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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Shankar-

Is this news to any old viewers? If PR continues, then ArMan will be separated once more. I hope they stop with those tracks. Time for Soham.


Hi Shankar,

You are right! I won't be surprised if Arman separate again. It could be because or Archu Mahaan for having bias attitude towards the kids. Like she might try and unite ARVI and that might piss Manav off for having Ovi in tears again. I won't be surprised if such a track is shown by the CV's. Basically, back to square one as always ""{ 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
#12
You made some good points but here are some facts of the show I would like to point out as well.

Savita - She has always been greedy for money, but she was always fiercely protective of her kids. When it came to Archana she bounced back and forth between liking her and not liking her. There was a period where everything was peaceful and they all lived together (archana, manav, young sachin, damaodor, savita) but things changed after Archana's mother was tricked into signing her house over to Manjour and Vinod. Once Sulochana came to stay, Savita once again became jealous but it was pointless, Sulochana was not trying to take her spot in the house, and Archana still loved, and looked to Savita for guidance.

But Savita had it stuck in her head that Archana wasn't being a good daughter in law , savita even said herself, that the happiness Archana was experiencing was because Savita allowed it to be. Then the stuff came up with Vandu and that further added to Savita's disgust of Archana. But the reason Archana didn't want to give money to Vandu was because Manav was giving it to her the cash or something like that. Archana wanted to give the money to Vandu but she wanted it set up in Vandu's name only because she didn't want her in laws to use her. It was for Vandu's protection , not because Archana didn't want her to have better. Savita of course just had it in her head that archana was a greedy selfish woman , so she further added that to the fuel to seperate her son. THrough the entire rest of the relationship she pitted the couple against each other, even when it came to the chawl situation savita played both sides. She told archana to behave one way and manav to behave another. She did


Archana - I don't agree with all of the actions archana has taken but I believe at her core she has always tried to do what was right and tried to keep those around her content. Her problem is that she repeatedly sacrificed her own happiness rather than standing up for herself. She didn't give away her kids because she was a bad mother, she only allowed them to go with their father because she believed that it was the best decision for them. She knew that as long as they were with Manav they would be raised correctly , and she also believed at that point that any relationship between her and Manav was over. She thought it would be better to be seperated...but keep in mind while the two of them were making these life altering decisions they were still very much grieving the loss of a child...I don't know how many of you have lost kids or someone you love...but its not exactly the best time to make life altering decisions.


Sachin- Archana loved sachin as her own, she still does. She wasn't neglecting him, he was older and didn't need as much attention as Soham...but of course Savita used that entire situation to her advantage , and drove a wedge between Sachin and Archana. Sharvani was even in the picture again thanks to Savita, but Sharvani could see that her son was safe, happy, and well cared for by Archana and Manav, Sharvani even tried to WARN Archana that Savita was up to no good and to watch her steps...but of course it didn't make Archana any more cautious in her dealing with Savita or question her actions. I feel sorry for Sachin because he was manipulated into hurting one of his mothers...


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Posted: 13 years ago
#13
I want arjun and purvi back. I wish ovi realized that Arjun could never accept her and give arjun a divorce.
Edited by martalinda - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: rainbow1873

You made some good points but here are some facts of the show I would like to point out as well.

Savita - She has always been greedy for money, but she was always fiercely protective of her kids. When it came to Archana she bounced back and forth between liking her and not liking her. There was a period where everything was peaceful and they all lived together (archana, manav, young sachin, damaodor, savita) but things changed after Archana's mother was tricked into signing her house over to Manjour and Vinod. Once Sulochana came to stay, Savita once again became jealous but it was pointless, Sulochana was not trying to take her spot in the house, and Archana still loved, and looked to Savita for guidance.

But Savita had it stuck in her head that Archana wasn't being a good daughter in law , savita even said herself, that the happiness Archana was experiencing was because Savita allowed it to be. Then the stuff came up with Vandu and that further added to Savita's disgust of Archana. But the reason Archana didn't want to give money to Vandu was because Manav was giving it to her the cash or something like that. Archana wanted to give the money to Vandu but she wanted it set up in Vandu's name only because she didn't want her in laws to use her. It was for Vandu's protection , not because Archana didn't want her to have better. Savita of course just had it in her head that archana was a greedy selfish woman , so she further added that to the fuel to seperate her son. THrough the entire rest of the relationship she pitted the couple against each other, even when it came to the chawl situation savita played both sides. She told archana to behave one way and manav to behave another. She did


Archana - I don't agree with all of the actions archana has taken but I believe at her core she has always tried to do what was right and tried to keep those around her content. Her problem is that she repeatedly sacrificed her own happiness rather than standing up for herself. She didn't give away her kids because she was a bad mother, she only allowed them to go with their father because she believed that it was the best decision for them. She knew that as long as they were with Manav they would be raised correctly , and she also believed at that point that any relationship between her and Manav was over. She thought it would be better to be seperated...but keep in mind while the two of them were making these life altering decisions they were still very much grieving the loss of a child...I don't know how many of you have lost kids or someone you love...but its not exactly the best time to make life altering decisions.


Sachin- Archana loved sachin as her own, she still does. She wasn't neglecting him, he was older and didn't need as much attention as Soham...but of course Savita used that entire situation to her advantage , and drove a wedge between Sachin and Archana. Sharvani was even in the picture again thanks to Savita, but Sharvani could see that her son was safe, happy, and well cared for by Archana and Manav, Sharvani even tried to WARN Archana that Savita was up to no good and to watch her steps...but of course it didn't make Archana any more cautious in her dealing with Savita or question her actions. I feel sorry for Sachin because he was manipulated into hurting one of his mothers...



Hi, I completely agree with most of the points you made. Absolutely valid and since I stopped watching the show in between esp the court case, I only read the updates so I could have missed out on a lot of the points to make an objective argument.

But for the highlighted points above, my main problem with Archana has been her absolute stand for herself. Sacrificing something for others and sacrificing your own for others is very different. you don't get up one day and decide that your husband is wrong and you should support the chawl people against him by pushing him to court. There are 100 ways to sort situations out and instead of dealing it like an adult or a wife, her step was to fight against him in court. This sets the ball for a wife who can easily get influenced by anyone, be it Sulo or Savita. I don't mean that Manav has never been at fault but if you are an adult, you have every conscious idea how much your mother-in-law has hated you, you would be cautious about listening to her against your husband and being a little more gentle in your treatment towards her Same way when Shravani told her, archu should have paid some heed to her knowing Savita's background with her own self. During the whole Vandu-Aijt ordeal, the way it was shown was Archu was ofcourse protecting Vandu's interests but she never outspoke it the way she should have. She went and gave money to Varsha which was meant for Vandu, which is completely wrong. If you saw that episode, Varsha needed money for the most stupid reasons and it's ok for you to help your sister but Archu took the same money that was for Vandu and gave it away to Varsha. After all, I would consult my husband about the Vandu situation before just thoughtlessly giving it away to my wayward sister.

Sulo coming inot the house is all fair and good. But putting your mother on a pedestal while your mother-in-law is still in teh house, is being stupid. Ultimately your mother is techincally in your mother-in-law's house and you should know better to keep that in mind at all times. While buying the K house back, they should have let Savita know their plan that they were plannign to do this. You don't just do things for the maika while your MIL is standing and watching the show. Archu behaved like a horse with blinders on when Sulo was in the house. I am abolsutelt not against helping and taking care of your mom, but at the same time, if you know how your MIL ka attitude is, I would also make sure to keep MIL happy and feel comfortable in her own house.

Also, giving away her kids to Manav knowing they will be taken care of better, yes she should have felt that way because of what she did to Soham. Letting your sister take care of your son is one thing and giving him away to an uncured obsessive sister with a psychiatric problem is another. Especially, when your husband is just not in favor of the situation. After all soham is their child not just hers to donate to her sister as and when. Sachin's situation was , I agreed completely taken advantage of by Savita, but there were umpteen hints in sachin that he was feeling neglected and told Archu on her face so many times about not being his real aai and loving Soham more. what did Archu do? Hugged him tightly, shed hr usual supply of tears and then next day back to same old. My parents have two kids, with not a big difference between the ages of us siblings, but I never grew up feeling ignored. I am a psychologist and I know that every older child goes through a phase like that. but every mother also has to deal with iit the right way. Archu had weird standards where she would shower more attention on Soham but also thought it was ok to hand him over to an uncured mental sister. And hugging Sachin one day and next day back to ignoring him is the worst way to deal with a child going through jealousy due to a younger brother. All Archana had to do was discuss her issues, problems about Sachin, Varsha, Vandu openly to Manav. Instead she thinks she is always doing the right thing and does not consider talking it out to her husband. Her high horse attitude along with Manav's rubber like mind that can be molded either way by his mother led to these problems between them. Sacrificing and all is ofcourse a big deal and should be respected, but when you sacrifice your own people like they don;t mean anything that's not right. Don;t treat your husband or kids liek commodities.

At the end of the day it takes two people to make a mockery of marriage or their lives together. Manav has accepted his foolishness and I hope they show Archana swallowing her Mahaanta pride and apologizing to him for all her goof-ups with Soham and Sachin.

Either way- It is just a show and I apologize if anyone got offended by my observations, but I feel everyone in the show has so many bloopers that they should have collective mass apologization event for everything so far :P 😆 Everyone say sorry to everyone forget the past and move on. :P 😉
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Excellent post and analysis!!! Well done!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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angels like archu can never throw smbd out of the house be it savita...that is what I like about archna that she always forgives and moves on...just love her
Edited by bwtsweetu - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i cannot wait for the purvi-soham interaction! they are so cute as siblings
i would love to see the sibling interaction
some happy moments
Varsha in jail

I have one question that confused me..did arvi consummate their relationship before marriage?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hey Pooja, nice post again.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Pooja (may I call you that?), awesome, awesome post! 👏Hiten was marvelous today, he emoted so well, his expression in the precap yesterday gave it away, that we were in for a treat today.
I felt sorry for Sachin too, have always had a soft corner for him and today he looked younger and more vulnerable than ever.
Savita got what was coming and I am sure she will come back with why she hated/hates Archana.
Archana, we all see it coming, she looked positively aghast when Manav said he never wanted to see his mother again. No fears there, Savita is never going to land in jail or on the streets.
Ovi, you might be surprised, I think she is going to do an about turn. Her dad's words strangely echoed verbatim Arjun's words to her the night of the wedding. She might gift him right back to her "sister" who might resist and then we will have a one upmanship battle between the two sanskari ladkis.
Soham, he is my favorite too 😃 just as much as Purvi😆. I think he will forgive Varsha and Archana, the boy has a gentle heart, I likened him to a coconut once, hard exterior, tender on the inside. He has grown up showered with love from both "parents". Balan loves the boy almost as much as the bemused Varsha does. So that way the boy was not deprived and has no hang ups on being bereft of love. Yes, the gang affiliation might irk but that is Balan's way of life so the boy might be big-hearted to let it go. I am waiting like you to see nuances and emotions hitherto unseen from this so far happy go lucky guy.
You are right, Soham and Purvi will be winsome as brother and sister or even as friends. No Rane for Purvi.
PR has been clipping these past two weeks, let us wait and watch if it continues to keep its pace.
Edited by soapwatcher1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: pari87


Hi, I completely agree with most of the points you made. Absolutely valid and since I stopped watching the show in between esp the court case, I only read the updates so I could have missed out on a lot of the points to make an objective argument.

But for the highlighted points above, my main problem with Archana has been her absolute stand for herself. Sacrificing something for others and sacrificing your own for others is very different. you don't get up one day and decide that your husband is wrong and you should support the chawl people against him by pushing him to court. There are 100 ways to sort situations out and instead of dealing it like an adult or a wife, her step was to fight against him in court. This sets the ball for a wife who can easily get influenced by anyone, be it Sulo or Savita. I don't mean that Manav has never been at fault but if you are an adult, you have every conscious idea how much your mother-in-law has hated you, you would be cautious about listening to her against your husband and being a little more gentle in your treatment towards her Same way when Shravani told her, archu should have paid some heed to her knowing Savita's background with her own self. During the whole Vandu-Aijt ordeal, the way it was shown was Archu was ofcourse protecting Vandu's interests but she never outspoke it the way she should have. She went and gave money to Varsha which was meant for Vandu, which is completely wrong. If you saw that episode, Varsha needed money for the most stupid reasons and it's ok for you to help your sister but Archu took the same money that was for Vandu and gave it away to Varsha. After all, I would consult my husband about the Vandu situation before just thoughtlessly giving it away to my wayward sister.

Sulo coming inot the house is all fair and good. But putting your mother on a pedestal while your mother-in-law is still in teh house, is being stupid. Ultimately your mother is techincally in your mother-in-law's house and you should know better to keep that in mind at all times. While buying the K house back, they should have let Savita know their plan that they were plannign to do this. You don't just do things for the maika while your MIL is standing and watching the show. Archu behaved like a horse with blinders on when Sulo was in the house. I am abolsutelt not against helping and taking care of your mom, but at the same time, if you know how your MIL ka attitude is, I would also make sure to keep MIL happy and feel comfortable in her own house.

Also, giving away her kids to Manav knowing they will be taken care of better, yes she should have felt that way because of what she did to Soham. Letting your sister take care of your son is one thing and giving him away to an uncured obsessive sister with a psychiatric problem is another. Especially, when your husband is just not in favor of the situation. After all soham is their child not just hers to donate to her sister as and when. Sachin's situation was , I agreed completely taken advantage of by Savita, but there were umpteen hints in sachin that he was feeling neglected and told Archu on her face so many times about not being his real aai and loving Soham more. what did Archu do? Hugged him tightly, shed hr usual supply of tears and then next day back to same old. My parents have two kids, with not a big difference between the ages of us siblings, but I never grew up feeling ignored. I am a psychologist and I know that every older child goes through a phase like that. but every mother also has to deal with iit the right way. Archu had weird standards where she would shower more attention on Soham but also thought it was ok to hand him over to an uncured mental sister. And hugging Sachin one day and next day back to ignoring him is the worst way to deal with a child going through jealousy due to a younger brother. All Archana had to do was discuss her issues, problems about Sachin, Varsha, Vandu openly to Manav. Instead she thinks she is always doing the right thing and does not consider talking it out to her husband. Her high horse attitude along with Manav's rubber like mind that can be molded either way by his mother led to these problems between them. Sacrificing and all is ofcourse a big deal and should be respected, but when you sacrifice your own people like they don;t mean anything that's not right. Don;t treat your husband or kids liek commodities.

At the end of the day it takes two people to make a mockery of marriage or their lives together. Manav has accepted his foolishness and I hope they show Archana swallowing her Mahaanta pride and apologizing to him for all her goof-ups with Soham and Sachin.

Either way- It is just a show and I apologize if anyone got offended by my observations, but I feel everyone in the show has so many bloopers that they should have collective mass apologization event for everything so far :P 😆 Everyone say sorry to everyone forget the past and move on. :P 😉

A few comments on Archanas role in Sachin and Soham.
Archana was never shown neglecting Sachin . And he never felt so until savita started playing mindgames with the child and started indoctrinating him.Making him aware of the fact that Archana is not his mother. Then contacting Shravani and finally brain-washing manav. So much so that even the slightest mistake on Archana's part became magnified as neglecting Sachin. Even foolish Archana started believing so. So I dont think that she "goofed up" on Sachin. She was genuinely taking care of him.
As far as Soham is concerned, she was wrong and foolish in trusting the supposedly "cured" Varsha and paid a horrible price. But the fact remains that Manav and Savita are not completely blameless too.
Archana trusted her sister and lost everything. Manav trusted his mother and lost the wife he loved. Archana has acknowledged her mistake many times and believs that she deserved what she got. Manav has realised that he has been unfair to Archana by blindly believing his mother. Hence the apology.
Both can keep apologizing to each other but the damage is done. Most of all, they owe an apology to the children. Savita also owes an apology to the children. Will she apologize?
Both Manav and Archana are weak and foolish. But they are and will remain good human beings.

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