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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: kahiliginger

That is right, Bhikaji grew up as Bhikaji Shinde. His brother Ranoji was not Balaji's offspring but Balaji provided for their mother as well as for both the boys. Children born to mistresses were cared for but could never be assimilated within the Peshwa family due to caste barriers. They were referred to as Lekaawala. This was also true of Mastani's son Shamsher Bahadur who was brought up in the Muslim faith.

Mastani fans insist on calling her Bajirao's lawfully wedded wife but fail to make the connection- had she been considered a legitimate wife why would Shamsher not be brought up in his father's faith? If the legend about her origin is taken into account Mastani herself was born illegitimate and her mother was non-Hindu. Modern readers cannot grasp the fact that the basis to the Peshwa family's opposition to Mastani was the rigid caste structure of 18th century Maharashtra.

Unlike the Rajputs of the North who took multiple wives and concubines from various castes the Peshwa men could never take non-Brahmin wives, even if they did the woman could never get the status of a licit Peshwa bahu. No matter how attached Bajirao was to Mastani he could never manage to shift this paradigm.

Bhikaji was given a position of some significance in Bajirao's army. His relation with Bajirao remained cordial during the latter's lifetime but not much is known about what happened to Bhikaji and his family thereafter. Official documents of the Peshwas rarely record details about illegitimate children and their issue.

Thank you once again for that wonderful post 👏 We need to consider the situation back then and though now we all agree that what happened with Mastani was wrong but back then caste system was rigid esp among Brahmins. So no matter what people would like to say Mastani may have wedded Bajirao by her dagger ritual, her marriage was illegitimate considering the society back then and we can't change what happened.

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kahiliginger

@kahiliginger

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

One must remember that irrespective of what the serial portrays the facts are available to anyone who can access books on Maratha history. TV shows only intend to entertain, not educate.

No matter how much Bajirao's family and society opposed his relation with Mastani he was passionately attached to her. He tried to keep her close and pampered her. One cannot blame Mastani if she was attached to him with as much fervour.

Naturally this led to discontent in his family and among the Brahmin moneylenders of Pune, many of whom were related to the Peshwa by marriage (including Kashi's parents and Bhiu's in-laws) and from whom he borrowed large funds for his battle campaigns. They could not rationalise the elevation of Mastani to the level of Kashi, their own kin, the Peshwa wife of many years who had served her husband devotedly. Let us not forget that caste boundaries were rather strong then. The rise of the Chitpawan Brahmins, the community to which the Peshwa belonged, had been in tandem with that of the Peshwa's own fortune. Many of them were in influential positions in the Peshwa administration and the army. The large presence of the community gave an orthodox outlook to the Pune of the late 1730s.

By 1738 Bajirao distanced himself from Kashi and began living with Mastani in her apartment where he was free to drink and eat meat. These habits were taboo to Brahmins then and caused a huge scandal; with Brahmin priests threatening to boycott the thread ceremony of the Peshwa's son Raghunath and the wedding of Chimaji's son Sadashiv. The frustrated Radhabai took the drastic decision of separating Mastani from Bajirao as there was a general perception among the public that his licentious lifestyle was due to her influence. Bajirao aggravated matters even more when he refused to distance himself from her. The chapter ended only after Bajirao's death due to illness in Rawerkhedi on the Narmada bank in April 1740.

Edited by kahiliginger - 8 years ago

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suchismita234

@suchismita234

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

Some historians claim that kashibai was involved in mastani's imprisonment..however it has not been proven! So who knows what might happen

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: suchismita234
Some historians claim that kashibai was involved in mastani's imprisonment..however it has not been proven! So who knows what might happen

If Kashi was involved in the imprisonment of Mastani, then she wouldn't bother raising Shamsher as her own son post Bajirao Mastani's death. Many also claim that she was never a part of Chima and Radhabai's conspiracy but she couldn't raise her voice against them either.

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kahiliginger

@kahiliginger

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Posted: 8 years ago

#25

The last few months of Rau/'s life were rather stormy. Even if he was the most powerful man in the Maratha Empire at the time he could not go against the combined forces of Radha, Chimaji and Balaji aka Nana. He could not convince them to free Mastani who was being held under house arrest. He tried to bargain with them for her freedom, promising to give up drinking if Mastani was freed and sent to him.

Can you imagine how absolute the informal authority Radhabai wielded must have been in the family in this matter? Kashi never had a say in any situation, whether it was Bajirao introducing Mastani into their lives in 1729 or Radhabai instructing Chimaji to confine Mastani to prevent her from contacting Bajirao.

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prettypri

@prettypri

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Posted: 8 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

Balaji only asked for the acceptance of his illegitimate children. But did he honestly ask Baji to accept the other woman as his mother? 😲 I will watch that scene again.

No Balaji didn't..

That was a mistake... It was only the sons whom he promised to accept as his own brothers.

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: kahiliginger
The last few months of Rau/'s life were rather stormy. Even if he was the most powerful man in the Maratha Empire at the time he could not go against the combined forces of Radha, Chimaji and Balaji aka Nana. He could not convince them to free Mastani who was being held under house arrest. He tried to bargain with them for her freedom, promising to give up drinking if Mastani was freed and sent to him.

Can you imagine how absolute the informal authority Radhabai wielded must have been in the family in this matter? Kashi never had a say in any situation, whether it was Bajirao introducing Mastani into their lives in 1729 or Radhabai instructing Chimaji to confine Mastani to prevent her from contacting Bajirao.

I wish the makers would portray Bajirao as a human who had his own set of flaws and not a righteous warrior who never erred. Mastani may have been his eternal love but I am sure if she hadn't been a negative influence in his life the Peshwa family would have ignored her even if they didn't acknowledge her existence. But here it will be shown that he fell for Mastani coz he found a soulmate in her which he could never see in Kashi, then they will further butcher the show by showing Kashi as an evil scheming woman who tried to make life miserable for Mastani. Chima and Radhabai will take over Nasir Jung and Pant to become the new villains 😆

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: prettypri
No Balaji didn't..
That was a mistake... It was only the sons whom he promised to accept as his own brothers.

No worries 😊 I saw that scene again and there was no mention of that woman. I guess maybe she had died and that was why Balaji wanted to secure their future and asked Baji to care for them.

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harshal

@harshu27

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Posted: 8 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

Huh? People are happy with this track? 😕 I don't have a problem with Megha playing Mastani but her entry at this point in time is what majority of the viewers are upset about. I checked Youtube also and many seem to dislike Mastani. Am surprised that on FB and Twitter fans are happy with this track. All I can say is that the makers are butchering Kashi to highlight Mastani and her epic love with Baji 🤢 I thought since they showed a cute chemistry between them in the pre leap track they will at least give us a glimpse into their happy married life but NO. Their marriage could be non existent for all Baji cares. If majority of the viewers are liking this crap then makers will continue with it. I will give it a pass after few episodes or watch it on n off like u.

i guess pre leap most of us dreaded fr dis day to cum where baji mastani luv will b glorified...nt dt we hate it but yes i agree wid ur pts dt dey should have shwn baji kashi cute bonding a cute nok jhok a bit lite romance and of course der frndship becuming strong like old wine.. but alas we gt to see baji acting as stranger in front of kashi as if she wasnt his wife but sum unknwn lady😕and dts wat is irking me as well...🥱baji kashi ka acha bonding hota and dn baji falling fr mastani fr a diff reason would b justifiable bt no... d cvs have lost der brains cumpletely😡

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 8 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: harshu27
i guess pre leap most of us dreaded fr dis day to cum where baji mastani luv will b glorified...nt dt we hate it but yes i agree wid ur pts dt dey should have shwn baji kashi cute bonding a cute nok jhok a bit lite romance and of course der frndship becuming strong like old wine.. but alas we gt to see baji acting as stranger in front of kashi as if she wasnt his wife but sum unknwn lady😕and dts wat is irking me as well...🥱baji kashi ka acha bonding hota and dn baji falling fr mastani fr a diff reason would b justifiable bt no... d cvs have lost der brains cumpletely😡

I was actually not dreading it esp after the last pre leap epi where they showed Baji Kashi bond strengthening but post leap its just 🥱 I do agree with some of the members here that the focus should be on Bajirao's military conquests but given this is a TV show and not a documentary it would be hard. The majority of the focus could be on his political life and the few glimpses of his personal life should depict reality. Am sure he shared a sweet bond with Kashi. He had many children with Kashi than with Mastani but that is not the case here. There is no understanding, no trust and no love between Baji Kashi. On twitter Bajirao Mastani love track is being applauded and only in IF we are boiling our blood for nothing. I guess the only option we have is to watch this show till we can endure it and then quit for good.

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