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Posted: 12 years ago
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Lovely posts, Janhvi and Shyamala...

And, I agree completely with everything below and especially the parts in bold...😆.



Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Shyamala, you are biased - in my favor - so will gladly take your kind words of praise, knowing it is colored by your fondness😉

Not only Byron, teachers made us go back and remove redundancies and repetitions! I dashed off the missive last night without proof-reading and was therefore dismayed this morning to see that I had used the word "realized" umpteen times, this before I even read your response! So, you see the impact those teachers have on us, years into the future!!

I liked Onir very much in yesterday's scene on the street. His "how could I not be with you?" was so simple and to the point. No nakras, no bakwas, no "I will get you the moon and stars" but a straight forward response from the heart. He grows on me 😉

I did not like Arjun questioning Onir either! What was that all about? Purvi is Onir's responsibility and Arjun needs to let go. Just as Purvi has not realized (there is that dratted word again), sorry, has not understood, that her nose does not belong in Arjun's and Ovi's marriage, Arjun needs to not meddle in Onir's and Purvi's affairs. Why this sudden overwhelming concern? He did not dash off after her when she upped and left town, granted he did not know where she had absconded to but he made no effort to trace her. He needs to chill. Yes, for old times sake, he still cares for her, is concerned, we get that but the CVs need to smoothen this with a little more finesse, it grates currently. Even if they plan on uniting them ultimately.

Wondered too about the lady's dead son, do you think it is an organ donation racket?? I suspected Mittal behind it as well, now Punni will have an even sharper axe to grind against Purvi and Onir if the latter brings about the downfall of Punni's glittering house of cards😕

😆 on booking Onir for your agla janam, I would too but have a pretty close replica at home, not quite as boring and repetitious so will ask for that model instead out of a sense of allegiance!! Plus, a known devil is better than an unknown angel - risk aversion - even if it be for all saath janams! 😃


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See, Janhvi, wasn't I spot on with the organ harvesting racket in the 'reputed hospital' and also in predicting the fallout for Onir? I seemed to have slipped only in including Mittal in the list of co-conspirators, for he seems to be on the straight and narrow. I say 'seems' for I have a sneaking feeling he is shamming it, but let us see. The Dean's revenge speech was so over the top it set my teeth on edge, but then Ekta's CVs have no use for moderation, or even for a touch of realism, as I see you have been lamenting earlier.

It is impressive, the fluency with which Purvi utters her fibs, to use a milder term. She is not at all embarrassed in telling Arjun that she does not want him and Ovi to disturb her privacy with her husband, and then she repeats the same thing to Onir with an absolutely satisfied expression, while the poor chap looks at her with a most bemused look on his face. The girl is really something else again!

I am very pleased that you have an Onir 2.0 at home. I hope he realises that he is on to a very good thing as well!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1


Dear Shyamala, you are biased - in my favor - so will gladly take your kind words of praise, knowing it is colored by your fondness😉

Not only Byron, teachers made us go back and remove redundancies and repetitions! I dashed off the missive last night without proof-reading and was therefore dismayed this morning to see that I had used the word "realized" umpteen times, this before I even read your response! So, you see the impact those teachers have on us, years into the future!!

I liked Onir very much in yesterday's scene on the street. His "how could I not be with you?" was so simple and to the point. No nakras, no bakwas, no "I will get you the moon and stars" but a straight forward response from the heart. He grows on me 😉

I did not like Arjun questioning Onir either! What was that all about? Purvi is Onir's responsibility and Arjun needs to let go. Just as Purvi has not realized (there is that dratted word again), sorry, has not understood, that her nose does not belong in Arjun's and Ovi's marriage, Arjun needs to not meddle in Onir's and Purvi's affairs. Why this sudden overwhelming concern? He did not dash off after her when she upped and left town, granted he did not know where she had absconded to but he made no effort to trace her. He needs to chill. Yes, for old times sake, he still cares for her, is concerned, we get that but the CVs need to smoothen this with a little more finesse, it grates currently. Even if they plan on uniting them ultimately.

Wondered too about the lady's dead son, do you think it is an organ donation racket?? I suspected Mittal behind it as well, now Punni will have an even sharper axe to grind against Purvi and Onir if the latter brings about the downfall of Punni's glittering house of cards😕

😆 on booking Onir for your agla janam, I would too but have a pretty close replica at home, not quite as boring and repetitious so will ask for that model instead out of a sense of allegiance!! Plus, a known devil is better than an unknown angel - risk aversion - even if it be for all saath janams! 😃




Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Janhvi,

No prizes for guessing why no one has as yet commented on this post. No one can contradict anything that you have said above, it is all a matter of fact. Plus your interpretations follow so seamlessly from these facts that they are less deductions than self-evident truths.

So let me, with my head ruling my heart and not the other way around, as is the norm around here, be the first one to tell you how much I like it. As always with you, it is not just what you say, it is how you say it, with a subterranean edge of sharp satire. Its edge is at times so fine that the uninitiated might mistake it for a straight comment and take it at face value. But I know my mischievous Janhvi, and will not be so taken in!

I simply loved the swipe you have taken at Onir. Lord Byron apparently detested repetition of any word, but I think at times this has its uses, as with your 'ideal' here. Onir does get on one's nerves occasionally with his own brand of mahaanta, but when he assures Purvi yesterday that he will always be there for here, the actor is able to show us his heart in his eyes, and to make it entirely believable. He lacks the overt glamour of Arjun, but he makes a superb, if much younger and far more articulate version of Colonel Brandon from Sense and Sensibility, as I think I noted once earlier.

Purvi is now at the stage of overwhelming gratitude toward him that brimmeth over, and little wonder. I do not know where they make such men; I would like to book one for my next janam ! I thought otherwise earlier, but now I feel she will never leave him unless he dies.

Arjun is getting stranger by the day. He questioning Onir about the delay in their getting back and not telephoning was impertinent and ridiculous, to say the least. Any normal husband would have told him, if politely, to mind his own business, and to stop staring longingly at his wife. They used to have these mahaan tyaag sequences constantly in the old films, but those characters never hung around and mooned about their lost loves as he does nowadays. It is hardly an edifying sight.

Oh, what a fall, my poor Janhvi, as you and I and all of us look on helplessly! And me having founded the Protect Arjun Project once upon a time, mainly to keep the likes of you from taking a hatchet to him. Luckily there is no statue here to spout blood, as Antony informs the inflamed Roman populace in Julius Caesar. (Sorry, folks, it is a positive disease, this urge to drag in literary allusions when writing to Janhvi, it is really her fault!)

Well, a lot of things seem to be in a state of flux - is Archana leaving or not? Is the quartet going to have an accident with a baby donation to follow? Will the death of the chawl boy lead to Onir unearthing an organ donation racket at the KV hospital, and thus having the hospital owner, with Mittal backing him, gunning for him? I am all set for going with the flow, with a faint lingering hope, that is getting ever fainter, that this benighted serial just might be wound up some time soon. Like by the end of 2013?😉

Shyamala



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

After reading about the new track with Purvi all set to sacrifice yet again by giving up her baby to Ovi, I realized no need to fret, this is the story of mahaan love only with a twisted take on the psyches of the characters who could all have been so real and appealing if the CVs had so desired! Instead, we get caricatures.

Purvi - a girl with hang-ups. She is adopted, feels unworthy of love and being loved, makes up for it by being aggressive at work and succeeding but has this innate desire to prove to the world that she is indeed worthy of being cared for by a mother like her Aai. Arjun comes along, supposedly falls head over heels in love with her and she cannot believe her reality. He is to be betrothed to Ovi, her mother's natural daughter, the girl who has it all in Purvi's eyes (just by the merit of being Archana's natural born) and he has chosen her, Purvi? The deal is proposed by Ovi and Purvi perhaps still not believing she is worthy of being loved over Ovi by Arjun, proposes, nay forces, Arjun to marry her "sister". Maybe she has a faint hope that if he truly thinks her, Purvi, deserving especially after the night at the hut, he will rant and rave but decline to marry Ovi. He goes ahead and marries Ovi, proving (in Purvi's mind at least) that when push came to shove, she really was not good enough. Later matters get to a head when Ovi accuses her of trying to have an affair with her husband. Purvi is left with no choice but to tell Arjun to move on "if he truly loved her" (a last ditch attempt to convince herself that he does in fact really love her), not realizing (or perhaps realizing) that a man truly in love would never be able to move on, at least not that quickly. She is by now so consumed by her own mahaanta that she blames Arjun's & Ovi's unhappiness on her own mahaan self. She has to make amends (not comprehending that Arjun and Ovi are adults and now that they are married, they do not need her interference, sorry, her help, to right their marriage ' Purvi is not their keeper) so she comes rushing to Mumbai to make Onir treat her "sister" who has suddenly grown in stature, not only as Aai's natural born but as Arjun's wife and soon to be mother of her (Purvi's) baby's sibling.

Arjun - the dream of a guy, confident, successful, meets his match in this chit of a girl, falls in love with this novelty, a treat, a delight from mera desh who reminds him of his mom. He will do anything for her, literally anything. He is so much in love that he cannot deny her a thing in the world, even if it is to marry her sister and get her sister pregnant. Come now, he cannot be expected to forget his first love, that is why he is hurt when Onir touches Purvi, he still makes eye contact with Purvi, is concerned about her well-being, once a besotted lover, always a besotted lover. So what if he cares so much for his wife and his own sanity that he is prepared to take his ex-love's baby at her bidding? If Purvi tells him to, he cannot refuse, bechara, he not only gave up his heart to her but his brains as well. And the baby is hers, a great constant reminder of the great love he hath for this girl. He will be forever the benighted lover, only managing to live the semblance of a normal life, happy only because Purvi has dictated him to live the life of a happily married man with wife and child.

Ovi - nothing new about her ever, it is all about her. She wants Arjun, she has Arjun; she wants Purvi out, Purvi leaves Mumbai; she wants Onir in Mumbai to treat her (remember her conversation with Arjun?), Onir comes to Mumbai; she loses baby and Purvi will fall all over herself to hand Ovi hers! Great life to have, to be envied indeed!

Onir - like him and all but he keeps mouthing the same dialogue about what a godh barai means to a pregnant woman (3 times in one epi? really?), being a gyn does not make one an expert on women and their feelings. He is the ideal husband, so in love with his ideal wife and their ideal relationship that he will go to any lengths to preserve their ideal marriage. My sympathies to the poor guy.

Disclaimer : This is the devil's advocate version of the current "lead" characters of the show as Archana has allegedly left (maybe not!) the show and Manav has been made a cameo. No need to dwell on the pavitra rishta pair anymore, thanks to the CVs, all we have left is the new age version of mahaan pyaar, tyagis all around, Purvi sacrificing, Arjun sacrificing, Onir sacrificing and Ovi accepting all their sacrifices like a Goddess (or a child pacified? She looked so like a kid having fun being the center of attention at the godh barai). Good going.



OMG Janhvi, I was LMHO by the time I finished reading!
What an awesomely sarcastic post and how intelligently written! LOVED IT!

Loved loved and loved each and every word that you wrote on Purvi! The past, present and the future!
Agree to every word. I don't know what to say to her "sacrifices", don't think there is an appropriate adjective for that. Completely unreal! And the way these days she is lying left-right-center, it seems like she is utilizing all the quotas of it for 7 lives!

Arjun, the successful businessman and who had the brains to peruse this middle-class chawl-brought-up girl, don't know what he did with his brains, when he could not stand-up and say 'No, I cannot marry someone whom I do not like, even if that means I have to prove my love.' What do u say of that?! Completely unreal. Just after a few hours of proclaiming love for Purvi in front of the whole family, he is capable of making babies with his wife! And still has that loving looks for Purvi?! He should stop trying to keep afloat with his legs on two boats simultaneously.

I did try to give a fair chance to Onir, bcos honestly he isn't the reason why ArVi broke or the reason why ArVi aren't reunited. The ire on him by viewers, to me, was unfair. But then, this all-rounder character with no background, as if fallen directly from heaven, looks completely unreal too.

Now what do I see, Purvi is clinging on to Onir, asking him to be with her forever! And Onir is so very happy to just hear that. But what kind of a relationship is this when the husband is ready to do anything and the wife just utilizes him all the time. I do not see any gratitude from her towards him. Less said better on their sleeping arrangements.

Arjun, Purvi, Onir, all grate my nevers with their stupidities of late and I'm surprised Ovi is the only one of them all, shown all-so-humble, all-so-sweet, all-so-normal ...Is it real? LOL!

You are so right, Ovi is so lucky, she just has to sit there and not do a thing, everything so easily falls in her lap.

I dislike the new track, but I know it's coming to us at a lightening speed. I would like to know if Ovi knows that Purvi is giving her baby or does she live under the impression that the baby is hers?

Least interested in Onir's detective work. *Headache*

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Janhvi,

No prizes for guessing why no one has as yet commented on this post. No one can contradict anything that you have said above, it is all a matter of fact. Plus your interpretations follow so seamlessly from these facts that they are less deductions than self-evident truths.

So let me, with my head ruling my heart and not the other way around, as is the norm around here, be the first one to tell you how much I like it. As always with you, it is not just what you say, it is how you say it, with a subterranean edge of sharp satire. Its edge is at times so fine that the uninitiated might mistake it for a straight comment and take it at face value. But I know my mischievous Janhvi, and will not be so taken in!

I simply loved the swipe you have taken at Onir. Lord Byron apparently detested repetition of any word, but I think at times this has its uses, as with your 'ideal' here. Onir does get on one's nerves occasionally with his own brand of mahaanta, but when he assures Purvi yesterday that he will always be there for here, the actor is able to show us his heart in his eyes, and to make it entirely believable. He lacks the overt glamour of Arjun, but he makes a superb, if much younger and far more articulate version of Colonel Brandon from Sense and Sensibility, as I think I noted once earlier.

Purvi is now at the stage of overwhelming gratitude toward him that brimmeth over, and little wonder. I do not know where they make such men; I would like to book one for my next janam ! I thought otherwise earlier, but now I feel she will never leave him unless he dies.

Arjun is getting stranger by the day. He questioning Onir about the delay in their getting back and not telephoning was impertinent and ridiculous, to say the least. Any normal husband would have told him, if politely, to mind his own business, and to stop staring longingly at his wife. They used to have these mahaan tyaag sequences constantly in the old films, but those characters never hung around and mooned about their lost loves as he does nowadays. It is hardly an edifying sight.

Oh, what a fall, my poor Janhvi, as you and I and all of us look on helplessly! And me having founded the Protect Arjun Project once upon a time, mainly to keep the likes of you from taking a hatchet to him. Luckily there is no statue here to spout blood, as Antony informs the inflamed Roman populace in Julius Caesar. (Sorry, folks, it is a positive disease, this urge to drag in literary allusions when writing to Janhvi, it is really her fault!)

Well, a lot of things seem to be in a state of flux - is Archana leaving or not? Is the quartet going to have an accident with a baby donation to follow? Will the death of the chawl boy lead to Onir unearthing an organ donation racket at the KV hospital, and thus having the hospital owner, with Mittal backing him, gunning for him? I am all set for going with the flow, with a faint lingering hope, that is getting ever fainter, that this benighted serial just might be wound up some time soon. Like by the end of 2013?😉

Shyamala












Dear Shyamala,

@bold:
What an observation and a perfect analysis in comparison to the jilted lovers from old movies.
I too thought why is he asking, and a bit confused, but ur explanation puts it in perfect sense. He had no right and was none of his business.
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

I liked Onir very much in yesterday's scene on the street. His "how could I not be with you?" was so simple and to the point. No nakras, no bakwas, no "I will get you the moon and stars" but a straight forward response from the heart. He grows on me 😉



Agree! That scene was good and very natural and real.
But when I see him all with no backbone at times and with him to be an all-rounder in every field, I'm just turned off!
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@blue. That, my dear bee, is prem a la Balaji TV. This kind takes the stuffing out of perfectly normal men, and turns them into straw men for a Mishti to manipulate as she wishes.

This said, I still have a soft corner for the likes of Onir Dutt and Rajat Kapur. They might be weak and besotted in love, but at least they are genuinely good people and do not try to manipulate anyone.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5


Agree! That scene was good and very natural and real.
But when I see him all with no backbone at times and with him to be an all-rounder in every field, I'm just turned off!


Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

I liked Onir very much in yesterday's scene on the street. His "how could I not be with you?" was so simple and to the point. No nakras, no bakwas, no "I will get you the moon and stars" but a straight forward response from the heart. He grows on me 😉



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Originally posted by: sashashyam

@blue. That, my dear bee, is prem a la Balaji TV. This kind takes the stuffing out of perfectly normal men, and turns them into straw men for a Mishti to manipulate as she wishes.

This said, I still have a soft corner for the likes of Onir Dutt and Rajat Kapur. They might be weak and besotted in love, but at least they are genuinely good people and do not try to manipulate anyone.

Shyamala





Dear Shyamala,
I hardly watched a few episodes of BALH in its early days.
I wish I had seen Rajat, but purely from my image of him, I think he was much better written character than this Onir Dutt. Am I right?

No doubt Onir has been shown to be good-at-heart, selfless, non-manipulative person, but when I see things like him fabricating Medical Reports even if that is to save his wife's skin, I'm shocked and cannot really trust him completely.

And poor guy how much has his meager bank balance gotten dented since he came to Mumbai?! Simply Unfair!
I lost count of the huge expenses he has recently been uptaking!


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Hi Jhanvi .
I don't watch the show regularly bu tI watched it today as I was doing the update ...It's a horrible story line and it is going to get worse when they will show Purvi giving up her baby . Even Archana was spared when she took Soham back the last minute from Varsha's arms in the adoption lawyer's office ...
Why does Arjun keeps listening to Purvi ?
Even Manav totally refused to listen to Archana after he found out that Sachin wanted her to divorce her husband .He clearly said ' I will not let you sacrifise any more ". Right from the begining , Manav 's character has been very very firm about one thing ' I will not love anyone else but Archana ' .He has said this loud and clear to everyone ... To his mother , to Shravani ( the girl he was forced to marry , even to Archana , Archana's fiance Jaywant and more recently to Shravani's son ...No matter how much pressure was put on his , he stood firm on this stand ...
But Arjun doesn't even do that ..He does nothing actually .Just stays quiet and takes all the zulm that Purvi and Ovi pile on him ...
I don't like such spineless men ..Why is a talented boy like RD doing this role ???
It definitely looks like Onir is now the most importan tcharacter of PR ..In fact I think Purvi is second to him and then there is Ovi ...others hardly count ( specially Manav , Archana and Arjun ) .I like Onir .He is a very nice person but I hope he too does not becomes a puppet like Arjun ...
What Purvi is about to do ( giving her baby to Ovi without her knowledge ) is terribly wrong , immoral and even illegal ..There are no words to describe this despicable act ..The child protection agencies should be informed of this kind of an adoption where the mother who is about to adopt does not even know who she is going to be a mother of ...
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No, bee, he was not just very arrogant to start with, and abrasive, for he was very bitter about his love having jilted him for a rich man, but also shockingly crude at one point. Priya is unable to meet the deadline for paying the rent for the bookshop she has on a lease from him, and says she is trying hard to get it in a few days. Then he bumps into her in a very upmarket hotel, where Pihu, her little daughter, has been invited by her Golu Uncle (Ram Kapoor). Well, Rajat looks at Priya in this setting, that is not at all her thing, and actually asks her if this is how she plans to get the rent money ! It was plain awful. He realises that and apologises later, but it was hardly the sort of thing for which an apology would suffice. Later, of course, he falls in love with her, and becomes a changed man, not just towards her, but towards everyone.Of course he always loved and respected his Daijaan.

Now Onir would never have said anything like that ever. I like him very much and relate to him, and I do not feel that he is too good to be true, because I have known doctors like him. When I was Ambassador to the Philippines in the 1990s, their Minister for Health, Senator Juan Flavier, had been a doctor who had worked in the poorest areas of Manila and in the countryside all his life. He cared nothing for money or power, except as a means for helping the poor.

As for Onir, even if he is irritating at times with his brand of mahaanta, he is far better than anyone else in PR ever, and not just now. As for his doctoring the report, that is hardly a serious lapse, for it hurts no one, and saves his Mishti from a lot of humiliation. I think any husband would have done it. It is not as though he was defrauding anyone.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5

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Dear Shyamala,
I hardly watched a few episodes of BALH in its early days.
I wish I had seen Rajat, but purely from my image of him, I think he was much better written character than this Onir Dutt. Am I right?

No doubt Onir has been shown to be good-at-heart, selfless, non-manipulative person, but when I see things like him fabricating Medical Reports even if that is to save his wife's skin, I'm shocked and cannot really trust him completely.

And poor guy how much has his meager bank balance gotten dented since he came to Mumbai?! Simply Unfair!I lost count of the huge expenses he has recently been uptaking!


QUOTE=sashashyam]@blue. That, my dear bee, is prem a la Balaji TV. This kind takes the stuffing out of perfectly normal men, and turns them into straw men for a Mishti to manipulate as she wishes.

This said, I still have a soft corner for the likes of Onir Dutt and Rajat Kapur. They might be weak and besotted in love, but at least they are genuinely good people and do not try to manipulate anyone.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5


Agree! That scene was good and very natural and real.
But when I see him all with no backbone at times and with him to be an all-rounder in every field, I'm just turned off!


Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

I liked Onir very much in yesterday's scene on the street. His "how could I not be with you?" was so simple and to the point. No nakras, no bakwas, no "I will get you the moon and stars" but a straight forward response from the heart. He grows on me 😉






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Hi Naava, Shyamala ,nice to see you girls here 🤗 .
Not watching the show regularly but I am keeping in touch with the media updates of the future story line ...

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