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Posted: 12 years ago
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G has too much time on her hands now that she and her family can live on 20+lac of TVSs money and presumably just as TVS took care of Sugni's family, Adi will.

You know what would be funny - if DV goes to Sarojthakurayan and tells her that G said she was like a mother to him. Can you imagine what Sarojthakurain would do🤣?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: payal7

All she has acheived is that she has destroyed the SOUL of a man she claims she loves so that now he has let evil enter his heart which will make a home there.

As I said before it would have been better if she and Adi had let TVS die in that temple because then his body would have been destroyed but what they have done now is WORSE because they may preserved his body but have destroyed his soul.


It would have been better if they ended the show and that would free us all. 😊

What if instead of TVS, it was a woman who went through being cheated similarly, though not of the same circumstances, as TVS suffered? What if she was hurt far more than TVS? In reality I don't think such a woman or man would either prefer to die, kill, or take revenge.

Why should Vikram die or kill anyone? He has shown enough sense to move on and remarry, after all he is a well respected Takur and has a wide social circle even if he is, irreligious.

There is saying: 'No one can hurt me without my permission'

No one has killed Vikram's soul. He is alive and has all his senses of right and wrong intact.

TVS still has a chance to forget Sugni and leave.

Vikram is a mature man, he dealt with his enemies like Jwala Singh, commendably, and he knows how to keep his self-control. Vikram already knows what women are like. He is married to his devious wife and he is not a young inexperienced boy.

He can show Adi & Sugni that he can cope on his own without them by leaving and starting a new life elsewhere. Mother Takur should help him cope and give him support, but TVS is quite capable of taking care of himself as he was single all this time & working while he thought his wife was dead. He also knows how to take harsh setbacks such as when his wife turned up mentally abusive.

Therefore, it is rather preposterous for CVs to turn him against Sugni and into a rage-filled, abusive & vengeful man.

Best Wishes

Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said Hillydee. All of your post was true and to the point. 😊

If a good charactered man like TVS can change then the only message being given out to the youth is that good men become bad and bad men like Adi turn successful, that marriage & love should be with the impure men like Adi rather than the innocent & pure of heart, like Vikram.

Of course throughout time, books and literature in the past have been written all over the world, in support of chivalrous men of good character, but all these true values are being dismissed in this serial, which tells us a great deal about the show producer's own beliefs and value system (if there are any).
Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Excellent Posts Everyone👏

Payal I am sick of Sugni's two-faced behaviour. She hates Vikram for lying to her about his wife, but yet she lies to his family about her identity just so she can marry Adi.

I am yet to figure out how marrying a man's nephew, living in his house and eating his food, wearing clothes bought with his money, and sharing a room with his nephew can save the man's marriage. I never hear anything this Dumb in my life. Normal hot blooded men would never make Sugni even do one round of that marriage, and some men would have ended her life.
Which man in this entire world would allow Sugni to disrespect him like this and not do anything about it?
I am sorry but if I was in Vikram's shoe, and even though I am female, I know I would not let them get married in front of me. I would throw them out of my house, including Adi's Mother. If my Mother does not care about my feelings, then she can move to another house too.
I would throw Sugni out on the streets. She is totally out of line, to do that sort of slackness in her ex fiance's home.

That is why the I know Bedni life is a choice, not a helplessness. Sugni grew up seeing her Mother destroy a relationship and never once did she show remorse for it. G only showed regret that she was a prostitute and not a wife. Sugni did not learn to by example how to respect and honour relationships, or she would never have taken Adi from Amrita. She would never live in Vikram's house claiming to save his marriage, when she knows Vikram is so in love it is next to impossible for him to get over her in his face everyday, in his own home.

G was selfish, she only thought of her needs and never cared about ruining a family, and so she never taught Sugni to see anything else besides herself and what others can offer her.
What has Sugni done in the show for either men, to make her worthy of the love she receives?

Edited by hillydee - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am pasting below what I wrote elsewhere re: future TVS track

TVS need not and should not be made evil. In fact of all the characters in this show - he is the only one with tendencies to be MAHAAN!
The CVs can show Adi and Sugni trying to be mahaan for personal greed and selfish reasons, that is to enter the haveli and claim thakurain status and welath.
TVS on the other can continue to be what he was shown early in the show. Try to uplift the town/village and its inhabitants irrespective of caste and religion. He can work for eduction and woman emancipation. Those who want to walk away from the beedni tradition can be helped with (mahila udhar) programs that he can set up.
I would really enjoy it - if the CVs could show a TVS who throws his pent up energy and passion to uplifting the beedni tribe.
If the CVs go this route and show TVS mahaan then they are truly opening a new form of storytelling. Adi and Sugni will perceive TVS as evil because his acts are eclipsing theirs and Sugni's earlier proclaimed mission in life is what TVS will be working towards and accompllishing.
Perhaps at some point either Amrita or some other female lead will come by to help TVS in his social activities. This person can also be his soul mate in the true sense. That would be poetic justice indeed.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Hillydee and Payal: Great posts!! Love, love, love love every word!!👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Just waiting for the show to end. It is beyond funny and irritating.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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That's why Curious, I am not watching.

Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: anonee

I am pasting below what I wrote elsewhere re: future TVS track

TVS need not and should not be made evil. In fact of all the characters in this show - he is the only one with tendencies to be MAHAAN!
The CVs can show Adi and Sugni trying to be mahaan for personal greed and selfish reasons, that is to enter the haveli and claim thakurain status and welath.
TVS on the other can continue to be what he was shown early in the show. Try to uplift the town/village and its inhabitants irrespective of caste and religion. He can work for eduction and woman emancipation. Those who want to walk away from the beedni tradition can be helped with (mahila udhar) programs that he can set up.
I would really enjoy it - if the CVs could show a TVS who throws his pent up energy and passion to uplifting the beedni tribe.
If the CVs go this route and show TVS mahaan then they are truly opening a new form of storytelling. Adi and Sugni will perceive TVS as evil because his acts are eclipsing theirs and Sugni's earlier proclaimed mission in life is what TVS will be working towards and accompllishing.
Perhaps at some point either Amrita or some other female lead will come by to help TVS in his social activities. This person can also be his soul mate in the true sense. That would be poetic justice indeed.


Great post Anonee! 😊

Thanks




Edited by Istila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The show has lost all of its charisma, wisdom & sense of purpose ' Vikram.

Vikram was the sincere, pure hearted, virtuous, kind, emphatic, sweet natured, gentle, intelligent, philanthropic, tolerant, talented, understanding man, who was this show's main focal point.

The Cvs have obviously chopped and changed the story to fit their serial shows and without thinking that it does not fit the character of the man or his family.

I agree, Sugni, is completely out of her mind to stay in Vikram's house. Which normal human being would do that to someone they love or respect? I don't think Sugni even understands the meanings of those words.

Although we feel Vikram should throw out the pair, Sugni & Adi, however Vikram is too much in love with Sugni to throw her out. She has become a part of 'his' life, he believes his home is her home since the time they were about to get married so he hasn't had a chance to think straight and going through the trauma & hurt he is still living in denial.

The problem with TV is that it only gives one view of the world and restricts other opinions.

This story is not about normal men not even men who are strong minded, a man with any ethics will not in the first place allow his family to fall to this level, where the mother does not care, his aunt doesn't care, his nephew doesn't care. Normal men have normal families where nephews don't go around marrying their uncle's bride. Normal men have hearts and some morals, they don't watch immorality and succumb to that level where they end up killing the one they love or throwing their family out because of one person.

Usually in families if there were any morals, a son respects his mother and aunt so much that even when they are wrong he will never dare to think to turn them out. Instead he would leave, however usually in such close knit families the situation never arises where either a mother or a son has to leave.

Sometimes mothers in their old age, have ill health which can affect her relationship with her child. The mother however wrong, is in the end a mother and has rights to be respected & cared for by her children when they are older. I know in reality that even when the mother is wrong and there is so much rift it is the child who leaves or is thrown out, not the mother. Since a mother gives birth to her son and cared for him when he was young and it is her house, the son wouldn't dare insult his mother and throw her out on the pavement without any support as in many cultures and religions this would amount to violation, sin and immorality.

I don't think therefore that Vikram would either throw out his mother for not understanding or proving that she cares or for allowing Adi & Sugni's wedding (at gunpoint) or would kill the woman he wanted to marry, Sugni.

We have watched Sugni & Gulabiya's selfishness & their self-conceited behaviour, it is not a very good reflection of the Bedia community. They have no morals because that is the way they have been raised and they have a completely different belief system to other people. They don't really have a family life, they don't have a good father figure, they haven't had adequate education, no religious teachings, no literacy, no understanding of the meaning of life, ethics, discipline, manners or self-control. We're dealing with ignorance.

These bednis chose to live this way because they have been so suppressed and have known no other way to live. As we saw, Gulabiya is continually cursing and blaming God and her idols, while the Takurs are in power over these women, they are violent and rape them. We saw Sugni's half-brother attempting to rape a young bedni girl in a boat on her way to school.

We may ask that why these women moan about their situation if they can't be bothered to stand up for themselves and make their men act instead of living as, jobless invalids? The only conclusion I can draw is on the lack of religious moral education.

There is saying: The evil implanted in man by nature spreads so imperceptibly, when the habit of wrong-doing is unchecked, that he himself can set no limit to his shamelessness. (Cicero).

Vikram does has a full understanding of the situation, yet is now made out to be the impulsive, revenge & hate filled man, he was not ever meant to be.

Simply Vikram would not exist as a fine character, resolute, & string, without a sound backing from his family & good education. With such a background, all wars are won, there is no need for Vikram to go crazy with revenge or imbecility or to act as if he is beneath his senses when he and so is the rest of his family fully aware, unless the message is that they are all shameless, senseless, immoral people! Yes everyone goes angry when someone they love has cheated them but not to the point of madness or murder as God in his infinite wisdom & mercy has given us intelligence & self control.

Taking the point of view form the Cvs even of Vikram & Adi were so bad then what is the point of watching this evilness? It's like animals protecting their territory! The Cvs are making a mess of grown up men who have sense, behave like small boys having a play fight to show their power over a girl.

Insan jab janwar se battar bewaja, bhanaya jatha hai, is se dekhne me kya khushi aur sukoon milti hai? Agar hum ko janwar dhekna tha tho TV ki zararooth naheen hai, sab bhar sarak aur jungle, mai hazaron hai.

When man for no reason is made to appear worse than animals, then what serenity do we get out of watching it? If we wanted to watch animals then there is no need for TV, as there are thousands (of these species) out there in the streets & jungles.

People need to follow real life examples, they need hope, they need solutions, they need directions, not delusions or deceptions, or negativity & evil influencing them all their lives through nonsensical TV serials.


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