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Posted: 12 years ago
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shown in this very serial

no mourning over his dead baby by Ovi but ecstatiic that he got one by Purvi

no bother about Pia but thinks occasionally only of Pari .

Fact .

Manju was a villain . But loved both her daughters . Shown .

Rasika was a villain . But loved Ajit and Manju . She never did partiality.She did villainy , true , but never can we accuse her for looking out for one child more than the other . Even in her villainy she tried to see that both her kids benefited .

Arjun is supposed to be the lead . But the way he has come across as a human being is beyond a lead , villain or even a jerk ...coz even Dharmesh loved Varun and scolded Vaishali when she ill treated him .

The villains were better parents , maybe not perfect but definetely better .

Let us take a look at the bad parents who can today be safely taken as parents who should be the role models of what not to be in the book of parenting .

Archana ...who OPTED not to bring up her kids or even keep cursory contact with them and only pamper one foster child coz she saw HER UPBRINGING embodied in her . Archana REEKS of the stench of ego . See the state of her bio kids today .

Purvi who HAD everything like Archana . A husband who loved her , made money , healthy kid ...but Archana and Purvi get restless when the going is smooth . They lose interest in humdrum marital bliss and look around for something to make issues . Archana made the chawl court case issue and accused her husband falsely , Purvi made the Ovi pregnancy issue and accused her husband falsely . Both seperated from husbands egoistically , one ditched her children , one did not allow her only child to have the experience of a father . They r both egoistic destructive women not fit for marraige .

Won't go into the older generation ...coz whatever faults Sulochana and Savita had they stayed with their husbands , made a home for their kids to come to and had a marraige . They did their job , maybe not perfectly but they did it .

It is Arjun ,Purvi and Archana who have destroyed the lives of kids for highs of 'pyaar' .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Totally agree with you kool.
Arjun, now faced with death - could try to connect with both of his offspring. He seems only to care about Pari, and nothing about Pia. I can't imagine - a child is innocent and a treatment so partial coming from a bio-parent - is totally unbelievable. Ekta only trying to show love for Pari - because of his amar prem for Purvi - how is a child's love depended on her Mother - PR is so lopsided...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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And this heinous partiality is called 'human ' . Maybe it is , coz humans DO commit these unforgivable acts . Then i would only say he has one hell of a striking flaw .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird




There is no excuse for loving one daughter and not loving the other. Both are your flesh and blood, regardless of who the mother is. Yes, pia is Ovi's daughter , but if he could sleep with ovi why not love the baby ? I am not asking him to love ovi but only asking to love his daughter , the one who has been neglected for no mistake of her own. Her parents made mistakes which she is suffering for. Pia is not the reason for arvi separation , neither is ovi, if two people don't have trust in each other that's their problem not the baby's or the ex wife's .
When you are a father , your love will be equal to all your children , if not then you are no better than the parents like Soham .
Arjun never does or say anything without his own selfishness, he doesn't respect that, he wanted ovi to go so he used pia as an excuse. Pia is as much as his daughter as pari is , but he longs for pari but not pia 🤢 What a no-man -.-



I agree, Pia is not the reason for ArVi's separation and neither is Ovi a direct reason for ArVi's separation as well.

But lets not get into the Ovi-Purvi debate.

Your issue here is that you feel Arjun loves one more than the other.

From what I have seen, and I have been watching the episodes (unfortunately) is that Arjun has more contact with Pia than Pari, he knows more about her and therefore will not have the same intensity of longing.

NEVER once in any of the episodes was it shown that he loves Pari more. The story is such that the focus is on Pari for 2 reasons. First, she is the child he has with Purvi and whether we want to acknowledge it or not, Pari will be given more importance cause the writers gave more importance to Purvi. Just as Purvi was given more importance over Ovi-Teju cause she was the one raised by Archana. Its not an issue, its just where the focus of the story is. Secondly, they will focus on Pari more cause he does not have ANY relation with Pari right now. We can assume from the episodes and since him and Ovi have remained "friends" that he at least knows about Pia and whats happening. Like I mentioned, him and Ovi spoke about her a few episodes ago.

As to who Arjun loves more. NO ONE, can tell me he loves one over the other even if she shows favouritism towards one.

I can live in the same house hold as my siblings and sometimes my own parents can like one over the other. We can all argue and scream and say that "we are suppose to love all our children equally". But many parents out there can tell you that you love all your children in different ways and individually and uniquely. That love is not shown in the same way for all and that love may not be visible to the eye. I know MANY mothers who have a little bit of love and affection towards their son over their daughters. Same way a child can live under the same roof as their parents and them and their father or mother will not see eye to eye or may not even get along.

Until it has been evident in the show, I will not agree that Arjun only wants Pari and not Pia and he only loves Pari and not Pia. For me, and to my mind's eye... he loves them both. Just in different ways. AND what will not change is that the writers will continue to focus on Purvi-Arjun (ArVi) and hence, Pari will still be the child that they are gonna show a love-hate parental bond with.

That does not make Arjun selfish, weak or any of the derogatory words we want to throw at him.


Edited by Ashlaika - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The thing is the CVs tried to focus on teenagerish concept of 'pyaar' .

While doing so , they tried to show Arjun loving Purvi more than anything ...even the kids . Arjun could sleep with another woman for Purvi ! Arjun could stay undivorced in a stifling marraige for Purvi! Arjun tried to 'protect' Purvi gallantly when she was married to someone else ! Arjun took Purvi's word and stayed away from his kid Pari and gave her the unreasonable space she demanded ! What love! Fighting for kids is so petty and crude! Dancing in rains , parties etc and being the lover's yes man is so so admirable !

In trying to show Arjun as a lover they butchered him as a father .

Not that he was portrayed as a great lover either . He was portrayed as a silly lover . The CVs have been unfair to his characterization as they wanted Purvi to be queen bee . Its another issue that CVs failed even there miserably , they made Purvi annoying .

Simple example . Instead of cutting birthday cakes each year to commemorate Purvi the ditcher why not apply for visitation rights in court and fight to have the right to be present in Pari's birthday instead ?

But nope . CVs felt the fight would destroy Arjun Purvi story . Arjun Purvi love story according to them rocks when Purvi rules and Arjun is the slave who puts her before everything else , even his kids .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

The thing is the CVs tried to focus on teenagerish concept of 'pyaar' .


While doing so , they tried to show Arjun loving Purvi more than anything ...even the kids . Arjun could sleep with another woman for Purvi ! Arjun could stay undivorced in a stifling marraige for Purvi! Arjun tried to 'protect' Purvi gallantly when she was married to someone else ! Arjun took Purvi's word and stayed away from his kid Pari and gave her the unreasonable space she demanded ! What love! Fighting for kids is so petty and crude! Dancing in rains , parties etc and being the lover's yes man is so so admirable !

In trying to show Arjun as a lover they butchered him as a father .

Not that he was portrayed as a great lover either . He was portrayed as a silly lover . The CVs have been unfair to his characterization as they wanted Purvi to be queen bee . Its another issue that CVs failed even there miserably , they made Purvi annoying .

Simple example . Instead of cutting birthday cakes each year to commemorate Purvi the ditcher why not apply for visitation rights in court and fight to have the right to be present in Pari's birthday instead ?

But nope . CVs felt the fight would destroy Arjun Purvi story . Arjun Purvi love story according to them rocks when Purvi rules and Arjun is the slave who puts her before everything else , even his kids .


In trying to show Arjun as a lover they butchered him as a father .

agree with ur statement👍🏼
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ashlaika



I agree, Pia is not the reason for ArVi's separation and neither is Ovi a direct reason for ArVi's separation as well.

But lets not get into the Ovi-Purvi debate.

Your issue here is that you feel Arjun loves one more than the other.

From what I have seen, and I have been watching the episodes (unfortunately) is that Arjun has more contact with Pia than Pari, he knows more about her and therefore will not have the same intensity of longing.


From what I got in the last 2 episodes or so that Ive watched on tele is that he has actually never interacted with Pia in the last 20 years as per Ovi's statement- Bachpan se sirf apni aai ko hi to dekha hai. and arjun just nods awkwardly. So shouldn't the longing be just as bad?

NEVER once in any of the episodes was it shown that he loves Pari more. The story is such that the focus is on Pari for 2 reasons. First, she is the child he has with Purvi and whether we want to acknowledge it or not, Pari will be given more importance cause the writers gave more importance to Purvi. Just as Purvi was given more importance over Ovi-Teju cause she was the one raised by Archana. Its not an issue, its just where the focus of the story is. Secondly, they will focus on Pari more cause he does not have ANY relation with Pari right now. We can assume from the episodes and since him and Ovi have remained "friends" that he at least knows about Pia and whats happening. Like I mentioned, him and Ovi spoke about her a few episodes ago.

Ya they did speak but he didn't ask her anything about Pia other than- she must be missing you a lot, you should go home. there was no other question or curiosity on Arjuns part. just a way to politely ask ovi to leave now that his work was done. which is fair enough i guess.

As to who Arjun loves more. NO ONE, can tell me he loves one over the other even if she shows favouritism towards one. I can live in the same house hold as my siblings and sometimes my own parents can like one over the other. We can all argue and scream and say that "we are suppose to love all our children equally". But many parents out there can tell you that you love all your children in different ways and individually and uniquely. That love is not shown in the same way for all and that love may not be visible to the eye. I know MANY mothers who have a little bit of love and affection towards their son over their daughters. Same way a child can live under the same roof as their parents and them and their father or mother will not see eye to eye or may not even get along.

You've said it yourself, when they live under the same roof, parents do get along with one child better than the other, sometimes. But here the children don't live with the dad. the dad has no idea about the personality of his two children. so the idea that he would differentiate based on personality is null. arjun's only point of differentiating is based on who the mother is. thats just unfair.

Until it has been evident in the show, I will not agree that Arjun only wants Pari and not Pia and he only loves Pari and not Pia. For me, and to my mind's eye... he loves them both. Just in different ways. AND what will not change is that the writers will continue to focus on Purvi-Arjun (ArVi) and hence, Pari will still be the child that they are gonna show a love-hate parental bond with.

That does not make Arjun selfish, weak or any of the derogatory words we want to throw at him.

I admire Arjun's love for purvi and pari. he has a lot of great qualities. the fool tries his best and life has dealt him a short stick. BUT theres no denying that he is, idk if selfish or weak would be the correct words, but definitely indifferent towards Pia. In 20 years he exchanged texts with ovi but that was it. maybe asked about Pia but the fact is he could've kept Pia with him during summer holidays, gone on holidays with her, been there for school functions and pta meetings- the whole shebang. he definitely had the money to do it. now you may ask how do i know he didn't do that? well thats what I got from his and ovi's conversation- there was noone but ovi in Pia's life. ovi wouldn't have stopped him. and you don't need to be with the mother to care for your children. all that he couldn't do for Pari, he could've done for Pia- there was no majboori there. now if they show that he did interact with Pia at least for 3 months a year, then i will take back everything I've said. and i agree with your focus on pari thing but thats a flaw in the cvs mind. they needed to show arjun being just as distraught about Pia as he is about Pari. that scene with Ovi was the perfect opportunity. they could've shown arjun take the phone from ovi and talk to his daughter. or just ask ovi qusetions-hows her studies going? how tall is she? what has she been upto lately? three sentences and he would've established himself as an acceptable father for Pia. that would make him seem so much better as a lead. that would've shown that he would've been a good father to all his children and life just dealt him a bad hand. right now he's doing nothing to deserve sympathy other than dying. I'm sorry to jump in and I get it that arjun is your favorite but if Purvi and Ovi fans can agree to their flaws then I'm sure that you will agree- His indifference to Pia's upbringing is maybe his only completely inexcusable flaw. now you can choose to ignore that flaw in his character being a fan- I'm sure i often ignore flaws with ovi- but you cannot deny this. he's been a bad father to Pia. that doesn't make him an animal- only humans can choose to be indifferent to their children. it makes him human.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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My Main problem with Not Only Arjun But with all couples of PR is that they might be hell good lovers but they suck in other relationships, Their relationship is all Organic, Manav and Arjun might move mountains for their Ladies but could care less about their kids. Manav Lost Soham because of Archana, Arjun lost Pari because of Purvi but their Longing for these women never decreases. Does a Pavitra-Rishta only limited to Chemistry and Biology? What about Parent-Children, Siblings and all other Rishtas. One cannot have 'Dil kyu mera shor kare' all your life- can you? Archana gave her kids away and Purvi gave Pari! All for What? Only for their self styled bhalaai, These two ladies might be greatest attraction, a alluring fantasy for their men but as Mothers they simply suck. Both ArMan and ArVi might have rocking Love-lives when they are together but as Parents they always seem to be on the Rocks. Regarding Arjun being Human? Well he looks like one,dresses like one But his mind occassionaly transgresses which made him loose his everything only for a never-ending and unflenching Desire for one woman and Mind you there is Nothing Pavitra about it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: archverma10

Well said, Ash. You know its amazing how often we are quick to point out the flaws in another person's behavior, reactions, or handling of the situation---and of course fail to do the one most important thing---which is put ourselves in their shoes. Arjun has been through a lot. From Day 1. Certainly he could have handled certain situations better, as well as Ovi and Purvi. But the truth is that in life, it is struggle and adversity that makes us grow in faith and character. If he is handling things the best way he can, well and good. If he isnt, he will learn from the experience, and be stronger in character for it. Either way, who are we to judge? If someone is doing things right and in a good way, then commend and praise them. If they are wrong, pray for them and hope they learn from it and do better next time. EIther way, wish them well. Period.



I never comment on characters unless I put myself in their shoes. However, if I were Arjun I wouldn't let this happen to me if I loved Purvi. If I were Arjun I wouldn't sleep with the person I don't love and if I did I would own up to it and if I can't live with the baby at least I would make the effort to see the baby once a year, that's the least you could do. Didn't arjun grow up with a single dad , doesn't he know how tough it is for a single parents? Both his children were alone, but at least one had the maternal clan while the other was completely alone. There is NO EXCUSE for this. I cannot even understand why and how a father would neglect a child just because the mother isn't the one he loves. 🥱
Edited by ilovedhanjanird - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Since this was supposed to be a thread about Arjun not about Purvi...(how did that happen again???)...
...has anyone considered the possibility that Ovi didn't want Arjun involved in their lives as far as Pia is concerned? Why blame Arjun for everything? It WAS shown at the beginning that Ovi was ADAMANT that Arjun not be involved with Pia... perhaps she stayed with that idea...even though she occasionally spoke to Arjun. Since the writers have not made us privy to the information, perhaps we should refrain from judgement.

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