The Concept of a Woman Always Needing a Man - Page 2

Originally posted by: NightStarr

Ah I been meaning to post a very similar post as initially when this shows started, that is what I thought it is going to be. And while initially I didn't mind Vikram helping Sugni but then like so many other shows it took the romantic angle and I would have to disagree with the person above who says the concept of knight in shining armor doesn't apply here. In fact so far the show has shown nothing but that concept- the way VT arrived at every opportunity and helped. I would actually go as far as saying that what Sugni is feeling is not love but appreciation and gratitude towards VT as he would always arrive at a moment when she needed help and helped her out. VT was the one who gave a name to the things she was feeling and how convenient to call it love. I am neither team Adi or VT but would say that all the things that VT has done so far to win over Sugni have been very thought out and planned and a man in love is not liked that. That's why people often joke about a women/man in love and not being able to pay attention to anything else 😆. VT does not seem anything like that. On the other hand Adi has not had much of screen time to show much to the audience and the things he has shown has not impressed me.

Going back to the issue the TM has brought up, I wish this show would focus on Sugni's journey of self exploration and reaching the heights that both Thakurs and Bednis never thought a Bedni would reach. I want her to fulfill her dreams and reach her goal by herself and not by someone else help and that a man's help. I want her to get there by herself so when she is there she could look at people and say that a Bedni could dream and make those dream successful and that too without a Thakurs help.

On random note, I wish they would start a story line where they focus on why the man in Bedni communities don't do anything and make them feel like the useless human beings they are.

Hope I didn't offend anyone as this is just my point of view and it is not meant to offend anyone.

Originally posted by: anastasia211092

I am trying to say that using the knight in shining armor is so repetitive and used over and over again. I don't want that concept to repeat again. Anyways I do agree with your points😊

Interesting and thought provoking. Yes, true, Sugni can become independent without any help from either and as I said before, love may not even be the basis of any/or all relationships. She requires none to be independent and can be successful. So, in this scenario, say ; Sugni travels out of the village, work really hard in a manual job and get a well deserved recognition in a foreign place and she is happy. Yes, this is a POV, of course .

But let me play the devil's advocate😃; and explored another POV too. It stems from the philosophy that success can only be truly appreciated by people who know you and knows your aspirations. Now the people who knows Sugni are all in this small village and works as bednis, and Thakurs belongs to the upper class exploiting them. The Bednis never gets any recognition as a wife or as kids. So, if one is born a bedni girl, will die too as one (and will take that up as a profession even if the father was a Thakus). The irony is that the circle is never broken. Now, if Sugni breaks this circle, just imagine for a sec. , and becomes a Thakurain from a bedni class, she automatically breaks a social stigma. This to the Bednis is truly real meaning of success, as it breaks a norm and re-establishes a new social order that future bednis can look up to and aspire. In some sense, this is more lucrative than a successful established business in a foreign land, where no one really and truly can appreciate where bednis and Sugni is coming from…

My 2 cents for what it is worth😊…

Agree with u that people always think... that a women needs a man for survive..this is not right for all, but this is not wrong totally.. be practical... for living a life alone is not easy... for this u also need support from others,not necessary that supporter is ur husband or lover, he can be some body else as ur friend, or some relative or some known person.. but u need some one who can help u.. as say no one can exist all alone.. in sugani case what can she do ? she is not well educated, she has no other source of income , she can't search a job for self, and most important her own mamas want to sell her.. she has no idea what to do ? she need support,she needs guidance.. she needs a person who can help her.. and as per concern about jodi, issue.. then i can say this a entertainment show not any documentary.. how can they survive without jodi and emotions.. if u focus on indian literature, there is lots of books who talking about women independents, their liberty, their respect.. from seeta,droupdi to modern era.. but every character has a family ..parents,sis,bro,lover, husband.. children..etc... without all these u can't tell a story.. and if u realize all writers shows women spirit and their strength along with drama.. and their extreme comes at the last.. ( i wanted to mention some books and characters name and their characteristic, but din't otherwise post bahut lambi ho jati) but this is possible in the novel not in the tv serials.. and in the sugani case if she was city girl and Independent then... may be she can survive alone.. but in this situation she can't.. she needs supporter not necessary he is man.. can be strong women... but she needs help...

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Interesting and thought provoking. Yes, true, Sugni can become independent without any help from either and as I said before, love may not even be the basis of any/or all relationships. She requires none to be independent and can be successful. So, in this scenario, say ; Sugni travels out of the village, work really hard in a manual job and get a well deserved recognition in a foreign place and she is happy. Yes, this is a POV, of course .

But let me play the devil's advocate😃; and explored another POV too. It stems from the philosophy that success can only be truly appreciated by people who know you and knows your aspirations. Now the people who knows Sugni are all in this small village and works as bednis, and Thakurs belongs to the upper class exploiting them. The Bednis never gets any recognition as a wife or as kids. So, if one is born a bedni girl, will die too as one (and will take that up as a profession even if the father was a Thakus). The irony is that the circle is never broken. Now, if Sugni breaks this circle, just imagine for a sec. , and becomes a Thakurain from a bedni class, she automatically breaks a social stigma. This to the Bednis is truly real meaning of success, as it breaks a norm and re-establishes a new social order that future bednis can look up to and aspire. In some sense, this is more lucrative than a successful established business in a foreign land, where no one really and truly can appreciate where bednis and Sugni is coming from'

My 2 cents for what it is worth😊'

Originally posted by: croziaxx

Agree with u that people always think... that a women needs a man for survive..this is not right for all, but this is not wrong totally.. be practical... for living a life alone is not easy... for this u also need support from others,not necessary that supporter is ur husband or lover, he can be some body else as ur friend, or some relative or some known person.. but u need some one who can help u.. as say no one can exist all alone.. in sugani case what can she do ? she is not well educated, she has no other source of income , she can't search a job for self, and most important her own mamas want to sell her.. she has no idea what to do ? she need support,she needs guidance.. she needs a person who can help her.. and as per concern about jodi, issue.. then i can say this a entertainment show not any documentary.. how can they survive without jodi and emotions.. if u focus on indian literature, there is lots of books who talking about women independents, their liberty, their respect.. from seeta,droupdi to modern era.. but every character has a family ..parents,sis,bro,lover, husband.. children..etc... without all these u can't tell a story.. and if u realize all writers shows women spirit and their strength along with drama.. and their extreme comes at the last.. ( i wanted to mention some books and characters name and their characteristic, but din't otherwise post bahut lambi ho jati) but this is possible in the novel not in the tv serials.. and in the sugani case if she was city girl and Independent then... may be she can survive alone.. but in this situation she can't.. she needs supporter not necessary he is man.. can be strong women... but she needs help...

Originally posted by: CanadianAddict

Thanks for your reply! But then I would ask what has really changed? The dynamic and caste of bedni and thakur is still there, and what has really changed if she sets an example for future bednis to still, look up to thakurs and aspire to marry a thakur. Who still then has the power, the thakur, for her decides to marry a bedni or not, and who then is everything still dependent upon, the thakur. Once again, aspiring means looking up to something, and that looking up to will still be to a thakur and reinforce and once again establish the thakurs as something to be looked up to. Why should a woman aspire to marry a thakur, or even future bednis aspire to do that? A woman should aspire to work on herself.

Originally posted by: CanadianAddict

My sociology is kicking in, but I found it interesting that you said 'he can be somebody...' not she. That is exactly my point, our socialization, even in the most unconscious ways you put 'he,' as in the supporter is still a male. Our socialization is engrained right down to the language we use, which is very male orientated. I am not saying people do not need support, of course they do, because man by nature is a social animal. However, I am speaking of this one specific case that the show is broadcasting, where the bedni is always dependent upon the thakur. True liberation does not come from someone else, but from one self. If Sugni got help from TVS then he is still the one who has liberated her, and it would reinforce a system in which bednis look to thakurs for their liberation.

I know shows are for our entertainment, but scripts are reflective of our socialization, and reinforce it. Let us not forget that a vast majority of the population is tuning in to these shows, more so then turning to literature.