Arjun-Draupadi - Page 15

Originally posted by: smrth

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Thanks ashwi_d, for an interesting reply...

Speaking of the opinion, I haven't taken it as a given 'fact'. I have been commenting about the plausibility as per text only. And perhaps it's not 'much a distortion' vis. presented track only- admitting clearly it was an embellishment- and hoping, they don't 'overdo' it..But much less irrational than other humbugs thrust in the serial...

Regarding your question about an 'arbitrary sin'; While personally I have not concluded anything on the argued 'angle'-i am arguing only it's plausibility- am not perceiving it as any 'ethical lapse' either. For an indisputable fact, she is not failing in any of her duty as wife to all her Husbands. She is unflinchingly impartial and devoted to all on this count. So where is she lapsing in this regard? Now coming to her inner thoughts, why could she not have an individual emotion per se? Is she not an individual in her own right?...a clarification here (regarding 'dharmik angle')a personally I am not judging any of the characters. Just trying to understand the logic of the narration from POV of its author...

In this regards while veracity of Yudhishtir's statement may well be open to individual opinion, the point is its existence and its relevance. Irony is, while much indignation is showed over 'no such narration' in the text, in this case, text itself, specific to this angle is dismissed as an uncomfortable afterthought. Something more, this is not the only relevant text. There are at least two other occurrences vis. text indicating this angle- from at least one side...will try to furnish, at the moment some other matters are calling for attention. 😊

I agree with you, if Draupadi loved Arjun more than her other husbands then how is it a 'sin'? It has been discussed ad nauseum how Pandavas themselves loved their other wives more than Draupadi. Then why is it 'sin' for Draupadi to love one of them more? The epic never showed her as a biased wife, she treated all of them equally. Isnt it admirable then, that despite loving one more than the others, she fulfilled her wifely duty equally for all of them.

For me, its not impossible to think Draupadi might have loved Arjun more than the others. Drupad wanted a daughter so she could marry someone like Arjun. Arjun won Draupadi's hand in Swayamvar, atleast for that moment she must have thought he is going to be the one. Until, the random utterance from Kunti changes the course of her life.

Originally posted by: devashree_h

I agree with you, if Draupadi loved Arjun more than her other husbands then how is it a 'sin'? It has been discussed ad nauseum how Pandavas themselves loved their other wives more than Draupadi. Then why is it 'sin' for Draupadi to love one of them more? The epic never showed her as a biased wife, she treated all of them equally. Isnt it admirable then, that despite loving one more than the others, she fulfilled her wifely duty equally for all of them.

For me, its not impossible to think Draupadi might have loved Arjun more than the others. Drupad wanted a daughter so she could marry someone like Arjun. Arjun won Draupadi's hand in Swayamvar, atleast for that moment she must have thought he is going to be the one. Until, the random utterance from Kunti changes the course of her life.

@Pooja--

Please Stop linking Draupadi and Karna together , it is a highly controversial matter and have been debated earlier.

Karna and Draupadi had no passion between them ,their relation was like give one insult take one insult thats it end of story.

Originally posted by: smrth

And what is so wrong in showing Arjun as Hero? For all practical purpose, Ved Vyas did indeed narrate him as single most important hero of his epic. Yes Krishna is most important as God incarnate. Alongside, Arjun is concurrent theme. Be it his exploit as Drona's pupil, Guru Dakshina, Draupadi Swayanwara, 12 years exploration and pushes, or war itself, and most important, as first recipient of Geeta, Arjun is central theme. Only Bhim parallels as second hero or his exploits. So what is actual distortion here? To show Draupadi contemplating his hero image prior to marriage? Actually there is a base. If there is a hint that Drupad had wanted Arjun as a most eligible Prince, then Draupadi must indeed be aware of him and her interest kindled. Coming to this adaption, why much more baseless distortion as Kunti's prior knowledge of Karna's existence or all that nonsense would go unnoticed and this relevant embellishment on Draupadi's probable inclination as 'blatant' distortions?...

That's true, the other roles especially Yudhisthir r compromised for his sake, I wish they wouldn't ruin Arjun in this way.

Originally posted by: devashree_h

I agree with you, if Draupadi loved Arjun more than her other husbands then how is it a 'sin'? It has been discussed ad nauseum how Pandavas themselves loved their other wives more than Draupadi. Then why is it 'sin' for Draupadi to love one of them more? The epic never showed her as a biased wife, she treated all of them equally. Isnt it admirable then, that despite loving one more than the others, she fulfilled her wifely duty equally for all of them.

For me, its not impossible to think Draupadi might have loved Arjun more than the others. Drupad wanted a daughter so she could marry someone like Arjun. Arjun won Draupadi's hand in Swayamvar, atleast for that moment she must have thought he is going to be the one. Until, the random utterance from Kunti changes the course of her life.

Originally posted by: ashwi_d

Yes you can call Arjun as the protagonist considering the amount of 'text-space' that he and his exploits enjoy. No harm in showing him as such. But definitely not at the expense of the other characters. For example a lot of times he takes on the role of Yudisthir in leading and guiding the others. He is the one who makes all the major decisions, it's almost as if the presence of the other Pandavas makes no difference. They have glorified Arjun, by dumbing down the other characters, which is what everybody is upset about.

Originally posted by: smrth

Devashree! glad to see you after a long time.

Never thought I would end up analysing Draupadi's 'romantic inclination' on IF! 😆

You hit the nail! How was Draupadi biased as wife? Why Yudi et al could have this privilege- if they are unbiased in practice- and she can not!?

But you hit one of other 'telling' clue too...after Arjun's success- Ved Vyas wrote " and Draupadi beholding the mark shot and beholding Partha also like unto Indra himself, who had shot the mark, was filled with joy, and approached the son of Kunti..." Here, she had first kindling of affection towards Arjun the victor. Her undivided and sole attention where others are not yet in the 'picture'. And accepts him as her chosen mate...Yes some may hastily dismiss this too as a trivia. But it remains a factual precedence...why would it not leave its lasting mark in the her mind, a woman of as strong convictions as She!?...

Despite all the missing A's, I knew it was you.😆

The thing is, despite being born out of fire, she was still a woman. A woman who was made to marry five brothers. In this unusual circumstances, its not wrong of her to have loved Arjun more. And then, its not canon is absolutely devoid of any such clues.

Originally posted by: smrth

Friend. More than 'text-space' I am pointing out 'text-intent'. The author, the treatment, construction; if we take the epic as an saga- chronicle of a clan- then Vyas is establishing Arjun's line as dynast inheritor in the conclusion, he could have showed other too. Just one pointer along with many others...

But I agree about unnecessary glorification. Not required. Personally I don't care @ Yudi etc. But Bhim is a major disappointment. He IS parallel hero not even second. In some aspects, surpassing even Arjun. These people are miserably falling short on him. Just as on many other counts.😕