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Posted: 9 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: .SSS.


Just telling.. you were missed! I was missing the person who conducted Poll.. Should M go back to A... and now I intentionally forgot my poll answer😆.. chalo.. better late than never.


Malika and Shruti can back you up... It took me a lot of time to read but I read every single comment of them..Never have this dedication in academics😆.. More interested in lessons of life...😆..


Haha, gotta love your sense of humour. Adorbs🤗
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi


@SSS one thing I will tell you from my experience. Whenever you are choosing a guy, choose someone who share the same values with you. Whose journey is more or less similar to you. Because you need a man who understands and respect you and you should also be able to understand and respect him. Love cannot sustain a marriage, only love along with respect can sustain it. Because at young age( say early twenties) we cannot differentiate between lust and love. Both will be more or less same. But yes you can differentiate respect. Keep the first step for marriage only if you respect a man for his actions along with love or lust or whatever.

And to put more perspective I will tell you the story of Rukmini. Because in our community it is told that if you love, love the way Rukmini loved Krishna. Rukmini had never seen Krishna. But she had heard about him and actions and great stories surrounding him and she fell in love with him. Rukmini writes a letter to Krishna to take her as her marriage is happening against her wish and she loves him. On her wedding day putting her reputation and the reputation of her family at stake Rukmini runs away with Krishna.
But her reputation is not once questioned by society then or now. She was Krishna's Queen and he respected her a lot for her love and devotion towards him. He safeguarded the reputation of the woman who has come with him leaving behind everything familiar to her trusting him. So even being a run away bride because she married a man like Krishna she lived a good life. Because Krishna owned his action that he went and bought Rukmini.



Thank you for your inputs for the search of my future hubby 😆..and thank you so much for the story.. You know,I love it whenever you relate things with Mahabarth... Oh, I can see.. Even though Lord Krishna safe gaurded her and Respeced her... she was needed to share his love by so many woman. I know Lord Krishna has his own reason of Lokkalyan ...but in real life.. I have to say no to polygamy.😆.. This is why I'm not there in ETR ETR.. even after knowing RNG is giving respect to G.. Will come again after Sona's exit..

PS: And I got it what you were saying. Respect is very much needed for Woman. Not just love is enough...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@SSS no one wants Polygamy 😆😆😆. But I have seen many wives of Krishna as a symbolism of his showing that world needs many Krishna's.
Because a large number of his wives were the woman he liberated from Narakasur's prison. These women were not accepted by their families and they were planning to do suicide. So Krishna saved their reputation by marrying them.
That I have seen it as his way of telling the world not to punish the women for the crime committed by a man like Narakasur. He himself showed the way that men should come forward to give life to such women and not to leave them in lurch.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I feel you, bud😊 That was completely irresponsible on his part. Not to mention, could've led to potentially tragic consequences for that girl. This is one of a few things in BD which got me wanting to wish for partial amnesia...😆

I will be frank with you- I've stopped watching the series, because I could no longer relate to Abeer and Meher's pairing. Meher, I can identify with most of the time. Sure, she has her faults too- she can be quite bull-headed herself, not to mention, a lil myopic. But at least I can see where she's coming from.

Abeer on the other hand- his recklessness and impulsiveness didn't endear himself to me and unfortunately I couldn't see any credence in his characterization anymore.
@Red Exactly.. even though today I can see Meher did some faults too... I can see where she is coming from...But for Abeer, I can't see reasons for many.. I just wish I can forget or act like as if they were never happened... or as if I had never seen them...😳

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Posted: 9 years ago
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i would say i can't agree more with your post. Meher has always been his top priority maybe in the selfish way that he wanted her all for himself but i feel that was more when he was young just after college.That was not the time for him to be a husband and hence he made some huge mistakes.
But abeer now is different. Maybe not in his immaturity levels but in his career he is successful.And one of the major reason of their divorce was the feeling of insecurity that nearly 90% of men have that their wife is more successful or at a higher post.

Since that hurdle is passed which was the major setback of their relationship, i think his immaturity can be overshadowed by his love.

@ malikakas- i loved your analysis.Mostly because some of your points actually made me think if abeer is indeed not what i think of him as.
i agree he is flawed like everyone else.
but in of the recent episodes he said to kuber that he is so high in his life that he doesnt need to drink anymore.I feel that suggests so much towards that he can change for the good.That he is not ready to back down from his responsibilities and taking his role as a husband and father importantly.

i know he has long way to cover with all his immature self, but that can't be the determinant of his role as a husband.
But indeed your points raised are something he needs to work at
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sharoon3210


Meher told Abeer that she has responsibilities & don't have time to love but she had already fallen for him. Abeer wanted to prioritize Meher as I said earlier.

Prioritizing someone is prioritizing what they value. Not prioritizing what you value and bringing them along for the ride. Abeer prioritized romance with Meher because that's what HE wanted. But DID NOT prioritize Meher's needs. Because otherwise he would've focussed on what was important to Meher.

Meher did get an opportunity to work for KM's company but it was her choice to leave the job. Abeer never told her to quit.

But what choice did he leave her? He couldn't tolerate her long hours which she would have had to work if she became marketing director in the company. She couldn't get rid of her responsibilities as a daughter in law as long as she was wife. So the only thing that goes is the job. And Abeer is not stupid to not understand that-- there are only 24 hours in a day. If he wants more time with her-- she has to give up something else.

The fact is that she could not balance between her husband & in laws. She is not smart enough to do that.

Its not about being smart. If you are in an ambitious career then you will have to compromise somewhere.

Have you ever watched Indra Nooyi's interview (she is the CEO of Pepsico)? She basically negates this idea that a woman can have it all. Here is the short version of it incase anyone's interested.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7FAwL3GG_M[/youtube]


Basically she mentioned how her husband says that he is last on her list. Its Pepsico first, then the kids, then the family, and unfortunately he ends up coming last. That happens. Your husband has to be flexible if you are in highly competitive field, just as a wife would if the husband was. It is possible for men to be supportive.

You say Abeer fulfilled the requirements of a husband-- I didn't see that. He didn't provide for her financially. If he had been working she could've borrowed money from him and wouldn't have had a desperate need for money. He didn't support her career. Because if he did he would've said finish your presentation and we will do dinner tomorrow. Frankly he could've helped her with the presentation. And nor did he give real emotional support in that house. Every other day he would leave her alone.

Telling Tayji to give her a job and then hindering her ability to actually do that job properly is not supportive. A job like that is not a 9 to 5 thing. Even now being a CEO is not a 9 to 5 thing-- would Abeer be able to accept her working hours the way Akshat has?

Abeer & Meher were newly married. I agree they needed to make their careers but they have every right to spend quality time with each other.

Not when you promised your wife that you will respect that her responsibilities come first. And there is a way to deal with your unhappiness. Not storming off because she has to finish a presentation. After she cracked that 90 crore deal-- he could've asked her to make a request for a week off to celebrate. College students who balance their lives recognize that sometimes some things are a priority. When you have exams you can't be off romancing. And you have to be creative in ways to spend time together. Abeer could've helped her cook dinner, she would've been done faster.

So why should Abeer respect her sentiments?
Yaar I am not saying tayji is right.. but Abeer does not know what the audience knows. All he knows is that this woman has always given him what he wants, and he hurt her by marrying without her. Abeer considered her a loved one. Now if she is asking him to respect her beliefs, he can't sacrifice a week for a loved one? That is what a good human being does. Its basic respect for an elder.

Abeer knows to balance between his personal life & work.

He left Nissar to do his work for him which is not a sign of a good work ethic. He did the same thing when he was living in Meher's house after the Pinky track. He made Nissar do two shows because he was being lazy. Fame business is fickle-- he could easily fall out of favour. So you can't take it for granted. Why would Meher think Abeer would be a good influence on Ishaan with this attitude?

Tayiji's husband didn't do it deliberately
but still she chose to poke her nose in other person's business.
Tayaji was a drunk driver so he committed a sin. There is a reason why Salman is going to jail. Accident is one thing.. but driving drunk means you have knowingly committed a crime.
Bua didn't choose to poke her nose in another's business-- she was witness. Not testifying against a crime is as bad as committing the crime yourself because it means you are condoning a crime.

When did Abeer treat Devki badly?
When does he not. Meher said he was rude to Bua at the time of divorce. He himself blamed Bua for the divorce. But he was wrong. Then when he came in the house the first time-- she didn't say anything to him but he takes punga with her. He started taunting her about divorce factory. Then when he lived at their house, he purposefully tried to annoy her. Being rude to her, putting TV loud and waking them up at 4 in the morning. He tries to annoy her. But Devki never wanted to hurt Abeer-- when she thought goons were outside the door. She closed the door on their face. And she did soften up to Abeer before the accident stuff. She also let him see Meher in the hospital, she didn't have to.

Abeer knows Devki has a good reason to be angry with him. He and his family treated Meher poorly when it was his responsibility to protect her. If he is going to act petulant and kidnap her, why would she rethink her opinion of him?

It is Devki who keeps taunting & insulting him after the divorce whereas Suman & Tunnu not only has a soft corner for Abeer but also love him as much as they used to do before & they want the couple to reunite.

Suman lets disgusting Shyam continue to act like a father to Tunnu and Meher-- so she would do that for any man that was a father to a child. She would forgive the man in her life anything. She doesn't even talk back to Shyam. And tunnu is a child who is impressed with a rockstar.

Devki had nothing against Abeer until he didn't fullfil his responsibilities towards his wife and unborn child. Abeer is only saying sorry now... for the last 8 years he has been acting like he was the innocent victim. He actually called Meher chaalbaaz and dhokebaaz in front of Bua. Even if Meher divorced him and took alimony he knows he wasn't an innocent party.

Twice Bua has had to stand there and watch KM call Meher a prostitute because of Abeer. Remember how angry Suman was at Abeer for the brothel remark. Now imagine Bua listening to that first hand and watching Abeer act like only Meher is to blame. If Abeer had any remorse for his actions, he never would've hated Meher. He would've respected that he hurt Meher too.

And who had to pick up the pieces and help Meher stand on her feet now with a child to support. And this is after being left financially destitute because of a marriage that Abeer begged them for and ran away from the responsibility of. Bua has a right to say Abeer is not trustworthy.

Revati's mom also hated him because Salman had goofed up the opportunity & she had got to know about his past. However, the heroine didn't give up on him. Salman Khan had kidnapped her mom & left her in the lonely jungle for insulting his music mentor to which the heroine's dad told her that it is all because of her hatred he did that. Same is the case with Devki bua.

Love is a great movie😃. But you cannot compare the mom with Devki. Salman never hurt Revathi the way Abeer has hurt Meher. Its a different scenario. Abeer has no right to take revenge for himself because he knows he is not innocent whereas the music teacher was.

Abeer pretty much deserve everything Devki says to him because he did leave Meher thinking she was pregnant. And yes he can be forgiven, but only if he acts like he truly feels bad about the pain he caused. When he gives attitude back to bua he doesn't show her he is repentant.

Abeer only started saying sorry when he realized he wanted Meher back. But saying sorry to get something in return does not feel like genuine contrition. Why wasn't he sorry for the last 8 years? Abeer is upset that he left because he lost Meher, but at no point has he said he is sorry for the pain he has caused all of them.

Abeer trusted those people blindly not knowing that he is getting manipulated.

But its not about trusting someone else. Its about irresponsibility. Why is he drinking when he knows he has to be somewhere? He was in a same position with Meher 8 years ago-- doesn't he remember that this time he has to act differently? How can he be a good father if he cannot stand up to peer pressure or learn from his mistakes? Saying you can learn is fine-- but at some point they have to start showing me that he is changing himself.

So how is Abeer responsible for Tunnu misusing the money?

Because he gave him the money knowing Meher was saying no. He should've asked Meher why are you saying no? Then decided whether she was right or wrong before he went against it. Abeer was teaching Tunnu bad habits to do things behind Meher's back. That's why its wrong.

Meher was reading the papers fully but Tunnu made her do it in a hurry and tried to burn the food. Normally Meher would never sign papers like that. But its not the same thing because she wasn't going behind Bua or Suman's back to sign those papers. Its the difference between making a wrong turn and purposefully breaking a traffic signal because you think you are above the rules.

Abeer is not a bad guy but he does things without understanding what he is doing. He made a mistake with Tunnu-- fine no big deal. But the next time when Suman says don't use your personal money he should think- okay last time I didn't understand they were saying no to Tunnu for a good reason so maybe this time I should respect that Suman has a good reason to be so adamant.

But doesn't take it seriously when someone else says this is important or this is a big deal to me. In their marriage, Meher told him that she didn't want to take favours from his family, she didn't want their money being spent on her. But he didn't respect that sentiment when he spent 12 lacs on a birthday party. And again he didn't respect it when he used KM's money to pay off her house.

Meher is not an angel, she has made a lot of dumb decisions. A lot. But the decisions she made in her marriage weren't disrespectful. She is more likely to make herself uncomfortable than someone else. But Abeer's is more likely to disrespect someone else to fulfil whatever agenda he wants. And then he expects everyone just to baby him if he makes a mistake.

He said to Suman he isn't someone to accept punishment. And that's what I don't respect. True contrition means you accept whatever punishment the person comes up for you. You can't just do something convenient, like giving someone brownies. Meher said no even before he knew about Akshat-- he should've been willing to say I respect your feelings. Instead of trying to manipulate her by kidnapping bua.

Edited by malikakas - 9 years ago
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@Sharoon:
All that he wanted was to spend the remaining time with him
Ok but he could've helped her with her household chores too or even ask Madvhi to help out instead of getting angry. When tayji had a go at Meher because Abeer left his work early-- how could he not recognize that Meher is being held to a higher standard of responsibility than he is? Meher has come into his house, its his job to help her navigate the new relationships without making her look bad. It would've been a lot easier for him to ask Madvhi than for her to.

That is what he told Meher. He told her they will go for dinner tomorrow as presentation is important. He did support her in her career.
But he was resentful about it. He stayed out all night and turned his phone off and was angry. Saying you are being supportive but giving someone the silent treatment is being passive aggressive.

Abeer had never mentioned about her job when they had a tiff.
Actually he did. Watch the scene where he fights with her at the party and the morning after. He tells her she is fulfilling what his father wanted for him and bringing him down in front of the family. He was very insecure that she was getting a higher status than him. So he is making it about the job.

In Pinky track, Sattu told Abeer not to come till things get normal.
I am talking about after the pinky track when he was faking his injury. Nissar had to work on 2 shows because Abeer wanted to trouble Meher so pretended like he was still injured. Meher asked him why he wasn't going to work. And they had a conversation about him not respecting work.

Devki might have done that for good cause but she didn't think about the consequences. It was the driver who was drunk.
It was KM's brother that was driving. There was no driver in that scene. KM's brother drank from a beer bottle and threw it out the window, nearly ran over Devki first and then killed the fruit vendor. Devki was thinking about the consequences-- if he went off scot free, maybe next time he would kill someone she loved-- like Meher.

In Meher's accident it was the driver.

They have a problem when Abeer gave courage to Ishaan to face those guys.
Abeer is good to give courage. But Abeer was wrong to tell him to fight. Research shows hitting back tends to make the bullying episodes more severe. The fat kid didn't back down, he beat Ishaan more. And he won't leave him alone now. What if Ishaan got a head injury and died because Abeer encouraged him to hit back. It takes a split second for something to go wrong. Defending yourself is different from hitting back.

And I disagree with giving contacts to a 7 year old-- its dangerous. They don't know proper eye care. They might get an infection, they might get a corneal abrasion. I had keratitis for a while from wearing contacts.

People can look good in glasses too-- Ishaan should be encouraged to embrace himself as he is, flaws and all. Abeer is doing to Ishaan what his father did to him. His father wanted to make Abeer like himself, and Abeer is putting pressure on Ishaan to be "cool" according to what he thinks is cool. No kid should ever be given the pressure to be cool because if he doesn't live up to it he is going to feel insecure... the way Abeer felt insecure for not living up to his father's expectations.

What Abeer did to Meher cannot be justified & I'm not trying to either.
The point is not what he did. I think even Devki could forgive it-- she was softening towards him until the accident.

But it explains why Devki is justifiably upset now. Put yourself in Devki's position. For 8 years Abeer has acted like everything was Meher and Devki's fault and he was the innocent lamb. But after finding out the truth -- he follows it up by getting drunk and kidnapping her? How is she going to suddenly think he is good guy? Its just going to prove her opinions right that he is not redeemable.

I am not saying what Devki believes is true-- but I am saying Devki is right to have that opinion based on how Abeer behaves.

he stopped taunting her after knowing the truth.
But that's not true. He kidnapped her. He provoked her further for no reason at all. How can anyone expect her not to be furious?

Even in Tunnu's case, he used his person al money. Rs. 80,000/- shares were only in his name which means that it is his money.
KM gave him those shares as a birthday present. It was still his dad's money. Abeer was negligent with his own money. He only had 11 lacs of personal money. The writers have written him as an irresponsible man with a good heart.

Abeer too felt that Meher & Devki are strict with him more than what is required.
But that's not Abeer's place to decide. If he thinks they are too strict then he should tell Meher and Devki that. Not go against their decisions behind their back and tell Tunnu to hide it from Meher.

If my sister is says no to my niece then I can't go against her even if I think she is being too strict. Because it disrupts the disciplinary axis and creates spoiled children. It encourages children to subvert authority.

Indirectly, Abeer reinforced this idea that as long as Meher doesn't find out, Tunnu can do what he wants. Tunnu doesn't have the maturity to understand where the line is between what Abeer told him and what he did. So it was wrong of Abeer to go against Tunnu's parental figures who know what Tunnu's maturity level is better than he does.

Abeer is a good person but he makes bad decisions. He needs to understand that there are consequences to actions. He cannot react impulsively. And that's why Meher doesn't trust him.

No son would want his mother to pledge her jewellery.
You missed my point. Its not his place to make that decision. Suman strictly told him no several times. He should respect that Suman has a reason for being so adamant. If he can feel insulted by the idea of living off his wife, couldn't he understand how it could hurt someone else's self respect to use his dad's money? He doesn't put himself in someone else's shoes to see how he would feel if he were them.

I blame Suman here too though-- because clearly Meher could've arranged the money easily. She shouldn't have trusted Abeer.

Meher will say that she does not want any favors from his family but the very family has raised up Abeer. So he felt that he is very much privileged as the only son of his parents & it is their duty to support him. But Meher could have discussed these things with Abeer later on.
Meher explained her point of view of not wanting to live off the family money BEFORE she took her job. So, Abeer also had a responsibility to respect that Meher might be uncomfortable with spending so much of his dad's money on her. She understood his feelings, did he make an attempt to understand her?

Meher could've picked fights with him about a lot of things but she accepted his flaws. Even after everything she tried to change herself by quitting her job because she took his feelings seriously. Did he? He asked to avoid the divorce but the CVs didn't actually show Abeer say he was sorry instead he manipulates her into feeling guilty.

When Abeer apologized, he didn't receive forgiveness.
Tough cookies. You can't kidnap bua and blackmail Meher because they aren't giving you immediate forgiveness. Now you really don't deserve forgiveness. Other people don't have to give you what you want because you say so.

Abeer will be the best person only after he understands how to have empathy.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@sharoon I am not debating on other points. But please watch the fb where the accident of fruit vendor happens. Taiji was with her husband in car. Her husband committed the crime of drunken driving and on top of that offense in that state he killed a man. Kuber tells them he has taken care of all witness with money. But bua comes last minute and give testimony. And if you call that action poking nose tomorrow when you need justice there will be no one to help you. Taiji says bus destroyed her life. What about fruit vendor family destroyed by her husband
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@shruthiravi

Thanks for clearing the doubt. But giving the testimony happens only in movies & shows. But in real life, no one will have time to go to the cops & lodge a complaint in cities like Mumbai. If any one goes to give a complaint, police will keep them in custody & they have to prove their innocence in the court.

For that matter even in Bangalore & other cities, there are so many hit & run cases but only the family members of that victim has to bear it.

Nobody actually cares. At the most that victim is admitted to the hospital.


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