important,definatey a hero ,he has acheived many heroic feats in the epic and is my fav so there is no doubt about his heroism.Hence there is absolutely no need to add anything extra whatever ved vyas ji has written for him is more than enough to project him as a hero especially no need to give him things that other pandavas did.For example yudi whether we like him or not the fact is is he was one of the intellegent pandavas that he was their leader that other brother's followed whatever he said.As it is yudi doenst have many heroic acts in the epic if they give away the few things that he did do for example like lakshagarh to arjun then his character will be completly destroyed
I think the main issue with this particular draupadi arjun episode wasnt the episode itself it was fear of the future how will in future after marriage her relationships will be potrayed with other panadavs will they get some importance some type of establishment of their own?Becuase in most of the tracks other pandavas have been ignored and the thing i fear is that in the future also it will be the same that they will be ignored when it comes to draupadi as well which i dont think is fair either to drauapdi's charcter or other panadavs but in any case lets give CV's a chance may be they surprise us
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Posted: 11 years ago
It is surprising, that when Draupadi is won over by Arjun, everybody including Drupad, Kunti, Vyasa, Dhrishtadyumna and the Pandavas are asked their opinion about Draupadi's polyandrous marriage. But the person who's opinion and wishes mattered most is never consulted on this. Hence we never really hear what Draupadi feels about the whole polyandrous marriage thing. And it cannot be just imputed to women's supposed inferior social status, because when Bhishma kidnaps the three Kashi princesses, Amba openly tells him about her love for Shalva.
No wonder then, that authors come up with nonsense like Draupadi harbouring romantic feelings for Karna.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@ashwi:Agreed.
I used to also think the same but recently while re reading Mahabhart i came across something that makes me think that Drauapadi wasnt unhappy with the arrangement
Vaisampayana said, 'When the Kuru princes (Bhima and Arjuna) were wending towards the abode of the potter, Dhrishtadyumna, the Panchala prince followed them. And sending away all his attendants, he concealed himself in some part of the potter's house, unknown to the Pandavas. Then Bhima, that grinder of all foes, and Jishnu, and the illustrious twins, on returning from their eleemosynary round in the evening, cheerfully gave everything unto Yudhishthira. Then the kind-hearted Kunti addressing the daughter of Drupada said, 'O amiable one, take thou first a portion from this and devote it to the gods and give it away to Brahmanas, and feed those that desire to eat and give unto those who have become our guests. Divide the rest into two halves. Give one of these unto Bhima, O amiable one, for this strong youth of fair complexion--equal unto a king of elephants--this hero always eateth much. And divide the other half into six parts, four for these youths, one for myself, and one for thee.' Then the princess hearing those instructive words of her mother-in-law cheerfully did all that she had been directed to do. And those heroes then all ate of the food prepared by Krishna. Then Sahadeva, the son of Madri, endued with great activity, spread on the ground a bed of kusa grass. Then those heroes, each spreading thereon his deer-skin, laid themselves down to sleep. And those foremost of the Kuru princes lay down with heads towards the south. And Kunti laid herself down along the line of their heads, and Krishna along that of their feet. And Krishna though she lay with the sons of Pandu on that bed of kusa grass along the line of their feet as if she were their nether pillow, grieved not in her heart nor thought disrespectfully of those bulls amongst the Kurus.
This was after kunti had asked them to share draupadi and it was decied she will marry all five pandavas
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Posted: 11 years ago
Glad to understand that 'no one' was against Arjun's glorification per se. It's only others' trivialisation that was being objected. For my limited understanding, I was under impression that emphasis on Arjun was scorned- as gathered from first few pages here. So apologising a somewhat rash intrusion, am concluding with a citation relating to perhaps more topical part of debate. As a claim was ventured earlier...

After Arjun's departure from Kamyaka Van...Vyas writes;
"...The princess of Panchala in particular, remembering her third lord, addressed the anxious Yudhishthira and said, 'That Arjuna who with two hands rivals the thousand-armed Arjuna (of old), alas, without that foremost of the sons of Pandu, this forest doth not seem at all beautiful in my eyes. Without him, whenever I cast my eyes, this earth seems to be forlorn. Even this forest with its blossoming trees and so full of wonders, without Arjuna seems not so delightful as before. Without him who is like a mass of blue clouds (in hue), who hath the prowess of an infuriated elephant, and whose eyes are like the leaves of the lotus, this Kamyaka forest doth not seem beautiful to me. Remembering that hero capable of drawing the bow with his left hand, and the twang of whose bow sounds like the roar of thunder, I cannot feel any happiness, O king!'...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: simplysappie

And regarding Bheem , I think the makers fantasise him as the eternal laddoo eater .. What you said about his importance is 110% true .. But they he has been potrayed here , I now a days find that chotta bheem more convincing and appealing ..


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Posted: 11 years ago
@smrth:i am glad we are all in agreement now.Arjun deserves all the glory becuase he has acheived heroic feats.But so do other pandavas becuase even they have their momenets of glory in the epic even yudi but its either being skipped or given away to arjun hence the frustration.
Even if makers want to show that draupadi loved arjun a bit more than the others that is fine as well but they also need to show that she did have a loving relation with all brother's or else it wont be fair to her image as sati.After Panadavas i dont want another fav character of mine to be distorted that is all.She had a beautiful relation with all pandavas
And Drupada's daughter of dark hue and slender waist then performed her ablutions. And washing her body and cloths with water Krishna began to ponder weepingly on the means of dispelling her grief. And she reflected, saying, 'What am I to do? Whither shall I go? How can my purpose be effected?' And while she was thinking thus, she remembered Bhima and said to herself, 'There is none else, save Bhima, that can today accomplish the purpose on which my heart is set!' And afflicted with great grief, the large-eyed and intelligent Krishna possessed of powerful protectors then rose up at night, and leaving her bed speedily proceeded towards the quarters of Bhimasena, desirous of beholding her lord. And possessed of great intelligence, the daughter of Drupada entered her husband's quarters, saying, 'How canst thou sleep while that wretched commander of Virata's forces, who is my foe, yet liveth, having perpetrated today that (foul act)?'"Vaisampayana continued, 'Then the chamber where Bhima slept, breathing hard like a lion, being filled with the beauty of Drupada's daughter and of the high-souled Bhima, blazed forth in splendour. And Krishna of sweet smiles, finding Bhimasena in the cooking apartments, approached him with the eagerness of a three-year old cow brought up in the woods, approaching a powerful bull, in her first season, or of a she-crane living by the water-side approaching her mate in the pairing season. And the Princess of Panchala then embraced the second son of Pandu, even as a creeper embraces a huge and mighty Sala on the banks of the Gomati. And embracing him with her arms, Krishna of faultless features awaked him as a lioness awaketh a sleeping lion in a trackless forest. And embracing Bhimasena even as a she-elephant embraceth her mighty mate, the faultless Panchali addressed him in voice sweet as thesound of a stringed instrument emitting Gandhara note. And she said, 'Arise, arise! Why dost thou, O Bhimasena, lie down as one dead? Surely, he that is not dead, never suffereth a wicked wretch that hath disgraced his wife, to live.' And awakened by the princess, Bhima of mighty arms, then rose up, and sat upon his couch overlaid with a rich bed. And he of the Kuru race then addressed the princess--his beloved wife, saying, 'For what purpose hast thou come hither in such a hurry? Thy colour is gone and thou lookest lean and pale. Tell me everything in detail. I must know the truth. Whether it be pleasurable or painful, agreeable, or disagreeable, tell me all. Having heard everything, I shall apply the remedy. I alone, O Krishna, am entitled to thy confidence in all things, for it is I who deliver thee from perils again and again! Tell me quickly what is thy wish, and what is the purpose that is in thy view, and return thou to thy bed before others awake.'"
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Posted: 11 years ago
I liked the episode and the scene
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Posted: 11 years ago
Bhim! Ever protective and devoted. Can't help but notice the difference in tone in both citations; one- 'forlorn'. Other- 'purposeful'..by criteria of diligence, Bhim was foremost no doubt. Draupadi knew this well. In fact Bhim, prime thrust of her revenge. All 100 were wiped out through him- including gruesome ends of Duri and Dushahshan...

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: anonymouswriter

I liked the episode and the scene


Bless your courage! 😆...
Ok venturing an opinion after all! In fact it was not a bad one cinematically. Preparatory script, if in embellishment mode- so be it, not so illogical an encounter- one in search of raw earth on river bank, the other on a preconscious temple visit- prompted by an intent God of fate? And the 'footsteps' of knocking fate. If this later 'embellishment' is exaggerated melodrama- and misnomer detail- auspicious symbols adorned Krishna's foot soles- then it was softened with subsequently restrained treatment. Soft Music, pleasant presentation and two fine looking, well cast actors. It was a restrained and competent display by both actors which should be applauded more than running it all down as a 'disgusting' sublimation at the cost of others not even present. IMO...
The danger is overdoing all these 'now'...
Haven't we progressed? Quite a persisting thread!😲

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Posted: 11 years ago
Must say it was one my most loved episodes of Mahabharat. I should have said this earlier.😆

Originally posted by: smrth

Bhim! Ever protective and devoted. Can't help but notice the difference in tone in both citations; one- 'forlorn'. Other- 'purposeful'..by criteria of diligence, Bhim was foremost no doubt. Draupadi knew this well. In fact Bhim, prime thrust of her revenge. All 100 were wiped out through him- including gruesome ends of Duri and Dushahshan...



I felt the same while reading that para. Draupadi was a clever woman. Even in her grief and anger, she knew which of her husbands will react the way she wants. 😉

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