Why a woman was always blamed 4 a man's failure

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I feel pity on those person's thinking who blame a woman 4 a man's failure
People say kaise ek aurat nai Mahabharat karva di

People blame mostly Draupadi 4 Mahabharat war but truth is Draupadi's insult was last nail 2 d coffin, mahabharat happened coz many reasons but blame on comes on Draupadi

People remember Prithviraj's valour but they blame sanyogita 4 his failure, what wrong this sanyogita did , it was Prithviraj foolishness 4 forgiving MD. Gori again & again, sanyogita dint made Prithviraj forgave Gori

Alexander's people hated roxxane why coz Alex started favouring her relatives , spending most of d time with her , she was not royal . Alexander was not a foolish man who can came in anyone's words so easily, he was a very gud politician & general, then why 2 blame roxxane 4 alexander's decisions. Roxxane dint forced alexander 2 marry her or favour her relatives. Alexander had a very strong control on himself in terms of women, it was not like he fall 4 every beautiful women, roxxane definately had something in her which made alex marry her.
People say roxxane killed stateira but Can anyone say if opportunity given 2 stateira she would had not harmed roxxane & her child. Cassandra also did same 2 Olympias & roxxane 4 power.

In every era women has 2 be blamed 4 d decisions taken by men's of that era.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I feel pity on those person's thinking who blame a woman 4 a man's failure

People say kaise ek aurat nai Mahabharat karva di

People blame mostly Draupadi 4 Mahabharat war but truth is Draupadi's insult was last nail 2 d coffin, mahabharat happened coz many reasons but blame on comes on Draupadi

People remember Prithviraj's valour but they blame sanyogita 4 his failure, what wrong this sanyogita did , it was Prithviraj foolishness 4 forgiving MD. Gori again & again, sanyogita dint made Prithviraj forgave Gori

Alexander's people hated roxxane why coz Alex started favouring her relatives , spending most of d time with her , she was not royal . Alexander was not a foolish man who can came in anyone's words so easily, he was a very gud politician & general, then why 2 blame roxxane 4 alexander's decisions. Roxxane dint forced alexander 2 marry her or favour her relatives. Alexander had a very strong control on himself in terms of women, it was not like he fall 4 every beautiful women, roxxane definately had something in her which made alex marry her.
People say roxxane killed stateira but Can anyone say if opportunity given 2 stateira she would had not harmed roxxane & her child. Cassandra also did same 2 Olympias & roxxane 4 power.

In every era women has 2 be blamed 4 d decisions taken by men's of that era.


She made him weak. It's fact...
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She made him weak , how , does she was giving him some kind of drugs or poison, i also read roxxane became a weakness of alexander
If i m right Macedonian army was not happy with alex 4 adopting Persian culture

I m not saying roxxane was right but she was not wrong also,
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I feel pity on those person's thinking who blame a woman 4 a man's failure

People say kaise ek aurat nai Mahabharat karva di

People blame mostly Draupadi 4 Mahabharat war but truth is Draupadi's insult was last nail 2 d coffin, mahabharat happened coz many reasons but blame on comes on Draupadi

People remember Prithviraj's valour but they blame sanyogita 4 his failure, what wrong this sanyogita did , it was Prithviraj foolishness 4 forgiving MD. Gori again & again, sanyogita dint made Prithviraj forgave Gori

Alexander's people hated roxxane why coz Alex started favouring her relatives , spending most of d time with her , she was not royal . Alexander was not a foolish man who can came in anyone's words so easily, he was a very gud politician & general, then why 2 blame roxxane 4 alexander's decisions. Roxxane dint forced alexander 2 marry her or favour her relatives. Alexander had a very strong control on himself in terms of women, it was not like he fall 4 every beautiful women, roxxane definately had something in her which made alex marry her.
People say roxxane killed stateira but Can anyone say if opportunity given 2 stateira she would had not harmed roxxane & her child. Cassandra also did same 2 Olympias & roxxane 4 power.

In every era women has 2 be blamed 4 d decisions taken by men's of that era.

I totally agree with you
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Alexander and roxanne are alike...they can kill anybody for power...alex killed all his family members and a small little baby just to make sure that nobody claims for the throne in future. Roxane killed his wifes and their babies (i am not sure if second one was expecting like barsine) ...for the same reason that nobody claims for the throne in future...power ke aage both lost their humanity. Regarding why a women is blamed for man's failure...i have instead listened quotes like a women is behind man's success more. Draupadi ki wajah se mahabharat ho gaya ...that's said because women was expected to take every insult in that era but draupadi wantedd revenge...which was right. Because of her...women learn to fight for their self respect. And ya like you said, draupadi incident was basically the last nail...mahabharat waise bhi honi hi thi. Regarding preithviraj, i have no idea and coming to alexander...lets see ...abhi roxane just met him...dekhte hain aisa kya hain that she is blamed for his downfall. See if he was hiring her people to his army in her love without his army people consent...than that was wrong. Lets see aage kya hota hain.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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So sad😭. But true.
We are living in a male dominated society. So inferior thinking😡
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Originally posted by: luckySnow


She made him weak. It's fact...

Fact?? How on earth did she make him weak?? He had feelings for her and therefore he married her.Feelings do not make a person weak and only a psychopath would be devoid of feelings.
Alex was a human being at the end of the day and he too cared for someone apart from himself.
What's so weak about that??
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@Surbhi,Alex and Roxana did whatever the circumstances made them do.Under normal circumstances they would not have done what they did and I don't think that they took pleasure from their actions either.
That time was such where the survival of the fittest was the norm.Ya toh dusron ko maaro ya phir khud mar jaao.

About Philip then it hasn't been proved that Alexander and Olympias were behind it.There are many theories for one event.
Only a few suggest that Alexander had something to do with it.

Even if Alexander and Olympias were the masterminds behind the assasination then they had their reasons.Kya guarantee hai ki Philip Alexander ko nahi maarta had he lived??
Their relationship was soured to a point of no return and Philip was threatened by Alexander.

However other sources say that the first thing Alexander did when he came to power was punish his father's murderers.

The baby Europa (Cleopatra's daughter)'s death was carried out on Olympias' orders.Alexander himself was highly displeased and angry when he found out.It was an act of pure jealousy on Olympias' part.

In Roxana and Stateira/Barsine's case then everything went haywire just because Alexander died.Had he survived then Roxana kyun maarti Stateira ko?
After Alexander's death his family was left alone and they had to do whatever they did to protect themselves and their position.
Roxana was a widow and in those days women were an easy target.You had to be strong and even ruthless to protect yourself.
Most of Alexander's generals and advisors favoured Stateira and were against Roxana.She did what she could to secure her position.
But karma did pay her back when she too died soon after along with her son.

Ultimately no one could remain happy coz of excessive ambition and the hunger to have more.

Personally I feel Alexander should have returned to Macedonia after he conquered Egypt,Syria,Bactria and Persia.He had already done enough to get his name immortalised in history.
Afterwards he should have returned home and tried to manage and rule over what he had conquered.He could have taken care of his family and raised his kids.And he could have lived as well and proved himself to be a good ruler along with a might conqueror.
His expedition to India,more or less,became one of the causes of his premature death.



Edited by LawlessLawyer - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Brava, Ayesha! Every sentence is spot on . 👏 One mistake folks often make is to apply 21st century norms to the 4th century BC, that too to those caught in very turbulent circumstances.

Moreover, many seem to be confusing the TV serial Porus with reality, and citing actions by the TV characters to prove a point of the goodness of one historical character and the wickedness of another.

For all that, I think Roxanne was a tigress by temperament, the polar opposite of the poor Barsine. Even much later, in renaissance Italy, the Medicis and the Borgias were murderous by temperament, and Catherine de Medicis was Olympias reborn. Not everyone can be like that, no matter what the circumstances.

However, after seeing Lucky Snow's comment, I realised that I had failed to factor in one vital element: the Persians. I was assessing what Roxana did keeping in mind that no matter that they hated her, the Macedonian generals would not do anything to harm Alexander's child, the one she was carrying. I forgot about the Persians. They were masters of intrigue, and would not be held back from murdering the hated Roxana because she was expecting Alexander's child.They would be hoping that Barsine would have a child in due course. Seen this way, what she did was a sort of self defence on Roxana's part. This why one has to judge a matter from all possible angles!

But as for your sentence, the only one aabout which I have some reservations: Had he survived then Roxana kyun maarti Stateira ko? I too think she would not have done any such thing, but only because she would have been afraid of Alexander.

And I agree completely with your last para. But then, you see, as I wrote on your Roxanne thread , Alexander lived for adventure, for the next mountain to be climbed, for the next sea to be crossed, the next battle to be won. In this, he was like Richard the Lion Heart of England, who was more of a knight errant than a king, and died like a knight errant, leaving his country and his people to the tyranny of the weak minded King John. How wonderful things might have been if Alexander had lived longer and truly governed his vast empire, and then passed it on to his well trained son!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

@Surbhi,Alex and Roxana did whatever the circumstances made them do.Under normal circumstances they would not have done what they did and I don't think that they took pleasure from their actions either.

That time was such where the survival of the fittest was the norm.Ya toh dusron ko maaro ya phir khud mar jaao.

About Philip then it hasn't been proved that Alexander and Olympias were behind it.There are many theories for one event.
Only a few suggest that Alexander had something to do with it.

Even if Alexander and Olympias were the masterminds behind the assasination then they had their reasons.Kya guarantee hai ki Philip Alexander ko nahi maarta had he lived??
Their relationship was soured to a point of no return and Philip was threatened by Alexander.

However other sources say that the first thing Alexander did when he came to power was punish his father's murderers.

The baby Europa (Cleopatra's daughter)'s death was carried out on Olympias' orders.Alexander himself was highly displeased and angry when he found out.It was an act of pure jealousy on Olympias' part.

In Roxana and Stateira/Barsine's case then everything went haywire just because Alexander died.Had he survived then Roxana kyun maarti Stateira ko?
After Alexander's death his family was left alone and they had to do whatever they did to protect themselves and their position.
Roxana was a widow and in those days women were an easy target.You had to be strong and even ruthless to protect yourself.
Most of Alexander's generals and advisors favoured Stateira and were against Roxana.She did what she could to secure her position.
But karma did pay her back when she too died soon after along with her son.

Ultimately no one could remain happy coz of excessive ambition and the hunger to have more.

Personally I feel Alexander should have returned to Macedonia after he conquered Egypt,Syria,Bactria and Persia.He had already done enough to get his name immortalised in history.
Afterwards he should have returned home and tried to manage and rule over what he had conquered.He could have taken care of his family and raised his kids.And he could have lived as well and proved himself to be a good ruler along with a might conqueror.
His expedition to India,more or less,became one of the causes of his premature death.

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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My dear Deepika,

I would agree with you completely as far as Draupadi and Sanyukta/ Sanyogita go. The Pandava men were pathetic losers , both literally and figuratively, during the game of dice, no matter what excuses are trotted out for them afterwards. As for Prithviraj, he has been dealt with very kindly by history despite his colossal error of judgement in letting Muhammad Ghori go free in 1191. The women concerned cannot possibly be blamed for these weaknesses of their men.

But as for Roxanne, you have to understand that the Macedonian commanders and even the soldiers were possessive towards Alexander. They had never seen him flip for a woman, and then, what was worse from their point of view, adopt her whole family, so to speak, and give them high positions even if they were incompetent. This sort of thing always breeds resentment; there were murmurs even when Hepaestion was made head of the elite Companion Cavalry. So Alexander divided the leadership of the Companion Cavalry into two, gave half to Hephaestion and half to c***eus.

Now, if this was the case with Alexander's boyhood friend and closest companion, what would be the decibel level of the murmurs and open complaints about Roxana's family? Since, as a favourite wife, Roxana would be thought to be in the best possible position to influence Alexander , it was bound to be assumed, rightly or wrongly, that she had actually done it in favour of her family. And she would be blamed. It was but natural.

As for Stateira/Barsine, she was said to be a gentle person, Alexander had made arrangements to teach her Macedonian, and it might have appeared to Roxana that she was becoming a threat. And once Alexander was gone, she had a free hand. She would never have dared to do that when he was alive.

Shyamala Aunty

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