Living in denial! - Page 11

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Janhvi,

Unless you were joking, I think you have got Kalapi wrong on the supari. She did not mean the accompaniment for pan, she meant a contract for a killing. Supari is gangster slang for a contract killing, just as ghoda is slang for a gun and khoka is slang for one crore.

In such a case, both the contract killer and the contract giver are held guilty of first degree murder, since the actual murderer was acting as an agent of the supari giver, and was paid for it .

This said, in this particular case, Purvi could not have been arraigned for child swapping, unless the argument was that she used her husband as an agent. But she is morally as responsible, if not more so, than he is, and as you might remember, I was appalled that she did not insist on being a witness at his trial and did not make an strong emotional plea on his behalf, taking all the blame for the deed, for its conception, if not for its execution.Instead, she just sat there like a dummy.

By now, of course, she has practically forgotten what she brought down on him; when she is talking to Gauri, she does not even mention the destruction of such a highly regarded and such a philanthropic doctor, and her crucial role in this disaster. Selective memory with a vengeance.

Shyamala

First thing first...Awesome posts by Kools, kalapi, Cs-07 & sowmya..👏 I was not online most of the day and just finished reading this topic...Did not want to write until I read past 12 pages..

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Kalapi, I wrote once and the post got swallowed, here it is again. 😉

I will try keeping it short and my head is going dizzy with the rainbow of color and soon I will loss count of who said what 😃

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Kalapi, please do not make a habit of attributing words or opinions not my own. I will be happy to debate till the cows come home but please don't ascribe stuff that I didn't say.

I am not sure what you mean, by putting words in your mouth...I am just going by your post and as you said about Supari...Now, I am guessi ng, you didn't know the meaning of the term. I didn't know that you did/couldn't know. Now, how am I to know that when Supari is used in all Bolly/Gangster movies...is that my fault???

First of, I was not familiar with the term supari meaning a contract to kill so if that is the premise you are going by, that is not what I meant at all.

Did I say give a contract to kill someone? I did not use that term at all. And as for ridding the world of a person with depression, I don't even know where that came from. I was giving you an example, let us try again with a different example - if two teens get into a fight and a friend of the teen says to one, why didn't you beat him, and the teen takes it upon himself to beat the other guy he was fighting with, the courts are going to look leniently on the friend, more leniently than they would compared to the teen that actually did the act of beating. That is all I meant, and please don't twist or convolute the meaning😆. It is face value no hidden agenda there.

Again, I guess we were miscommunicating - and that can't be attributed to me alone as how am I to know that you didn't know of Supari...seriously, JAnhvi - we have debated before, you really think I have the habit of putting words in someone's else mouth - Sorry, to say, you probably confusing me with some one else. I am an extremely staright forward person - don't need hypocrisy in my life - can't deal with hypocrisy, so please don't put it as an attribute. If you didn't understand a word, the fauth isn't mine...

You said unhappy person and killing - I assumed depressed - I mean how else, could you have talked abt killing unhappy person??? We don't kill just any unhappy ppl, do we...I think we have gone tangent, cause of the misunderstanding of that word Supari...so, let is stop here...I am not here to convolute anything - that isn't my nature - sorry, can't be, with the jpob I do...so let me just stop here...but, the fact remains, if you didn't understand a word, that isn't my fault...

As for the courts finding wealth as a motive, please. All Purvi needed to do was tell Arjun the child is his to get his wealth. But I am digressing, the courts will examine motive, what they accept as convincing will depend upon the judge and jury, of course, the opposing counsels are at liberty to present what they will as proof.

And, I see what the show says, PR didn't show that to be Purvi's motive, I am tempted to say I do not find find hidden motives for Purvi's action because I am not blinded by my adulation for Ovi. And while you say we are both at liberty to have our own POVS, your accusation that I don't see certain things because of my blind love for a character is getting a tad personal and judgemental of my mental faculties which is taking it a bit too far so let us not go there.

What is adulation of Ovi...you mean to say swapping of child is to be glorified- which Court does it - not the Real court of this world _ Purvi did a crime - took away a baby, didn't give the mom to mourn. If she wanted to give the child, she should have given her telling Ovi the truth. Yes, she could even tell Arjun the truth...no, but that is not what she did. Did Ovi, tell Onir to swap her baby for Purvi's death one???

I guess, I can say the same about Purvi - it her her adulation that members turn a blind eye to her crime - intentions - really, a baby is swapped - this is criminal - if you don't see it, that is OK, but hope you don't follow Purvi's footstep in real life - that will be disastrous,,,,

A sin is a sin

My dear Soumya,

I have deliberately stayed out of these elaborate and very colourful debates on this thread - Sharad should be felicitated for having provoked such a riotous display (pun intended).

But this is just to tell you that I am with you 100% for the part in, to avoid all confusion, red.. Arjun and Purvi are a couple who do not confess the nature of their current relationship even to themselves. If they were honest about it and went off and set up house with Pari, it would be one thing. It is their hypocrisy that gets my goat.

Arjun is constantly on pins about his ex-and-current love's welfare, trying to pass it off as concern about their daughter. Still, he weeps over his wife's logical and sensible move for a divorce. He is insufferable, and any normal husband would have beaten him black and blue for hanging around his wife, especially in the rain, and forbidden him from entering his kholi. Pari may be Arjun's daughter, but Onir is not obliged to let his wife's ex use that excuse to infest his home. Even a Western husband would not react kindly to such a chap consorting all the time with his wife. Divorced spouses share child custody without being constantly in each other's company. It is ridiculous.

It is worse that Purvi discusses her husband with her ex-boyfriend,and also approves of his setting a detective after him. Nice behaviour from a caring, if not a loving wife, and this towards a husband who has treated her like the apple of his eye when she was in dire straits. It is the height of ingratitude, if nothing else, and cheap behaviour.

That Onir is so 'understanding' is in fact a large part of the problem. If Purvi had been married to a standard issue husband, she would have learnt the facts of life pretty soon, especially about how marriages work, above all in India, He would have straightened her out, and told her bluntly that if she wanted to continue her aashiqui with her former lover, she could take her kid and go live with him, and he,Onir, would divorce her pronto. She would have stayed put and fallen in line.

Lastly, I am tired of this oft repeated argument that Onir married her knowing that she loved another, and so he should lump whatever she dishes out to him. From letting him sleep on the floor to running off to meet her ex at the drop of a hat, and secretly, for she never tells Onir about it. If he had hired a detective and handed over the photos to Archana and Manav, or to a divorce court, ArVi would have been in a nice soup.

You have covered this angle well, but mildly. True, theirs was a marriage of convenience. One of very great convenience for her - as an unwed single mother in Kolkatta, her life, especially in that stratum of society, would have been hell. Not for him. I cannot think of anything that he has gained from it. Plus he has been destroyed professionally for foolishly indulging her every whim, in disregard of both ethics and commonsense. But she is barely concerned about that, and she has practically blanked it out by now: witness her careful omission of this aspect in her recital the other day to Gauri.

In fact, she never even thinks that she owes this paragon of a husband anything; and at the first sign of trouble, she is instantly ready to believe the worst, and does not lift a finger to try and check things for herself.

The truth is that Onir is doing himself a great favour in disentangling himself from this Tar Baby, though he might not see it as such. If his luck holds, he will get clean away. But if, as I suspect, it does not and his secret is outed, then the Tar Baby will be back with a vengeance, and poor Onir's goose will be cooked to a crisp!😉

Shyamala Aunty

QUOTE=sowmya_jairam]My comments in black (now in red) 😃

Originally posted by: sharadrocks

The argument which is put forth for Purvi that Onir knew abt Purvi was pregnant by her ex...Onir did not know that it was Arjun, and how Purvi coersed Arjun into marrying her step sister after having PMS...Also Onir did not know abt Ovi-Arjun were engaged to be married prior to Arjun pursuing Purvi 😳 SHe did not share anything with Onir...She let out some facts to Onir on need to know bases...She did the same with Gauri tell her only half truth abt Onir...Not the full truth..This is how she manipulates facts and situations..

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Soumya,

I have deliberately stayed out of these elaborate and very colourful debates on this thread - Sharad should be felicitated for having provoked such a riotous display (pun intended).

But this is just to tell you that I am with you 100% for the part in, to avoid all confusion, red.. Arjun and Purvi are a couple who do not confess the nature of their current relationship even to themselves. If they were honest about it and went off and set up house with Pari, it would be one thing. It is their hypocrisy that gets my goat.

Arjun is constantly on pins about his ex-and-current love's welfare, trying to pass it off as concern about their daughter. Still, he weeps over his wife's logical and sensible move for a divorce. He is insufferable, and any normal husband would have beaten him black and blue for hanging around his wife, especially in the rain, and forbidden him from entering his kholi. Pari may be Arjun's daughter, but Onir is not obliged to let his wife's ex use that excuse to infest his home. Even a Western husband would not react kindly to such a chap consorting all the time with his wife. Divorced spouses share child custody without being constantly in each other's company. It is ridiculous.

It is worse that Purvi discusses her husband with her ex-boyfriend,and also approves of his setting a detective after him. Nice behaviour from a caring, if not a loving wife, and this towards a husband who has treated her like the apple of his eye when she was in dire straits. It is the height of ingratitude, if nothing else, and cheap behaviour.

That Onir is so 'understanding' is in fact a large part of the problem. If Purvi had been married to a standard issue husband, she would have learnt the facts of life pretty soon, especially about how marriages work, above all in India, He would have straightened her out, and told her bluntly that if she wanted to continue her aashiqui with her former lover, she could take her kid and go live with him, and he,Onir, would divorce her pronto. She would have stayed put and fallen in line.

Lastly, I am tired of this oft repeated argument that Onir married her knowing that she loved another, and so he should lump whatever she dishes out to him. From letting him sleep on the floor to running off to meet her ex at the drop of a hat, and secretly, for she never tells Onir about it. If he had hired a detective and handed over the photos to Archana and Manav, or to a divorce court, ArVi would have been in a nice soup.

You have covered this angle well, but mildly. True, theirs was a marriage of convenience. One of very great convenience for her - as an unwed single mother in Kolkatta, her life, especially in that stratum of society, would have been hell. Not for him. I cannot think of anything that he has gained from it. Plus he has been destroyed professionally for foolishly indulging her every whim, in disregard of both ethics and commonsense. But she is barely concerned about that, and she has practically blanked it out by now: witness her careful omission of this aspect in her recital the other day to Gauri.

In fact, she never even thinks that she owes this paragon of a husband anything; and at the first sign of trouble, she is instantly ready to believe the worst, and does not lift a finger to try and check things for herself.

The truth is that Onir is doing himself a great favour in disentangling himself from this Tar Baby, though he might not see it as such. If his luck holds, he will get clean away. But if, as I suspect, it does not and his secret is outed, then the Tar Baby will be back with a vengeance, and poor Onir's goose will be cooked to a crisp!😉

Shyamala Aunty