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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Istila
Fab post👏👏👏👏
I truly wish the CVs are reading this forum and get the message. I am with you in that I too cannot bear to watch the show.
My POV: I really wish they redeem TVS character soon ---- because then his behavior can be labelled temporary insanity. The other characters can stay need little or no redemption for the story to move forward in terms of a social message and Bedni upliftment. Given that the Bednis have been historically exploited -- my original perception was that this would be a story on Bedni upliftment. Rome was not built in a day - so I can put up with all the hurdles and torments that the social redeemer/s and the Bednis have to undergo - but here I cannot fathom what the storyline is all about!😕
EDIT: Thank you for appreciating my earlier post!
Edited by anonee - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Istila


The show has lost all of its charisma, wisdom & sense of purpose ' Vikram.

Vikram was the sincere, pure hearted, virtuous, kind, emphatic, sweet natured, gentle, intelligent, philanthropic, tolerant, talented, understanding man, who was this show's main focal point.

The Cvs have obviously chopped and changed the story to fit their serial shows and without thinking that it does not fit the character of the man or his family.

I agree, Sugni, is completely out of her mind to stay in Vikram's house. Which normal human being would do that to someone they love or respect? I don't think Sugni even understands the meanings of those words.

Although we feel Vikram should throw out the pair, Sugni & Adi, however Vikram is too much in love with Sugni to throw her out. She has become a part of 'his' life, he believes his home is her home since the time they were about to get married so he hasn't had a chance to think straight and going through the trauma & hurt he is still living in denial.

The problem with TV is that it only gives one view of the world and restricts other opinions.

This story is not about normal men not even men who are strong minded, a man with any ethics will not in the first place allow his family to fall to this level, where the mother does not care, his aunt doesn't care, his nephew doesn't care. Normal men have normal families where nephews don't go around marrying their uncle's bride. Normal men have hearts and some morals, they don't watch immorality and succumb to that level where they end up killing the one they love or throwing their family out because of one person.

Usually in families if there were any morals, a son respects his mother and aunt so much that even when they are wrong he will never dare to think to turn them out. Instead he would leave, however usually in such close knit families the situation never arises where either a mother or a son has to leave.

Sometimes mothers in their old age, have ill health which can affect her relationship with her child. The mother however wrong, is in the end a mother and has rights to be respected & cared for by her children when they are older. I know in reality that even when the mother is wrong and there is so much rift it is the child who leaves or is thrown out, not the mother. Since a mother gives birth to her son and cared for him when he was young and it is her house, the son wouldn't dare insult his mother and throw her out on the pavement without any support as in many cultures and religions this would amount to violation, sin and immorality.

I don't think therefore that Vikram would either throw out his mother for not understanding or proving that she cares or for allowing Adi & Sugni's wedding (at gunpoint) or would kill the woman he wanted to marry, Sugni.

We have watched Sugni & Gulabiya's selfishness & their self-conceited behaviour, it is not a very good reflection of the Bedia community. They have no morals because that is the way they have been raised and they have a completely different belief system to other people. They don't really have a family life, they don't have a good father figure, they haven't had adequate education, no religious teachings, no literacy, no understanding of the meaning of life, ethics, discipline, manners or self-control. We're dealing with ignorance.

These bednis chose to live this way because they have been so suppressed and have known no other way to live. As we saw, Gulabiya is continually cursing and blaming God and her idols, while the Takurs are in power over these women, they are violent and rape them. We saw Sugni's half-brother attempting to rape a young bedni girl in a boat on her way to school.

We may ask that why these women moan about their situation if they can't be bothered to stand up for themselves and make their men act instead of living as, jobless invalids? The only conclusion I can draw is on the lack of religious moral education.

There is saying: The evil implanted in man by nature spreads so imperceptibly, when the habit of wrong-doing is unchecked, that he himself can set no limit to his shamelessness. (Cicero).

Vikram does has a full understanding of the situation, yet is now made out to be the impulsive, revenge & hate filled man, he was not ever meant to be.

Simply Vikram would not exist as a fine character, resolute, & string, without a sound backing from his family & good education. With such a background, all wars are won, there is no need for Vikram to go crazy with revenge or imbecility or to act as if he is beneath his senses when he and so is the rest of his family fully aware, unless the message is that they are all shameless, senseless, immoral people! Yes everyone goes angry when someone they love has cheated them but not to the point of madness or murder as God in his infinite wisdom & mercy has given us intelligence & self control.

Taking the point of view form the Cvs even of Vikram & Adi were so bad then what is the point of watching this evilness? It's like animals protecting their territory! The Cvs are making a mess of grown up men who have sense, behave like small boys having a play fight to show their power over a girl.

Insan jab janwar se battar bewaja, bhanaya jatha hai, is se dekhne me kya khushi aur sukoon milti hai? Agar hum ko janwar dhekna tha tho TV ki zararooth naheen hai, sab bhar sarak aur jungle, mai hazaron hai.

When man for no reason is made to appear worse than animals, then what serenity do we get out of watching it? If we wanted to watch animals then there is no need for TV, as there are thousands (of these species) out there in the streets & jungles.

People need to follow real life examples, they need hope, they need solutions, they need directions, not delusions or deceptions, or negativity & evil influencing them all their lives through nonsensical TV serials.


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Thank you Istilla, for writing this awesome post.
@highlighted in bold above - Exactly, this is how I also feel about the show and why Vikram is not throwing S out of his home or why S is living at Vikram's house.
Anonee - I agree with you too... I hope they will redeem Vikram's character and let him move on with his life to be able to retain whatever viewership this show enjoys currently.
I am thoroughly disappointed (not because Sugvi are not together or ADNI are together, it's only because to fit their twisted way of story telling, CVs completely changed the essence of the story and TVS character to the point that we don't identify them with the beginning days of the show).
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Posted: 12 years ago
#33
Guys
There is no point in having these discussions.
TVS's character is going to hard core negative going forward as the CVs have decided that is what they want.
This will not be natural evolvement of the character but a wholesale REWRITE so there will be no logic why he has become what he will become. There will certainly NOT be any restoration / logical development of this character.
Sorry do not want to upset anyone but thats the truth.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#34
The CV's totally screwd up the script
As per the whn V talkd abt Sugni badly infront of her she shld left the thakur house , instead of tht why she went nd marrried Adi ...Tht's too bad
Bcoz of her V is turning into villian . I am sorry frnds , i really hate the scene btwn Adi-Sugni 😡


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Posted: 12 years ago
#35
NandyLove

who likes that scene🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i always felt from the begining that TVS was a week man from inside. it me it seems he always got what ever he has ever wanted in his life, but Vikram is selfish, when he fell in love with sugni, did he not know about his mother's prijudice towards the bedni. or did the think just becaues he wanted her his mother would accept her. that is like a child who wants a toy at all cost. Vikram is spoilt man. who is still bratty.
of what i have seen of vikram is that what ever he does is for his benifit. even when he helped sugni family a number of times. it was to show sugni that he was a decent man. that he cared of others and their well being.
how can a man show that he cares for the wellbing of others but tolaly negeledt the principles of his family. non of his family members were happy with the idea of him marriying sugni. but out of respect they supported him. even Aditya who first hated shugni and was mean to her supported his mama thinking that he was a good man and was truly in love with sugni.
vikram is spoilt and he shows it when things dont go his way. now he is after sugni and Aditya out of revenge tinking sugni tried ot kill him. he hates Aditya becaues he knows that Aditya is indeed in love with sugni. that is why he taunts sugni that Aditya is no good, that he will not be a good husband. that he would not be able to satisfy her as a husband. he tries belitting Aditya every chance he gets. hoping sugni will leave Aditya and come to him.
vikram is a week man, an emotionaly week man, a man of week principals. that is why he could so easily believe reva that sugni tried to kill him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#37
sorry but I dont agree with u

I didnt see vikram as spoil guy and if he was one he would never never never take care of his family why would he ? spoil man never take care of other children or his sister (4 exmple - TJS son )
Vikram never helped sugni for getting her infect he did this to stop the wrong that he was seeing was happening in that place
he didn't come to sugni to help her .. many times it was sugni who came to him 4 help and he helped her that prove he is great man !!!
even when he told her about his love he said ... if you dont love me that is okay i wont force u for that its just my feelings im sharing with u !!!

let me add some videos here
i guess now my words wont change so let us watch those together
(all videos uploaded by komal)

1. when her mom was sick ... no one helped her .. the only man she met helped her
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGhzsW4gOKY&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]
If he was bad he would never help her he could use her like others

2.Vikram Disappointed To See Sugni Doing Rai 27th april 2012 [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZEIAY2wWo&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

3. If you watch those scenes it was sugni who was after vikram
Vikram Disappointed To See Sugni Doing Rai 27th april 2012

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVB8gscNn1A&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

4. If he was so bad why would he support sugni / why wouldnt he do sardakaii and buy any girl hmm ??

Thakurs Target Vikram 4 Supporting Sugni In The Mela 15th may 2012

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpTVd5wb0c&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]


5. Vikram Tried Hard 2 Stop The Panchayat Against Sugni 16th may 2012

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnbCeh0vEDc&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

6.Vikram & Amu Defend Sugni Infront Of Panchayat 17+18th may 2012

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sSkwaiSzX4&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

7. why would SELFISH guy care about any one sugni n her family hmmm ?
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xzZNlgLSU4&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

8. Selfish people never do this

Vikram Brings Sugni & Her Family 2 His House 4 The Delivery Of Sugni's Mami

No one was ready for that but he helped them
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT3mieHC4K4&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

Any ways ... CV change the story just to make adi sugni accepted by US... MT was dead and some how she was alive no one knows how ... if vikram was ayash or spoil guy he would make rai at home why not ?


If after watching all these u say he is bad guy selfish then what can I say to u
If vikram is selfish what about adi ?? who knows reva wanted to kill vikram tried her best and he hid this truth from every one ... he knows well if he tell that he will lose sugni... vikram will divorce reva and sugni will ask divorce from adi !!!
what was adi doing with amrita all those time ... pooja 😃 a man who keeps girlfriend at home with him without marring her what will i call him ?? good guy ??

Plz watch this show from day 1 and say

Dont support adi because he is your favorite... watch the show .. check what they show us then comment about him being selfish

and yes last thing i will add...

vikram doesnt need to trust reva he got all proofs ...

few days ago i made post i will update it here check it !

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/phir-subah-hogi/3270411/what-can-i-say-about-u-sugni-hmm

if sugni had problem with vikram's character she would have point out that thing. but when vikram had that he said it and what sugni did ? got marry with adi ? she could leave him his home and his house and that village and move on go to city work and marry over there why did she need to marry ?
Edited by ronshaan - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#38
Merrydock

You have made this point several times about his mother and no of times people have pointed out to you that his mother was dead but you seem to be missing the point.

The story from day one was TVS, jiji and Kuhu's mother was dead. So when Sugni and TVS were together his mother was dead. That is why he gave her that big round engagement ring as that was his mothers. In fact there is a scene between Kuhu and Sugni where a black and white photo of the deceased mother is shown and she is referred toin the past tense.

Ma Thakur's character along with Brother and Bhabhi were written in to the storyline just before G got shot ie she was resurrected from the dead just like Reva his dead wife was resurrected from the dead.

You are entitled to your opinion on TVS but you weaken your argument when you make a point about him not considering his mothers opinion of bednis. He did not consider it because she was dead.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Let me add video proof (Thanks to Komal who uploaded all the videos)

Ring ---
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32k1Bs-His&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

Sugni Kuhu Scene -

Sugni Tells Kuhu How 2 Overcum Ur Fear (Luvly Interaction)

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0YVovhbvqc&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]
Edited by ronshaan - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Excellent Posts Istila👏

I really never meant Vikram should throw out his Mother, I was just so mad at the whole family and how Vikram is treated. I would never throw out my Mother either.

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