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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#151

My dear Strega,

I am with you on most of what you have said here, especially on what you do NOT want to see happening. It would be awful to have to witness the bumping off of half of this quadrangle so that the remaining two corners, now diagonally opposite to each other, can be linked again. Onir is the only decent and consistently sensible person around now, and I do not want him to be either run over by a Kolkata tram or dumped by his Mishti.

As for lack of consistency, that is endemic to this show from the beginning. You are citing Arjun with the 2 girls and rightly so but Archana once did something FAR more serious. She barely missed getting Manav jailed for years on a trumped up charge of chawl demolition when she testified in court against her husband of many years, who was protesting is innocence. He escaped only because of the chawl accusers had a last minute attack of conscience. And now you see Manav telling Ovi that he suffered because HE had not trusted Archana. What about HER?

I also could not understand why the otherwise ever caring Arjun, at least as he is shown these days, looks so glum and unresponsive when Ovi sings that hauntingly lovely song at the stupid pass the pillow game. If you asked Rithwik, I am sure he would not know either!

I understand that this show is soon going to take another leap to 2050. Now this has a silver lining in it. By then, I am sure space travel, including to the Red Planet, would have started. Let us all get up a petition for the whole PR cast and crew to be shipped off to Mars. The unfortunate Martians may have something to say to this unwelcome visitation, but all of us earthbound viewers would be saved!!!😉

Shyamala

Shyamala,

@blue - I have a lot of issues with Ovi - I am pro-choice as well. But once she made the decision to have the baby, I find it UNFORGIVABLE that she has had scant regard for the child.

Arjun is a grown man. He has let a lot happen to him - but he had the power to stop it. Onir - another grown man - he continues to have a choice on how to react to his wife's actions. But this child is defenseless and I cannot condone how she is treating him/her.

I cannot find it in me to like her at all. She thinks of no one but her own feelings. And certainly not those of the man she claims to love.

@violet - The CVs have done an about turn on us. While Arjun appears to be genuinely trying right now, the episodes right after the leap were showing him pretending to care. And again, my argument that he is a grown man. He should have under no circumstances agreed to the marriage, But he has not been shown to be decisive on personal issues.

1/ He said no to Ovi in Canada - then agreed to get married to her

2. He fell in love with Purvi but dithered over telling Ovi. He could have told Manav or DK, but he let things continue. He could have sent her an email, text , whatever but he let things slide.

3. He let the engagement happen

4. He then let it continue for weeks and onlu confessed when Manav confronted him

5. Then of course, finally he agreed to Purvi's outrageous command.

I definitely do not want to see any of the following happening

1. Miscarriage - Only a woman who has had one knows how painful that is. I wish it on no one, even a fictional character.

2. No deaths - Ovi or Onir

3. An definitely NOT an Ovi-Onir pairing. That would double yucky for me. One more case of swapping between the sisters and completely unacceptable.

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Vishal

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Posted: 13 years ago

#152

Hmm..As we seen @ earlier episode..onir don't want to listen Purvi's story.the reason is he trusts purvi and loves her a lot..Moreover by seeing purvi's face we can't sketch out that she may love onir..!! Time when onir said to purvi that he want to marry her ,purvi was doubtful..!! And later she accepted..moteover I think onir us gynacologist..he can easily of course onir knows that he us mot father of purvi's kid.thats it..😳

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#153

Kalapi, my dear,

I am by now prepared to concede anything at all if it will keep you happy and relaxed (Arjun's tarakamantra for his wife!), for I don't want you to spend so much energy on these endless arguments when you must be fagged out, even if you think you are ok. So, let us call a halt to this and let you rest in peace!😉

Only one point, and that is the diplomat in me, always looking for the fine print! Arjun and Ovi were married in India under the Hindu Marriages Act. They cannot get a Canadian divorce. Of course Ovi could have got it easily on the grounds of non-fulfillment of conjugal obligations. Arjun could never have got one unless Ovi agreed to it.

Also, though I did not point it out so as not to nitpick about Kools' superb essay of the 'real life Aashana',as of now, Indian law governing divorces under any act does NOT provide for anything more that fairly limited alimony. NOT for half one spouse's property going to the other.

Lastly, since it that this show is soon going to take another leap to 2050. Now this has a silver lining in it which will make all these pros and cons redundant. As I have suggested to strega above, let us all get up a petition for the whole PR cast and crew to be shipped off to Mars. The unfortunate Martians may have something to say to this unwelcome visitation, but all of us earthbound viewers would be saved!!!😉

Take care, my dear girl, and get completely well soon. A tot of that toddy every now and then would still help. As for me, you could not give me any germs even if you were here, I have already had two bouts and must by now have complete immunity!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Shymala darling, I don't know it might just be me, but I don't know why a girl like Ovi should act the injured and the long suffering wife. Why, should she when it was clearly Arjun choice the second time around when he wanted a second chance to work on their marriage. Ovi, after that public declaration was ready for anything, that mirror was very reflective, in my opinion. She could have even been convinced for a divorce. But, it was Arjun at the behest of Purvi who requested a second chance very eloquently, conveniently and convincingly. Shouldn't the onus be now equally on Arjun or rather more on Arjun to work on his marriage, as now he decided to carry on his marriage, when he could have become the bad guy and gone for a divorce. He didn't have much to lose, right either way? So, why are we so ready to excuse him, first by saying, he was under too much stress so he got married. Now, what excuse are we giving to say, oh well, Arjun wanted a second for what - but Ovi didn't work on their marriage?? It is sad for any girl, let alone Ovi, under such circumstance, to sleep with her hubby and then to realize that the hubby only slept, because it was his ex's wish and command. No, now Ovi shouldn't act as the long suffering wife anymore. A 21^st century wife to me could be very vocal and demand her place in Arjun's life or walk out and go to Canada and get a divorce if I might add, possibly in a Canadian Court.
I agree, the parents are the dumbest, most useless in this regard. If I was Ovi's mom, I could have had a heart to heart convo with DK the very day, after the public declaration by Arjun of his love for his saali and his audacity to slap publicly my other daughter... here wrong or right doesn't matter anymore, Arjun slapping his wife for a saali - that is enough for me to take the issue up with DK, coz they are my daughters and their lives (and in this case, the reputation of the unmarried daughter is being tarnished by my damad) we are talking about. And if my damad slaps publicly his wife, I could wonder rightly what does he do to her in the privacy of their home - and wonder about the emotional turmoil she is suffering on his hand...yes, the parents here are in a wonderland of their own...they should just get a room and make up for the lost 18 yrs, so that it is out of their system and then can concentrate on their daughters (all 3 of them) and the mess they are creating for themselves...

Btw, am getting better, thanks darling 🤗virtually so as not to give you some of my germs with love 😆

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#154

Kalapi, my dear,

I am by now prepared to concede anything at all if it will keep you happy and relaxed (Arjun's tarakamantra for his wife!), for I don't want you to spend so much energy on these endless arguments when you must be fagged out, even if you think you are ok. So, let us call a halt to this and let you rest in peace!😉

So I will carefully refrain from voicing my opinion that when he slapped Ovi, Arjun was only trying to stop her hysterical fit. Of course it would have looked better if he had thrown a jug of water on her, which he could easily have grabbed from a nearby table, or a passing waiter. But the boy never had any sense in the first place, otherwise he would have steered clear of both these girls! 😉 So, I have NOT said the above! No, no, don't get angry with me, there is a good girl. I was only joking!

Only one point, and that is the diplomat in me, always looking for the fine print! Arjun and Ovi were married in India under the Hindu Marriages Act. They cannot get a Canadian divorce. Of course Ovi could have got it easily on the grounds of non-fulfillment of conjugal obligations. Arjun could never have got one unless Ovi agreed to it.

Also, though I did not point it out so as not to nitpick about Kools' superb essay of the 'real life Aashana',as of now, Indian law governing divorces under any act does NOT provide for anything more that fairly limited alimony. NOT for half one spouse's property going to the other.

Lastly, since it that this show is soon going to take another leap to 2050. Now this has a silver lining in it which will make all these pros and cons redundant. As I have suggested to strega above, let us all get up a petition for the whole PR cast and crew to be shipped off to Mars. The unfortunate Martians may have something to say to this unwelcome visitation, but all of us earthbound viewers would be saved!!!😉

Take care, my dear girl, and get completely well soon. A tot of that toddy every now and then would still help. As for me, you could not give me any germs even if you were here, I have already had two bouts and must by now have complete immunity!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Shymala darling, I don't know it might just be me, but I don't know why a girl like Ovi should act the injured and the long suffering wife. Why, should she when it was clearly Arjun choice the second time around when he wanted a second chance to work on their marriage. Ovi, after that public declaration was ready for anything, that mirror was very reflective, in my opinion. She could have even been convinced for a divorce. But, it was Arjun at the behest of Purvi who requested a second chance very eloquently, conveniently and convincingly. Shouldn't the onus be now equally on Arjun or rather more on Arjun to work on his marriage, as now he decided to carry on his marriage, when he could have become the bad guy and gone for a divorce. He didn't have much to lose, right either way? So, why are we so ready to excuse him, first by saying, he was under too much stress so he got married. Now, what excuse are we giving to say, oh well, Arjun wanted a second for what - but Ovi didn't work on their marriage?? It is sad for any girl, let alone Ovi, under such circumstance, to sleep with her hubby and then to realize that the hubby only slept, because it was his ex's wish and command. No, now Ovi shouldn't act as the long suffering wife anymore. A 21^st century wife to me could be very vocal and demand her place in Arjun's life or walk out and go to Canada and get a divorce if I might add, possibly in a Canadian Court.
I agree, the parents are the dumbest, most useless in this regard. If I was Ovi's mom, I could have had a heart to heart convo with DK the very day, after the public declaration by Arjun of his love for his saali and his audacity to slap publicly my other daughter... here wrong or right doesn't matter anymore, Arjun slapping his wife for a saali - that is enough for me to take the issue up with DK, coz they are my daughters and their lives (and in this case, the reputation of the unmarried daughter is being tarnished by my damad) we are talking about. And if my damad slaps publicly his wife, I could wonder rightly what does he do to her in the privacy of their home - and wonder about the emotional turmoil she is suffering on his hand...yes, the parents here are in a wonderland of their own...they should just get a room and make up for the lost 18 yrs, so that it is out of their system and then can concentrate on their daughters (all 3 of them) and the mess they are creating for themselves...

Btw, am getting better, thanks darling 🤗virtually so as not to give you some of my germs with love 😆

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

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Posted: 13 years ago

#155

Shymala darling, I had to make this last post in spite of myself😃, before I go to sleep land. I don't think any more marriages done in India, needs a divorce in India, or for that matter, marriage done in any country can be annulled in any other country. I can right now think of 2 real life examples – both were married in India (and btw, interestingly both were love marriages as well). And both settled in USA, and got a divorce in the USA. Not only so, in one of the divorces, the spouse who was living a separate life for awhile, got a divorce without letting the other spouse even know that she was divorcing him. In this case, the wife advertised in a local newspaper (Jewish newspaper to be exact, yes and these are Indian couples) that she was looking for him and then divorced him uncontested as he didn't response back to her in a timely fashion (although the truth is that the hubby could never have seen the advertisement because it was out of Chicago's local Jewish newspaper (he lived in the NE USA). That is why I said Ovi should move to Canada and establish her residency there first, which I hardly believe could be hard, as she could be a Canadian for living there 18 yrs and must have taken citizenship of that country and then apply for a divorce. And Canadian law, well does favor the child more than anyone and Arjun would be at a hard spot. Ovi could easily get him where she wants him to be 😃 – I have seen that too here in both cases. Btw, one of this real divorce cases, the wife goes back to India and then applies another legal procedure on her divorce, and the Indian Court rejects her application saying it abides by the divorce decision of the US court.

Originally posted by: sashashyam
Kalapi, my dear,

I am by now prepared to concede anything at all if it will keep you happy and relaxed (Arjun's tarakamantra for his wife!), for I don't want you to spend so much energy on these endless arguments when you must be fagged out, even if you think you are ok. So, let us call a halt to this and let you rest in peace!😉

Only one point, and that is the diplomat in me, always looking for the fine print! Arjun and Ovi were married in India under the Hindu Marriages Act. They cannot get a Canadian divorce. Of course Ovi could have got it easily on the grounds of non-fulfillment of conjugal obligations. Arjun could never have got one unless Ovi agreed to it.

Also, though I did not point it out so as not to nitpick about Kools' superb essay of the 'real life Aashana',as of now, Indian law governing divorces under any act does NOT provide for anything more that fairly limited alimony. NOT for half one spouse's property going to the other.

Lastly, since it that this show is soon going to take another leap to 2050. Now this has a silver lining in it which will make all these pros and cons redundant. As I have suggested to strega above, let us all get up a petition for the whole PR cast and crew to be shipped off to Mars. The unfortunate Martians may have something to say to this unwelcome visitation, but all of us earthbound viewers would be saved!!!😉

Take care, my dear girl, and get completely well soon. A tot of that toddy every now and then would still help. As for me, you could not give me any germs even if you were here, I have already had two bouts and must by now have complete immunity!

Shyamala

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soapwatcher1

@soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#156

Shyamala, just dropped in to say your style is very reminiscent of Heyer, one of my favorites, for her illimitable way of putting her point across to her readers.

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#157

Kalapi my dear,

This is really a very interesting issue, and thanks for bringing me up to speed on this. I stand corrected insofar as a couple married in India can, it is now clear, be divorced in, say, Canada or the US. The Indian Supreme Court ruling of November 16, 2009 on the validity in India of a foreign divorce, which I have checked up, would also seem to have settled the matter finally,

But then, the law is never as simple as that, or what would the lawyers do for a living? When I dug a bit deeper, it seems that even if the husband obtains divorce from, say, a Canadian, court the decree of divorce may not be valid in India if it is not in accordance with the provisions of section 13 of the Civil Procedure Code & principle of law formulated by the Courts in India.

So, a divorce granted by US court or any other foreign court may be good for that particular country, but if that divorce is not valid from Indian point of view, the divorced person, whether an Indian or foreigner, won't be able to remarry on the basis of the decree of divorce in India. It he/she does so, he/she will face criminal charges of bigamy at least in India, if not in US or any other foreign country. This would of course be relevant only for NRIs maintaining strong links with India.

I have not as yet looked into the situation wrt other countries. But I have, in the course of my diplomatic career, heard and read of any number of divorce and child custody squabbles between spouses of different nationalities, one being American and the other not, mostly European, and it never seemed as easy as this.

The law is often an ass, but it does seem that in these kinds of cases, the US courts' attitude would affect the interests of vulnerable Indian women married to NRIs. This way, the husband could divorce her very easily, and perhaps even without her knowing about it, and ruin her life. This can emphatically NOT be done in India.

Then again, my dear, an annulment is quite different from a divorce, for it negates the marriage entirely and makes it as if it never was. The grounds for that could be a prior marriage that is still valid. Of course there would be major legal implications, for property and alimony claims. While researching this topic, I found out that, interestingly enough, a marriage annulled by, say, the Catholic Church on the basis of canon law would not be legally valid unless a specific annulment order from a court has also been obtained!

As for Ovi, I am sure she is a Canadian citizen, and she would have no problem shifting back there. If she got sole custody of the child, Arjun would just have to lump it. I suppose he would then remarry and have his own children. After all, he was ready to honour her decision about an abortion! So she would be stuck with the baby she never wanted, except as a means for winning the love of her husband, which she now will not have. A truly ironic situation. I would feel sorry for the baby!

I do not know how the property and linked claims would be handled in such a case.Even if a Canadian court gave Ovi a solid chunk of Arjun's property, the Indian court would not honour that as it would not be in accordance with Indian laws. Why, when I was first posted in Washington in the early 1980s, there were any number of cases of men who skipped to another State to take advantage of the more beneficial divorce laws there, and even escape alimomy payments altogether. That was because unlike in India, where there is only a single countrywide legal system, it is different for each US State, and for each Canadian province as well.

Sleep tight and get well soon,, My wrist is in bad shape with this orgy of posting too, and is clamouring loudly for a break!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi

Shymala darling, I had to make this last post in spite of myself😃, before I go to sleep land. I don't think any more marriages done in India, needs a divorce in India, or for that matter, marriage done in any country can be annulled in any other country. I can right now think of 2 real life examples ' both were married in India (and btw, interestingly both were love marriages as well). And both settled in USA, and got a divorce in the USA. Not only so, in one of the divorces, the spouse who was living a separate life for awhile, got a divorce without letting the other spouse even know that she was divorcing him. In this case, the wife advertised in a local newspaper (Jewish newspaper to be exact, yes and these are Indian couples) that she was looking for him and then divorced him uncontested as he didn't response back to her in a timely fashion (although the truth is that the hubby could never have seen the advertisement because it was out of Chicago's local Jewish newspaper (he lived in the NE USA).
That is why I said Ovi should move to Canada and establish her residency there first, which I hardly believe could be hard, as she could be a Canadian for living there 18 yrs and must have taken citizenship of that country and then apply for a divorce. And Canadian law, well does favor the child more than anyone and Arjun would be at a hard spot. Ovi could easily get him where she wants him to be 😃 ' I have seen that too here in both cases.
Btw, one of this real divorce cases, the wife goes back to India and then applies another legal procedure on her divorce, and the Indian Court rejects her application saying it abides by the divorce decision of the US court.

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#158

Now that, Janhvi, is a compliment to be treasured! I am profoundly grateful for it.

Georgette Heyer is also one of my all time favourites, and at her best, she can be quite Austenesque. As in The Quiet Gentleman. At other times, as in Cotillion, she seems to have picked her male characters straight out of the Drones Club. But my personal favourite is the 1927 high romantic one, These Old Shades. Think of having someone like Justin Alastair at your feet!

So many have tried to imitate Heyer - the Regency genre seems to have become a cottage industry - but I cannot think of even one who has really succeeded.

But the ironic thing is that Heyer herself apparently wanted to be recognised as a serious historical novelist, and she worked the hardest on her projected House of Lancaster trilogy, only one of which, Lord John, was finished before she passed away,

But I am incurably frivolous, and I much prefer her sparkling Regency capers.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, just dropped in to say your style is very reminiscent of Heyer, one of my favorites, for her illimitable way of putting her point across to her readers.

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strega

@strega

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Posted: 13 years ago

#159

LOL .@blue lets send one lot to Venus and the other to Mars and end the drama; do not care where they came from :)

Frankly, right now, I am only interested in one half of the quadrangle as you put it - The Purvi-Onir half. I see potential - but what man proposes, CV disposes.So am not holding my breath.

The Arjun and Ovi relationship is so messed up, for me, that I do not care any more. I know your tender feelings for the boy - but I feel like giving him a wallop. The actor is excellent - but the character deserves a good shake. I do not want to repeat again my dislike for Ovi.

Originally posted by: sashashyam
My dear Strega,

I am with you on most of what you have said here, especially on what you do NOT want to see happening. It would be awful to have to witness the bumping off of half of this quadrangle so that the remaining two corners, now diagonally opposite to each other, can be linked again. Onir is the only decent and consistently sensible person around now, and I do not want him to be either run over by a Kolkata tram or dumped by his Mishti.

As for lack of consistency, that is endemic to this show from the beginning. You are citing Arjun with the 2 girls and rightly so but Archana once did something FAR more serious. She barely missed getting Manav jailed for years on a trumped up charge of chawl demolition when she testified in court against her husband of many years, who was protesting is innocence. He escaped only because of the chawl accusers had a last minute attack of conscience. And now you see Manav telling Ovi that he suffered because HE had not trusted Archana. What about HER?

I also could not understand why the otherwise ever caring Arjun, at least as he is shown these days, looks so glum and unresponsive when Ovi sings that hauntingly lovely song at the stupid pass the pillow game. If you asked Rithwik, I am sure he would not know either!

I understand that this show is soon going to take another leap to 2050. Now this has a silver lining in it. By then, I am sure space travel, including to the Red Planet, would have started. Let us all get up a petition for the whole PR cast and crew to be shipped off to Mars. The unfortunate Martians may have something to say to this unwelcome visitation, but all of us earthbound viewers would be saved!!!😉

Shyamala

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strega

@strega

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Posted: 13 years ago

#160

Shyamala - And frankly, I think Arjun would have been best off with Punni. She has her head screwed on straight. She knows what she wants. Goes to get it. And does not expect much except a good life in return, She would not have cared a whit if he harbored tender feelings for his ex...

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