Originally posted by: Kalapi
Pari, I do not know when "evilness" grows in or develops in a person. When does a person becomes evil, what forces him/her? See the men who raped the women maynot have been evil to being with (that is been evil to everyone from childhood). But an act they committed transformed them into an evil person. So, the rape is condemned... the act as well as the perpetuators. And that one act might be enough or a series of crime that brings those crime to the forefront. When a person goes against the very nature of his profession, he does turn evil ...for he is not acting ethically. The first of Onir crime did start with the report ...we do not know how much was his involvement, but definitely he influenced it to happen. We might say, this is small, doesn't really affect anyone so ignore. But baby swapping is a huge offense ...we say he is lallu in love, but sadly a court of law doesn't accept that excuse. Moreover, in a court of law will find it hard to prove that Purvi was the mastermind behind the act... so, could be innocent and dealt leniently. No, I don't think being lallu will be acceptable in a Court nor a reason to overlook his crime. His crime becomes compounded simply for he is a doctor who is and should be trusted by patients and of course by doctor/patient confidentiality. Being LAllu isn't an adequate reason for him to get any cookie point. In USA, he will be simply banned, and no Court will consider his other good works ... this is so strict here.
Yes, I read the promo. I guess the CVs are trying so hard to prove Purvi as the mahaan queen. Is the stale Arjun Purvi union on the card? I am so eager to see, if stale shirt ka button can get high TRPS after so much dirty water has flown under the bridge. And even funnier, I find that the demand of the golden couple union is as strong, after of course a slap that Arjun gives to Purvi😆, what about that Ovi is the legal wife and Arjun and Ovi did conceive a child together...that makes no difference ...which world do I live in😕
Kalapi, that is a good point that you have brought up! Your question does make one think, that when does someone become evil ? I absolutely resonate with your analogy for the rape crime as well. Although in the delhi rape case, the main accused was known to be a creep and stalker by his chawl people so one knows his previous mentality, but in many other cases, a perfectly normal person does something unbelievable criminal and you wonder what happened and the psyche of such a person is forever questioned. Like in the case of Sanjay Dutt or Salman Khan for example, both touted as the most loving and affable stars by their own fraternity, with a lot of good will from the charity that they do and all the humanitarian work too, but it does not absolve them at all of their past actions. For one, domestic violence and killing people and for the other a big hand in terrorism against his own country and countrymen. You really brought up a good question. Would we call both evil, keeping in mind what they are outside of their criminal space? Sallu is known to be a super loving guy and does a lot of humanitarian work and Sanju baba is known to be the most bankable friend and helping hand to anyone in the industry. But, can we keep that separate from their criminal acts? I guess not and the courts like you said, do not keep personalities, or charity or character testimonials as leeway for crime. But then would we call them criminals with evil intent? Or just normal human beings who made bad decisions? Sallu rode over people in a drunken state, which I highly condemn and hold him in very bad light for, but I don;t know if ever INTENDED to kill people. I could be wrong, but I don't know if he ever did this out of "hey, I wanna kill these people so bad, let's roll over them today". He should serve time, and should be stripped of driving forever I believe and all of murder charges should be placed, but I still wonder of the simple "intent" clause. Sanjay, after reading the Tehelka article about the case, he definitely had all the intent to kill people when he made comments at the time of being caught and being asked his intention by his father, so he, being a misguided teenager and brainwashed civilian, is no excuse. he had all intent to kill. I don't know about now, but yes at that time it made him a very evil person and that is why I am happy at the verdict today. The court would not give a dime for either Sallu's goodness, Sanju's testimonials or Onir's previous charity work for his needy patients. All three should be tried and convicted of their crimes.
For Onir, I don't know if I see him as evil yet. I mean, he doesn't seem like he intended to swap babies with the intention of taking away ArOVI;s rights to mourn their dead baby, or to take revenge on Arjun because he is Purvi;s ex ( although it would be interesting if this is the hook by which they make Onir negative in some kind of FB :P) nor with the intention of not wanting to raise his wife's love child so simply passing the baby off or just for thrills doing this baby swap. His intention was simply in believing that Ovi would be better off with a baby than without one, keeping in mind her mental haalat. Now, ofcourse, I have always maintained that whatever the intentions, when you screw up someone's life by being so arrogant as to think that you can make decisions for their life and do such big kaands, your intention goes right out the window and you are simply held for doing wrong and causing pain to people. I definitely do not care ofr his intention, whether it was Ovi's bhalaai or whether it was pleasing the femme fatale of his life. The outcome of the intention is what matters and that was disastrous and caused the indifferent burial of a child without parent's knowledge, passing off love child to someone else and playing the trust of your patients and much more your own family. I hold him accountable a lot more than Purvi, because she in my mind is of no character, but he had one, a very strong one and he should have played apt on that. So medical license should be stripped off because every one needs to pay for their wrong doings, and such a medical offense this is. A good guy doing the wrong thing is also always punished, no matter his past record, so Onir is no different in my eyes. So maybe in a way you are right, that Onir wasn't evil, but maybe after this criminal act, has gotten there. I don't know what I feel about it, to be honest. It is such a subjective way to look at things in my head.
Evil, I have always equated with the likes of Charles Manson, Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Osama and the kind of people who derive immense pleasure in the suffering of others. IT is hard to explain, but people actions are simply out of the need to pain other people, to see their sorrow and gain pleasure from it, people with no "goodness" in them, but just a warped sadistic pleasure. you can argue that Onir sees his crime as deriving pleasure in knowing that Arjun-Ovi are raising the child and his pleasure at having escaped Mittal's allegations. I don't know, maybe you are right in justifying him as criminal. And I am being biased simply keeping his personality and his past good deeds in mind, so I may not be able to argue. But in my mind, evil does not conjure up with Savita, or Purvi even. Savita is wrong on many counts as you had pointed out, but I don't know if her actions stemmed out of sadistic pleasure or Purvi even, she is my most hated character on the show and I cannot ever justify her wrong doings, but I don't know if she gets sadistic pleasure out of hurting all the people she has hurt. She feels good thinking she has helped these people out. I don;t know, I am so confused suddenly about evil, you have put me in thinking mode :)
Want to know everyone's thoughts on evil! Thanks Kalapi for putting this forward. :) The thread is quiet so this gives something to think and talk about !
Edited by pari87 - 12 years ago
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