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surbhi tyagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9
Sur , golmaal hai bhai sab golmaal hai.but gud 2 see u back on forum.

haan ...golmaal hi hainn...sabkuch golmal hain,🤣...

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History apne aap main hi Maha Golmaal hai🤣Alexander and Porus fought each other but ended up as friends and confidants.

CGM fought against Seleucus Nicator but ended up falling in love with and marrying his daughter.

Queen Elizabeth I and Mary,Queen Of Scots were lifelong rivals despite being cousins and Elizabeth ended up proclaiming Mary's son as her successor as she didn't have children herself.

Many more cases like this are present.

History sabse bada locha hai🤪

As Surbhi said,iss show ko fictional show samajh kar enjoy karte hain.History is never gonna change so why should we fry our bhejas after that???

Show ka luft uthaao instead😎

Edited by LawlessLawyer - 7 years ago

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luckySnow

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Posted: 7 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: EtherealRati
red- Another new thing...porus helped alexander in fighting against indian kings...another shocker for me. Ab i dont really know for what benefit/reason he did it for. Khair now i have decided one thing...all comments i will make will just be on porus or alexander shown to me in the show...fictional porus and fictional alexander. They will have no relation to the history...from now onwards i will not watch this show from historic point of view...it will be yet another fiction which just gives patriotic feel to me...that would save me from making statements which i shouldn't make...and i believe without knowing the real characters...as i dont have enough knowledge...its useless to give opinions on them...so from now my comments will just and just be for what is being shown in the show...i know porus and alexander who are on my tv screen...as i have watched them from starting till date...i will restrict my comments to them only.

Porus was a warrior who fought for his motherland unlike others...Also there was no concept of Bharat in paurav rashtra so when they became friends they joined hands what's wrong here

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486792

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Posted: 7 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: luckySnow

Her influence was so much on him that he appointed her stupid brother and her father higher than his army commanders... He tore the letter from him teacher and threatened to behead him for calling her lower class.Poor Aristotle had to run for his life and he went into hidding 😆 so her influence was bad on him

Oh yeah Aristotle ko bhi bhaga diya😆

Lagta hai Alexander bechara pyaar main deewaana hogaya tha🤣

I remember that old movie Sikandar which had Prithviraj Kapoor.Wahan pe pehle scene main hi Aristotle ne aake Alexander ko bol diya ki kisi bhi ladki ke chakkar main mat padna😆😉

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surbhi tyagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: sashashyam
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Spot on, my dear Surbhi!👏 A delightfully honest statement that I concur with completely. Look at me, at my age, with stiff fingers, here I still am, arguing at length about complicated issues that no one really cares a hoot about😆. I must be nuts, and it is high time I called a halt to this endless preoccupation.And I still have to do your Chanakya note!😉

Ya kudos to you especially...and to all those people like ayesha, deepika and others who have been trying to circulate what actual history is...and guys you have amazing knowledge on history...thats amazing in itself...moreover, you have patience to make other people understand...thanksss all i know is less from articles i read...more i got to know on this forum only...buttt diii youu seriously need to take care of yourself...and no need of writing chanakya note...i got quiet a lot from the replies there...i will tell what i got...basically i got that chanakya ditching porus and porus being killed arent connected in any way...his killing was not related with the dushmani chanakya planted. Chanakya made false promises to porus because without them porus uski help nahi karta. Real porus and porus show waala porus are different as porus helped alex to win over indian kings. So basically porus was an awesome king, but to his rashtra...not to India unlike what is shown in the show. Chanakya had seen CGM fall and rise with his eyes...he was aware of his capabilities and found him perfect for the role...basically he has some set standards in mind ki akhand bharat ka raja kaisa ho...and CGM fitted there completely. Moreover, he was not power hungry as he basically left CGM to rule. His only dream was uniting bharat and he completed it using politics and other means. Like alex, olympia and roxanne...karma came back to him too and he starved himself to death. Or may be we can say he did for prayshit ...i dont know exactly.
But you know, if you locate reliable sites, and look up the contemporary writers ( ie of the same period as the subject of study) or those who covered Alexander's life soon after his passing and also drew on the contemporary writers- Megasthenes, Arrian, Plutarch, Diodoros, Curtius- it can be great fun. Their works are easily available in English translations. I am now reading The Anabasis of Alexander by Arrian., and it is fascinating. They are likely to be more accurate that present day commentaries, which are often based on prejudice.
Okay ...i will search with these writers name on google...but if they are above 200 pages books...then sach mein abhi toh nahi padh paongiii...may be sometime when i will be free enough...i will read...i generally have been just reading articles to get the gist of what all is happening...

Even so, one can fail to take something important into account. Like, after seeing Lucky Snow's comment, I realised that I had failed to factor in one vital element: the Persians. I was assessing what Roxana did keeping in mind that no matter that they hated her, the Macedonian generals would not do anything to harm Alexander's child, the one she was carrying. I forgot about the Persians. They were masters of intrigue, and would not be held back from murdering the hated Roxana because she was expecting Alexander's child.They would be hoping that Barsine would have a child in due course. Seen this way, what she did was a sort of self defence on Roxana's part. This why one has to judge a matter from all possible angles!
Self defense kaise...i mean if she will kill barsine...tab toh persians usse aur maarna chahenge na...???...that she killed their daughter...khair its better i stay away from this...
This apart, every post of yours only reinforces my inital assessement, that you are very honest and even more emotional.
i m glad you find me honest. Yaaa ...emotionalll toh mein hoon...thoda jyada hi emotional bacha hoon...

Shyamala Aunty

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surbhi tyagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: luckySnow

Porus was a warrior who fought for his motherland unlike others...Also there was no concept of Bharat in paurav rashtra so when they became friends they joined hands what's wrong here

but siddharth sir toh porus ko bharat ka defender dikha rahe na ..from the starting...his every statement start with hum bhartiye on the show. Now suddenly i get to know...ki he helped alex against indian kings...mere liye toh shocking hoga na.

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surbhi tyagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer
History apne aap main hi Maha Golmaal hai🤣Alexander and Porus fought each other but ended up as friends and confidants.
CGM fought against Seleucus Nicator but ended up falling in love with and marrying his daughter.

Queen Elizabeth I and Mary,Queen Of Scots were lifelong rivals despite being cousins and Elizabeth ended up proclaiming Mary's son as her successor as she didn't have children herself.
Many more cases like this are present.
History sabse bada locha hai🤪

As Surbhi said,iss show ko fictional show samajh kar enjoy karte hain.History is never gonna change so why should we fry our bhejas after that???
Show ka luft uthaao instead😎

i agreee...bass showw kiii tarahhh dekhoo...porus is a fictionn show...is show ke characters ka asal history se koi lena dena nahi hain. 😊

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sashashyam

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Posted: 7 years ago

#28

He became Alexander's ally after that big battle, Surbhi, and as such he had to help him in his wars in India.

But we have to see things from the perspective of that period. Kings of the various kingdoms in north India were often at war with each other. So many of them must have been enemies of Porus. And clearly they did not support him when he stood up against Alexander and bravely went to war, He had to do it all alone.

So I suppose that when Alexander attacked some of those kingdoms later, Porus would not have felt any hesitation in helping him against them, for they were his enemies and they had let him down at the crucial moment as well. He would not have seen them as fellow Bharatiyas. Why, he and Ambhi Sr. & Jr. were always at each other's throat!

Porus was a very good king and a very responsible one. He wanted to protect his praja from the horrors of war, and he did whatever was necessary for that. That is all.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: EtherealRati
red- Another new thing...porus helped alexander in fighting against indian kings...another shocker for me. Ab i dont really know for what benefit/reason he did it for. Khair now i have decided one thing...all comments i will make will just be on porus or alexander shown to me in the show...fictional porus and fictional alexander. They will have no relation to the history...from now onwards i will not watch this show from historic point of view...it will be yet another fiction which just gives patriotic feel to me...that would save me from making statements which i shouldn't make...and i believe without knowing the real characters...as i dont have enough knowledge...its useless to give opinions on them...so from now my comments will just and just be for what is being shown in the show...i know porus and alexander who are on my tv screen...as i have watched them from starting till date...i will restrict my comments to them only.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 7 years ago

#29

I am glad I don't have to do the Chanakya note, my dear Surbhi, though I would have enjoyed summarising it all for you. I am being so ill disciplined as it is!😆

I must tell you, however, that your summing up of all that you have learnt about him is truly admirable. Very crisp and neat!

It is not at all sure how he died. One version is that he was doing sadhana on a mound, the lower parts of which were full of cow dung. One of his enemies - and he must have had any number of them- set fire to the dung heap.As Chanakya was in a state of deep meditation, he did not realise this till it was too late for him to do anything about it.

If I know anything about him, he would never have regretted anything he did. He was totally detached, and he did what he did for a greater goal, nishkaama karma. Once the goal was realised, he retreated to his ashram.

One last point, for I can never stop analysing - it comes of 38 years as a diplomat doing poltiical analyses day in and day out.😉 The Persians would surely have killed Roxanne the first chance they got, so as to get primacy for Barsine and the child she was supposed to be expecting. Preventive measures, so to speak. They would not have waited for Roxanne to kill Barsine. But as things turned out, she struck first.

As for karma coming back to haunt people in this life itself, Stalin and Mao killed millions of their own countrymen in the Soviet Gulag and in the 1959 Great Leap Forward and the 1969 Cultural Revolution movements in China, far , far more than Alexander ever killed. Yet both of them died comfortably in their beds! Hitler comfortably shot himself in his underground bunker in Berlin as the Allied troops were closing in on him in the summer of 1945. Poor Alexander, however , suffered such agony before he died. See the parapaksh on the part of niyati?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: EtherealRati

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486792

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Posted: 7 years ago

#30

I don't think King Porus was wrong when he helped Alexander after the Battle of Hydaspes.

They became friends and allies so Porus helped him coz of that.

This doesn't make him any less of a patriot or degrade him as such.

As @Shyamala Aunty already said,Porus was the ONLY one who stood up against Alexander to defend his motherland.Ambhi was the first one to surrender before Alexander and none of the other kings came forward to help Porus.In short when their motherland needed them the most no one except Porus contributed to it.Ambhi Jr even had eyes on Puru's kingdom and wanted to win it through Alexander.

Aise logon se toh Alexander hi better tha who respected Porus's bravery and honour so much as to befriend him and make him his ally.There is a reason why Alexander respected Puru and not Ambhi Jr and others.And due to this Puru's opinion about Alexander must have changed.

This action of his doesn't prove that he didn't love his country.

He was,is and will always be India's first defender and let's not forget Alexander suffered heavy losses at the Battle of Hydaspes so in a way Porus ne hi usko khaali haath lautaya tha.Above all he was a good king and a good man which was rare to find in those days.

Edited by LawlessLawyer - 7 years ago

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