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Posted: 7 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: siyarati

I don't understand one thing, itna soch ke kyu dekhte ho serial. Ye hona chahiye, vo hona chahiye etc. Cmon guys relax ho kr Dekhi show KO.

It is far better than the top rated saas bahu shows.
I don't think the show deserve 0 trp. Acc to me, it deserves to be in top 10, if compared to other shows in top.
I don't understand the reason of quitting the show. Logic?? Or reality?? This show is still better in terms of logic as compared to other top rated shows. Unme to.itna illogical dikhate h bygod (exceptions are always there).
And Jha tak Rhi reality Ki baat, then 10% hi sahi, Kuch to real h hi, Kuch to gain kr hi rahe h. Baki shows to 100% fiction hote h. Still people watch them.
And if we people start finding logic in Indian TV and cinema, we could never watch any show.
So cmon guys this show is far better and interesting than other shows.

when the show is of porus biopic almost why do we expect the story of Alex? he is one of the anti porus character in the show like shivdutt. I don't think they give more importance and show his love life or his biography his victories wars etc. so worrying about the character of Alex and his side story may be not worth of time as per my view. i am not talking about others. The title of the show is Porus and all the other characters including Alex r the characters that come on stage like flashes.Expecting more of Alex side story except the final war is a dream i feel. This is the reason i guess Rohit thought a lot before taking up this role as his role will be restricted to a specific time and scenes and he will never get equal screen space like porus story! regarding trps as per sony channel it is ok .
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Posted: 7 years ago
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This is only about @bold, which is an interesting point of view. But there is one major problem with it.

Does Shivdutt feature in the montage with equal space with Porus the way Alexander does? No, he does not. So there is no point in equating Alexander and Shivdutt.

Secondly, it is the makers who are constantly dragging in the so-called link of niyati between Porus and Alexander at every possible moment, after first having created the major fiction that they are both of the same age, whereas the real Porus had grown up sons, both of whom died in the battle of the Hydaspes, and a daughter, Kalyani, who was married to Abhi, the king of Takshashila (the present Ambhikumar). It is as if the CVs see this karmic connection, as they put it, between Porus and Alexander, as a kind of umbilical cord!

They do it because without the Alexander connection, their script will lose its vazan. Most Indians know of Porus, or Purushottam, only because he was brave enough, and was devoted enough to his land and its people, to face up to Alexander when no one else was willing to do so, and Alexander is still world famous after 23 centuries. Without Alexander, no one would have specially remembered Porus. He is not a Chandragupta Maurya or a Chanakya or an Ashoka, who are immortalised on their own steam.

How many Indians know anything of Skandagupta, the Gupta emperor of the first half of the 5th century AD? He saved the whole of north India by fighting off the Huns, who were descending on our northwest frontier like locusts. But the Huns are not as glamorous as Alexander the Great, so no one bothers to even remember Skandagupta.

Puru or Porus is the protagonist of this show, and Alexander in the antagonist. That is why they are given equal space in the montage, glowering across at each other. And this is also why at least 20% of the screen time, and so many excellent scenes, including all his major battles to date, are devoted to Alexander and the Macedonian part. Without this Alexander connection, Porus would be just another raja rani fiction show, like Prithvi Vallabh.

Apart from this, I could never understand why such an opulent production was entrusted to Sony, which is mostly the graveyard of good TV, and which singlehandedly drove Yashraj TV out of business thought most of their productions were very good. Sony also sank Anurag Kashyap's Yudh, though, as Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV, it should have done very well. The channel is manhoos.

Shyamala Cowsik


Originally posted by: rahulkrishna24


when the show is of porus biopic almost why do we expect the story of Alex? he is one of the anti porus character in the show like shivdutt. I don't think they give more importance and show his love life or his biography his victories wars etc. so worrying about the character of Alex and his side story may be not worth of time as per my view. i am not talking about others. The title of the show is Porus and all the other characters including Alex r the characters that come on stage like flashes.Expecting more of Alex side story except the final war is a dream i feel. This is the reason i guess Rohit thought a lot before taking up this role as his role will be restricted to a specific time and scenes and he will never get equal screen space like porus story! regarding trps as per sony channel it is ok .


Originally posted by: siyarati

I don't understand one thing, itna soch ke kyu dekhte ho serial. Ye hona chahiye, vo hona chahiye etc. Cmon guys relax ho kr Dekhi show KO.

It is far better than the top rated saas bahu shows.
I don't think the show deserve 0 trp. Acc to me, it deserves to be in top 10, if compared to other shows in top.
I don't understand the reason of quitting the show. Logic?? Or reality?? This show is still better in terms of logic as compared to other top rated shows. Unme to.itna illogical dikhate h bygod (exceptions are always there).
And Jha tak Rhi reality Ki baat, then 10% hi sahi, Kuch to real h hi, Kuch to gain kr hi rahe h. Baki shows to 100% fiction hote h. Still people watch them.
And if we people start finding logic in Indian TV and cinema, we could never watch any show.
So cmon guys this show is far better and interesting than other shows.

Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: rahulkrishna24

when the show is of porus biopic almost why do we expect the story of Alex? he is one of the anti porus character in the show like shivdutt. I don't think they give more importance and show his love life or his biography his victories wars etc. so worrying about the character of Alex and his side story may be not worth of time as per my view. i am not talking about others. The title of the show is Porus and all the other characters including Alex r the characters that come on stage like flashes.Expecting more of Alex side story except the final war is a dream i feel. This is the reason i guess Rohit thought a lot before taking up this role as his role will be restricted to a specific time and scenes and he will never get equal screen space like porus story! regarding trps as per sony channel it is ok .

I totally agree with you. There is no need of showing Alex love life etc.. They can just show that he got married to this etc for giving info to viewers. There is no need of showing these things in detail (this is my opinion), as this is porus biopic. Plus if they started showing both sides in detail, show could not complete in 260 epi I think. It will require more episodes. As per my opinion, only imp things of Alex are needed to be shown. And even we should not expect the same from the creators.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

@bold is an interesting point of view. But there is one major problem with it.

Does Shivdutt feature in the montage with equal space with Porus the way Alexander does? No, he does not. So there is no point in equating Alexander and Shivdutt.

Secondly, it is the makers who are constantly dragging in the so-called link of destiny between Porus and Alexander at every possible moment, after first having created the major fiction that they are both of the same age, whereas the real Porus had grown up sons, both of whom died in the battle of the Hydaspes, and a daughter, Kalyani, who was married to Abhi, the king of Takshashila (the present Ambhikumar). It is as if the CVs see this karmic connection, as they put it, between Porus and Alexander, as a kind of umbilical cord!

They do it because without the Alexander connection, their script will lose its vazan. Most Indians know of Porus, or Purushottam, only becaus he was brave enough to face up to Alexander when no one else was willing to do so, and Alexander is still world famous after 23 centuries. Without Alexander, no one would have remembered Porus. He is not a Chandragupta Maurya or a Chanakya or an Ashoka, who are immortalised on theiown steam.

How many Indians know anything of Skandagupta, the Gupta emperor of the 5th century AD? He saved the whole of north India by fighting off the Huns, who were descending on our northwest frontier like locusts. But the Huns are not as glamorous as Alexander the Great, so no one bothers to even remember Skandagupta.

Puru or Porus is the protagonist of this show, and Alexander in the antagonist. That is why they are given equal space in the montage, glowering across at each other. And this is also why at least 20% of the screen time, and so many excellent scenes, are devoted to Alexander and the Macedonian part. Without this Alexander connection, Porus would be just another raja rani fiction show, like Prithvi Vallabh.

Apart from this, I could never understand why such an opulent production was entrusted to Sony, which is mostly the graveyard of good TV, and which singlehandedly drove Yashraj TV out of business thought most of their productions were very good. Sony also sank Anurag Kashyap's Yudh, though, as Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV, it should have done very well. The channel is manhoos.

Shyamala Cowsik



Yes aunty, the channel is definitely manhood. None of its shows get good trp despite good contents.
They gave the show to Sony TV bcoz CVs want to keep the IP rights of the show to themselves, for which only Sony agreed.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Oh I see. Thanks for the info, Siya. I still think they should have bargained hard with Star Plus for keeping the IP rights. After all, it is a very big production.

Do you know, for Yudh, Sony scheduled the 20 one hour episodes from 10:30 pm to 11:30 pm on week days, with NO repeats? It was unbelievable!😡 And this for Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: siyarati

Yes aunty, the channel is definitely manhood. None of its shows get good trp despite good contents.

They gave the show to Sony TV bcoz CVs want to keep the IP rights of the show to themselves, for which only Sony agreed.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

@bold is an interesting point of view. But there is one major problem with it.

Does Shivdutt feature in the montage with equal space with Porus the way Alexander does? No, he does not. So there is no point in equating Alexander and Shivdutt.

Secondly, it is the makers who are constantly dragging in the so-called link of destiny between Porus and Alexander at every possible moment, after first having created the major fiction that they are both of the same age, whereas the real Porus had grown up sons, both of whom died in the battle of the Hydaspes, and a daughter, Kalyani, who was married to Abhi, the king of Takshashila (the present Ambhikumar). It is as if the CVs see this karmic connection, as they put it, between Porus and Alexander, as a kind of umbilical cord!

They do it because without the Alexander connection, their script will lose its vazan. Most Indians know of Porus, or Purushottam, only becaus he was brave enough to face up to Alexander when no one else was willing to do so, and Alexander is still world famous after 23 centuries. Without Alexander, no one would have remembered Porus. He is not a Chandragupta Maurya or a Chanakya or an Ashoka, who are immortalised on theiown steam.

How many Indians know anything of Skandagupta, the Gupta emperor of the 5th century AD? He saved the whole of north India by fighting off the Huns, who were descending on our northwest frontier like locusts. But the Huns are not as glamorous as Alexander the Great, so no one bothers to even remember Skandagupta.

Puru or Porus is the protagonist of this show, and Alexander in the antagonist. That is why they are given equal space in the montage, glowering across at each other. And this is also why at least 20% of the screen time, and so many excellent scenes, are devoted to Alexander and the Macedonian part. Without this Alexander connection, Porus would be just another raja rani fiction show, like Prithvi Vallabh.

Apart from this, I could never understand why such an opulent production was entrusted to Sony, which is mostly the graveyard of good TV, and which singlehandedly drove Yashraj TV out of business thought most of their productions were very good. Sony also sank Anurag Kashyap's Yudh, though, as Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV, it should have done very well. The channel is manhoos.

Shyamala Cowsik



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Oh I see. Thanks for the info, Siya. I still think they should have bargained hard with Star Plus for keeping the IP rights. After all, it is a very big production.

Do you know, for Yudh, Sony scheduled the 20 one hour episodes from 10:30 pm to 11:30 pm on week days, with NO repeats? It was unbelievable!😡 And this for Amitabh Bachchan's first fiction show on TV

Shyamala Aunty


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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Aunty
I just happened to come across two previous episodes featuring Puru that I had not watched in the past because I was only interested in the Alexander bits. One was where he fights off the bear and the other is when he is holding on to Ambhi raj and preventing him from flying off in the cyclone.😕

There was also the scene where he comes back from near-death after being mercilessly clobbered by Darisu and Ambhiraj. Let's not forget the crocodile scene, which ok, I could overlook because as we know Puru was a water baby jo paani mein reh kar magar mach se bhi bair kar sakta hai. 😆

After watching these scenes, him coming back from near-death and taking the arrows out of his body like toothpicks or flying in Friday's episodes seemed a little less ridiculous, in the sense that it's not the first time they've shown this kind of thing for Puru. There seems to be a pattern here.

What I just cannot take is the dumbing down of Alexander, as some people have commented. If the makers really have to show him as a villain, fine but this way they shot themselves in the foot and basically undermined all the glorious scenes of Alexander's growth and battle that they themselves have put in so much effort and expense to show so far. The background music they've used for Alexander has always been about his valor and reputation as a great warrior, not a killing machine. As for his cruelty, Oracle's intern never talked about how she incited Alexander to destroy his competition or become a shaitaan.

We all know the story of emperor Ashoka and his cruelty, which were well documented. He reformed himself later, but the original driver for his grandfather and him was also the desire to conquer and unite. Chandragupt started to work on this while Alexander was still alive and also killed lots of people.

Whether it was self-defence in the family as some of the forum said or due to the thirst for power, as well as survival in the battlefield. If Alexander hadn't killed his competition his mother, Hephaestion, and he would have been dead pretty soon. Ashoka is also known to have killed all his siblings in order to become king and did not always attack from the front in those cases.

The fact is, in order to come into and hold on to power as a ruler it was a policy of kill or be killed.
Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Did you read my post on pre-page? The line taken, to which my post was a response, was a non sequitur. My post is relevant to your present argument, because it is the CVs who have built up the Alexander factor and brought him to be a fully developed counterpoint to Porus. They treat the two almost like Siamese twins separated at birth!

So now how can they suddenly pull him down, and make him the kind of man who can be outwitted by a chit of a girl? I can't see how he is to be retrieved from this pit and restored to his former, elevated status. They will try to do it, but it will be tough to make it convincing.

As for Puru, he always was preachy and hammy, so nothing need change there.

The earlier instances where Puru came back after serious injuries were nothing like this one. The bear hug need not be deadly, and there was not too much blood. The cyclone bit was pure physical strength, of which he has plenty. The clobbering looked bad, but he was not bloodied all over, and the rods used need not have hurt a vital spot. Nothing penetrated his body and tore at his internal organs.

Being pierced by eight arrows with steel.tips is quite different. The internal damage must have been considerable and very likely fatal. That is why what happened afterwards was so ludicrous, and no one here, not even the stoutest Puruphile, has been able to defend what was shown.

Ashoka had all his earlier sins forgiven at one fell swoop, and then he was canonised, in effect. But the stories that he killed all his 99 step brothers to get to the throne are false. But he and Chanakya's favourite shishya Radhagupt, who became Asoka's prime minister, did kill.Ashoka's elder brother Sushim. Chandragupta was not cruel, but of course he would have killed a lot of people in his battles, and Chanakya bumped off all.his potential enemies. There was no room.there for the faint of heart!

So it is not as though the blood letting by Alexander was in some way peculiar to him. I had cited, in one of my earlier posts, the point about the High Priestess having happily egged Alexander on to have Philip assassinated, a point that was neatly suppressed by her disciple when she was squeaking at Puru. It was total hypocrisy, plain and simple.

Morever, Alexander is shown as having a strong code of personal morality, as in the case of Arridaeus. So the idea that he would have had an unarmed man shot down in cold blood runs counter to what the CVs themselves have shown earlier, besides being beyond the pale and repugnant.

See, the way things were shown on Friday, it was clear that Alexander had no notion of sparing Puru, and was intending him to be killed because he could not be controlled any other way. This effectively demolished all our logical theses based on the CVs' image of Alexander. And then there was the incredible slip up with the sword. It was unbearable.

Still, he was the only one worth watching on Friday

Let us see how they move on from here.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: inlieu

@Aunty

I just happened to come across two previous episodes featuring Puru that I had not watched in the past because I was only interested in the Alexander bits. One was where he fights off the bear and the other is when he is holding on to Ambhi raj and preventing him from flying off in the cyclone.😕

There was also the scene where he comes back from near-death after being mercilessly clobbered by Darisu and Ambhiraj. Let's not forget the crocodile scene, which ok, I could overlook because as we know Puru was a water baby jo paani mein reh kar magar mach se bhi bair kar sakta hai. 😆

After watching these scene. him coming back from near-death and taking the arrows out of his body like toothpicks or flying in Friday's episodes seemed a little less ridiculous, in the sense that it's not the first time they've shown this kind of thing for Puru. There seems to be a pattern here.

What I just cannot take is the dumbing down of Alexander, as some people have commented. If the makers really have to show him as a villain, fine but this way they shot themselves in the foot and basically undermined all the glorious scenes of Alexander's growth and battle that they themselves have put in so much effort and expense to show so far. The background music they've used for Alexander has always been about his valor and reputation as a great warrior, not a killing machine. As for his cruelty, Oracle's intern never talked about how she incited Alexander to destroy his competition or become a shaitaan.

We all know the story of emperor Ashoka and his cruelty, which were well documented. He reformed himself later, but the original driver for his grandfather and him was also the desire to conquer and unite. Chandragupt started to work on this while Alexander was still alive and also killed lots of people.

Whether it was self-defence in the family as some of the forum said or due to the thirst for power, as well as survival in the battlefield. If Alexander hadn't killed his competition his mother, Hephaestion, and he would have been dead pretty soon. Ashoka is also known to have killed all his siblings in order to become king and did not always attack from the front in those cases.

The fact is, in order to come into and hold on to power as a ruler it was a policy of kill or be killed.

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Only saving grace was Alexander 4 not for a min got scarred by Puru's threats which I guess did irritate Puru. Now Alexander will be more determined
Puru's face was worth watching when Alexander addressed faras people 2 stop those 3 coward ladies when min before he assured barsine that Alex will not able 2 do anything till my sword is on his throat but as alex is 2 stubborn , he dint let barsine & company escape.

Now it 2 see what Alexander do with barsine as Alex don't like people who cross him
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I am also waiting to see that, what he does with Barsine, that is. Probably give her a sound spanking!

Yes, for me too Alexander's unruffled coolness was the only bright spot in an otherwise calamitous episode.It must have got under Puru's skin!

Shyamala Aunty

QUOTE=deepikagupta9]Only saving grace was Alexander 4 not for a min got scarred by Puru's threats which I guess did irritate Puru. Now Alexander will be more determined
Puru's face was worth watching when Alexander addressed faras people 2 stop those 3 coward ladies when min before he assured barsine that Alex will not able 2 do anything till my sword is on his throat but as alex is 2 stubborn , he dint let barsine & company escape.

Now it 2 see what Alexander do with barsine as Alex don't like people who cross him

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