Arjun is getting sidestepped - Page 6

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Pari, see this is what I feel about the fanbase. Btw, my POV only and I could be wrong.

The fanbase that RD command of the under 25 is much more outside India than within India. And that might be (?) substantial. But the fanbase within India, in my view is questionable - how large it is? Under 25 hardly sit all evening in front of TV, the remote of which is controlled by the mature women viewership. He also competes with many many others in the country. Whereas out of India, members are from all over the world and even then it might not even be in the 1000s. That is statistically a very insignificant number. Compare that to the under 25 viewership in India, it probably doesn't even matter. Ekta, being smart women knows all about the breakdown in the TRPs and the population that are her viewers. Yet, they dangle the carrot, just as Zee did in its valentine episodes; no one wants to disrupt a base that is already established - cause, hard to predict the under 25 fanbase strenght in India.

See, even the TRP didn't change much even after addition of the newer cities. Simply because the TRP calculation must be an algorithm, that neutralizes the 'n' effectively, probably only the margin of error is being reduced with the increase of 'n, nothing else now, cause the heydays of PR is over, as PR is matured in age with nothing adding really to its novelty. The TRP we are getting are of audience who are watching it more from habit than anything else. Something different does trend to pull in some new audience - but sustaining that has become difficult with newer shows everyday, but still, according to TRPs, it is still minimal... Onir track was just that. They showed a different background and Onir added a novelty factor to it. But, now that is also bygone. I personally don't think a forum where majority members are out of India, can drive a story. If TRP was connected to forum activity, we could equally see more activity in forum like DKDM, which I believe still command a decent TRP.

That is why I sometimes want to see Arjun and Purvi union, for I want see if TRP is affected. I don't really think it will. So Ekta will continue this way and if Arvi units, it will be the very last show, when to the business - it becomes meaningless...

Originally posted by: ..aastha..

I know only 1 thing that young viewers r crazy for rithvik. I was big fan of rithvik's first show PKYEK bt never liked his character as he was playing a negative role but still i remember even there he impressed the audience so well that people started praising a negative character.

No doubt onir can play a good role bt he needs another show, I dont think audience would like to accept him a lead where actor like rithvik is present.

How much arjun's character has been butchered or how much onir is sanskari is another thing. Leaving all craps aside like how much onir supporting a pregnant woman without any reason and arjun nt trying to get over with his first love coz Thats the writter who planned all craps. That doesnt mean audience cant accept RD as lead. Make a fair poll and see the result. I m damn sure arjun will win that poll.

And who said only sanskari men r known as the lead.? In indian television history sanskar should be there in women only its nt important to have good sanskar in men. There is a show Madhubala where lead is more worst than villain. Still audience want him as lead coz he is hot and have all qualities of lead.

if i talk about qualities of lead i guess RD is more handsome and charming.

Originally posted by: pari87

Kalapi,bang on post! Especally the statistics behind counting TRP's and the actual fanbase estimates. You have really almost nailed the situation. I just wanted to add a few more points on the same note.

While I see that the fanbase for Arjun/Rithvik might be fairly low in number especially in India. Like you said forum public or international fanbase is hardly included when making decisions about tracks. However, most kids watch the shows that their mothers watch. IT's like you said, the remote is mostly in control of the women for indian shows and teenagers usually follow the show simply out of being at home at that time and a particular show going on TV and mom watching it. This was how even I started watching PR or BV or even DKDM. Now mature audience watches show for the drama, the middle-class background portrayed or the characters and story. They do not form a fanbase of an actor, they only form the TRP public. Now teenagers, youngsters and rest come under fanbase for an actor/actress. See you and I like OVi/Shruti as an actress or character but we aren't her fans who will write to her or tweet to her or anything. She is on screen for us and we like to watch her. Fanbase stems from the young people who are crazy about a particular actor/actress and watch the show for THAT reason alone.

SSR had a very large young fanbase because he is a good lookin guy, but he also had a large mature audience rooting for him, because of his character Manav. He brought in TRP's and fanbase both. Wehn he left, they brought in RD, who is pretty good looking and his character was strong in the beginning. He created his own fanbase post leap.

I will take RD's example because we were talking about him earlier. He was part of another youth based EK show. He came onto PR, but went on to JDJ which was a much wider platform of audience. A ton of people started watching PR because of liking him on JDJ. This is again mostly younger generation fans. Now he is a popular actor for Zee right now and even for EK. Thanks to his popularity he is now even hosting the new show on Zee. JDJ has given him a certain fanbase and he has brought a small percentage of it with him to PR. You see why Zee and EK are riding on his popularity for fanbase? They are simply using him for garnering wider audience for a very old show with a declining fan base. That is why they cater to ARVI fans and keep him as the lead even after butchering his character. All the V-day dancing episodes are solely based on this. How many regular TRP audience glue in on a weekend to watch V-day dancing by actors? Well, not many. WE are here abroad so we watch at our convenience. But on a saturday night at 8, most women ( not girls) in india won't give a fig to watch a couple of young actor actresses dance on Bolly songs on TV. Right? So these specials with ARVI dancing and/dreaming is all to satisfy the small percentage of "fanbase" that actually glues in to watch these specials, for their fav actor/actress.

PR like you said is a habit now because of the 3 year period, for most of their audience who has been watching it since the beginning. Before the leap, they had exploited every adversity that could hit Manav-Archana who were the hihglight of the show for all their TRP public. They ran out of moreadversities and SSR was quitting too. They knew they would lose TRP's. To keep the show going, they introdcued kids and new actor/actresses like you mentioned the Onir novelty. Same way. Now, this keeps the TRP audience happy. They like new twists, more plots, more characters and more drama. SSR quit but it did not affect TRP's in a big way because TRP audience is not fanabase. They stuck to watching PR for new plots ad new story. So you are absolutely right when you say that ARVI re-union might not garner that many TRP;s after all, as most people on this forum think. TRP's are usually generated by dramatic twists and plots and entry of new characters not happy endings. If they re-unite ARVI, for one day maybe the TRP's will go high because it will be a twist, but the actual TRP audience does not want to sit and watch ARVI romancing in the rain all day. When Ankit quits too, they might loser her loyal fanbase audience, but then they are now focussing on pulling Asha NEgi's fanbase to compensate. That is why the redeeming of her character instead of opening her truth files and getting her bashed. TRP;s will not be crazily affected with her quitting either, only some section of audience will stop watching. THey will pull that from Asha and Rithvik now.

Now about forum and international audience. They mean nothing for TRP's agreed. But, Zee makes a ton of money out of overseas concerts that they do with popular actors. It's a privatised thing where agencies want to host these guys and ZEe/ Sony/Star ( maybe even BT or any other production house if they have that actor exclusively) get huge commissions for sending in their popular faces. These shows cater to fanbase and no one else. These are also mainly youngsters. People like you and me would not go and pay for a concert to watch TV actors dance on stage. Right? So Zee and EK have not only to keep the TRP audience happy ( regular Indian audience of ladies 35 or 40+) but also fan bases of certain actors and actresses to earn from their popularity in india and overseas.

This is why carrot will always be dangling, but Drama will be continued with random twists and turns and newer characters being added. BT has a ton of more actors, but for ZEE these two are one of the most popular after Gurmeet and Kratika Sengar. (after Anki leaves obv) This is why RD and Asha will remain in the lead race despite the character assassination. Their characters will be redeemed from time to time in cases of crisis of pulling on audience. But CV's cleverly will not re-unite them so soon and not by walking over their spouses because that will lose their TRP audience.

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thanks for enlightening me otherwise until now i was questioning myself after so many tweets fb fan pages why aren't cvs actually i too tweeted to zee, showing arvi reunion. well i am 19 .i started watching pr just out of curiosity bcoz my friend always used to talk about arman but it was already 18 year leap when i started i was hooked to the show bcoz of arvi but i became a fan of rd after watching jalak.i know when they show a lot romance the household ladies reaction bcoz of my maasi well lucky me bcoz my mother never watches serials as she a very busy women otherwise if my mother would watch pr she would express the same views as those house wifes for sure and i would surely be sad .so i can't say anything about their views .

But even after everything i still hope in near future what may happen i hope to see arjun purvi reunite 🥱

As i say it once an arvian always an arvian.

Edited by naomihyuga - 12 years ago

Originally posted by: TALIRAlinda

onir can be a lead and may be onir already lead in this shows , but ekta dint declare it as sudden lead appearance is not normal and also public acceptance is too much problem . so i guess cvs made onir character too good to be true for this acceptance reason and may be cvs already decided it , as seems hospital problem and purvi problem is future story so i guess future already fixed .may be cvs already decided lead as onir purvi .

Originally posted by: pari87

Pari, I agree with you on a lot of things…very well said

See even I don't know if SSR/AL was/is the sole reason for TRP. The highest TRP that PR enjoyed in the days of Shravani, although the forum just hated the track. But, the track was very interesting, some reasons being many could see the POV of Shravani and felt for her, cause of Sachin untimely accident. Many felt for Archana, and also for Manav. Besides, a BIL divorcing a wife to marry someone for duty, takes the imagination away from Indian who still glorify sacrifices. Sacrifices for the motherland, for the greater good is highly romanticize. Onir is interesting cause he represents that – did you hear how Indian talks about reverse brain drain and working for less pay but higher cause. But, I divert.

Even when SSR left, he really didn't take away the TRP. There was high drama going on that held the viewers, many wanted to see if the couple could survive a court case. Also, if his departure eroded away a little fanbase, that probably was compensated by HT new fanbase, in India. I think preleap TRP was more that 3.5 and that maintained. After leap, RD, couldn't have that huge a fanbase to affect TRP to begin with. It is with his going into JDJ and the likes, that ppl started recognizing. Read somewhere in the forum, that when RD went for a performance in Kol during Durga puja, someone ask something about his love for Ovi (see the audience meant Purvi here). It shows , how much he or the show was popular in Kol. My gut feeling Ekta showed Kol, after leap to rectify just that – it is like spreading the business. If fandom was so great that it could drive a actor most actors like GC/RK and even SSR could land up hero roles in a bolly film. Even SRK, had about 20yrs in the industry to command a fanbase, even with giving 2 hits when he started his career. In the median business, it makes a huge difference the screen space an actor constantly get and doing a variety of shows to get a decent recognition. That is why actors are constantly needed to be seen, otherwise people forget them faster.

Absolutely, Zee is making money on RD and showcasing him with AN. But, that I think is happening much more outside India, then within. Remember, the Purvi/RD/Ovi thingy for Rishta – I hardly think Zee can openly showcase a EMA – no, they never will go against the accepted norm according to India and create ripple, why would they – they have a business to run and pay the bills. Besides, the other thing that Ekta constant does, they show Arjun pinning and not Purvi – See, to them Purvi already fell from a sanskaari girl, they don't want to do anything else to the character – but make Arjun , the lucha laffanga – you know why, again an Indian sentiment. That is why I say, even if Arjun come and ask Purvi to marry, I will be surprised if Purvi accept – not now, with a character like Onir. She will stay with Onir, and Arjun will be remained stranded.

Originally posted by: naomihyuga

If you are interested there was an interesting discussion in Kool's thread (the last few pg) abt fb and Tweeter. A member said less that 0.2 % Indians are on tweeter - see why this makes no difference -