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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kalapi

Bee,

So, what I don't understand, if he has already forgiven Archana for Soham case and the Court Case, there must be a reason why Archana didn't follow him (this is in before 18 yrs). I mean I understand that Archana was sad and depressed after the Soham tragedy and Manav took the twins after he started have that nightmare, but the fact that he sent the tickets and she never came, could have made him start wondering why? Unless, he thought that after their son's 'death', Archana didn't want to live with him (which even happens in real life) and wanted to move away from him.

But then what happens in-between the 18 yrs. Obviously Manav, still loved his wife and with time completely forgives and forgets all that transpired before. Couldn't his love for her, could have force him to come and at least see if things have improved between them, right? It seems he forgave her, but never moved on in the sense of marrying someone else or made the effort to figure out how things were between them say after 5, 10 or 15 yrs. He just lived 'sadly' a celibacy life and said bad things about Archana to his twins (and if you say, he never said them himself, he obviously didn't stop his mother from doing so, right). He knew Savita didn't have anything good to say about Archana, but as a Dad, if he forgave Archana, he should have shared with his kids his good memories with them or tried to bring the kids back to hiswife as well as made sure Savita didn't have anything bad to say to the twin either. But, he does nothing, simply nothing all these 18 yrs, in asense he wasted these 18yrs for what??

It seems from today's episode (and I haven't watched yet, man I know this show inside out😃) that he has the brain of a 5 yr old that needs someone else to think and decide on his behalf. God, I love those people who don't pass the buck and blame others for their mistake or don't let others to decide on his behalf'this is clearly what he has allowed everyone to do for him continuously all these years'hard to believe it, as he is depicted here as a successful businessman'

So, the conclusion is, this could have gone on for another 18 yrs, if Savita didn't send those damn divorce paper, as he is incapable of any action and is like the stone status, stupidly waiting for everyone else to do things for him???

So, today, am sure Savita, must be cursing herself for sending those damn papers 😃 - she never knew what was good for her😉'things could have been 'status quo' for her '..one misstep on her part and see where it has landed herself today'😆🤣

kalapi,

I wasn't watching the show back then, just read about those parts when Varsha or someone else used to answer to some posts, so my opinion is based only on that.

He did not look for Archana all those 18 years, wasn't it because he comes to know that when he sent the AirTickets, his wife refused to come and that she has given up the custody of their children (That was what Savita comes back and tells right)? So, all those 18 years he kept brooding over that fact that how could his wife do that to him, when he was ready to forgive her for the court case and was ready to accept her even after all that had happened in the past (Soham, Court Case, Jail etc). Isn't that is why he doesn't try to get back to his wife?

And he comes to India only after he finally gets the divorce application (signed by Savita and Sent by Sachin), to clarify with Archana as to why Divorce now when 18 years they have lead a life of Separation, so it could continue for as long as it can?

Yes, Manav could have tried to contact if he loved her so much, but can we really blame Manav?



Kalapi,
We can discuss all we want passionately about Manav in 18 yrs, but the sad fact is - They never showed us any of what had happened and I doubt if they would ever.

So, based on what I see of him now, by that what I mean is - I have always seen him as a good person,
1. I doubt if he taught bad things to his children about Archana.
2. In addition, I also doubt if he was ever present when Savita talked ill about Archana,
the above two, even if he knew Savita did not have any great opinions on Archana.

Also, there is a great difference between forgiving someone for the wrong they did , from, trying to contact them to iron out the issues.
What they did show us, in dialogues or a few reactions of the family was that, he never talked about Archana in front of the family, in anger or in happy memory. The only time he ever mentioned about Archana was only to DK and that too when DK brought up the topic of Archana during their talks sometimes late nights with Manav brooding and DK with a whiskey glass trying to talk wise.

In addition, it was also shown to us that Manav always celebrated his marriage anniversary all by himself for all those 18 yrs.

Here 18 yrs was just a number EK took to show the grown up kids.

But yeah Manav just resigned his fate, life, love and everything else to be ruled by others.

Yes, this divorce case would never have come back up if it was not for Savita's what-do-i-say selfishness to have whole-and-sole rights on her son? And Savita also took that step only bcos Manav was going to India for business. She, in her insecurity, wanted to drive the final nail in the coffin, but she paid for it dearly as the plan just went on its head down.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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I may be in minority here, but I have had it enough, so I choose it write it -

I watch this show for its story and not for any actor.
Though I laud Ankita for taking up the role of Archana post 18 yrs leap, I would like to watch Archana and not Ankita. (People who understand this will know what i am talking about and this is no bashing.)

After having chosen to play the role of a character, I would wish the actor showed some conviction and played the role and not herself. It is really pathetic that the show makers, the channel or the actor does not feel that they need to portray a character and not parade an actor for her various modelling skills of sarees or any other accessories.



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Posted: 13 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

masti tomorrow they will show Manav at Archana's feet and Archanaforgiving Savita but honestly i want Savita to leave all of them and go somewhere . Teju has disappointed me and Damo and Manav can go and get tied in Sulochana's verandah .

Yes, Kool, if I had my way, I could have Savita just walk away. She has done a lot for Manav and his kids...with all these slapfest going on, Did Manav for once thought who tok care of his toddlers? He just walked away with them. Did Archana even consider, how Savita could manage the toddlers at her age and she just stayed back citing her pavitra rishta???? Kids are by far parents responsibility and what has Archu done so far for her twin...nothing???? So, Savita just should leave all and go to Hawaii...why should she explain, was it her responsibilty to take care of the twins...she has supported the Desmukhs enough...now, after she leaves, I want to see how Arman separates again...but alas, that isn't happening, for whatever happens it damn Savita's fault...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

bee , jai , jyothi ...


I will tell where Savita is mistaken .

She should not have played games with Sachu and Shravni .

She should have never pinched Soham and used her grandkids in her fight with Archana .

She should never have been rude to or slapped Shravni in front of the whole chawl after using her .

But i will never hold her responsible for the BS i heard today namely

her anger towards Archana and the karanjkars

her enemity with the arrogant Sulochana

her wanting a good life after her husband subjected her to alcoholism and poverty

her taking away her grandkids with lies after Archanas family had killed 3 of membersof her family .

thanks for reading the commentary .😊




Kools,
I agree to everything except the last one @red.
She shouldn't have done that. But she was what she was and did that act. Probably that is why everything else today was blamed on her. Everything else of what others did/did-not do all forgiven bcos of that act of hers of such gravity?


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Posted: 13 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: bee5



Kalapi,
We can discuss all we want passionately about Manav in 18 yrs, but the sad fact is - They never showed us any of what had happened and I doubt if they would ever.

So, based on what I see of him now, by that what I mean is - I have always seen him as a good person,
1. I doubt if he taught bad things to his children about Archana.
2. In addition, I also doubt if he was ever present when Savita talked ill about Archana,

the above two, even if he knew Savita did not have any great opinions on Archana.

Bee, my conclusions are based on what I have seen of the show...I just haven't really imagined them. My point was the twins clearly had very bad impressions of their mother. I fail to understand why as a father, Manav never tried to dispel them? What prevented him? They called Archana 'uss aurat', Can't remembering MAnav stopping them. Why did he not share happy moments of his life with the kids??? So, t me, he wasn't the force that dispel the negativity spread my Savita...did Savita prevented him doing so, I guess so...it is all Savita' s fault...even his inactivity is probably because of so.
Bee, I write what I see. Really, I am never interested in the actor/actresses, but to you I might appear bias, so be it...can't change anyone. But I have seen this serial for 3 yrs now and have found it to justify Savita then the leads of the show...may be I like negative charcters, they give me food for thought...
Also, there is a great difference between forgiving someone for the wrong they did , from, trying to contact them to iron out the issues.
What they did show us, in dialogues or a few reactions of the family was that, he never talked about Archana in front of the family, in anger or in happy memory. The only time he ever mentioned about Archana was only to DK and that too when DK brought up the topic of Archana during their talks sometimes late nights with Manav brooding and DK with a whiskey glass trying to talk wise.

In addition, it was also shown to us that Manav always celebrated his marriage anniversary all by himself for all those 18 yrs.

Here 18 yrs was just a number EK took to show the grown up kids.Well, it might be that true love just resign. I have seen Arjun just resign to his fate and married Ovi. Now, he promised not to honor his consious decision, Ok, I get it...Romantics, I guess. This Manav Devdas alos waited the 18 yrs, as you said...because that was fated...I sure am no romantic that understand ekta...yup, as you said he resigned to his fate, and I as an audience have to accept it as face value...actually not really, as a critic and an audience of this show I am entitled to speculated why he did what he did, right as we evaluate and speculated Savita, Ovi andothers...this is my POV or as I see the Character of Manav...

But yeah Manav just resigned his fate, life, love and everything else to be ruled by others.

Yes, this divorce case would never have come back up if it was not for Savita's what-do-i-say selfishness to have whole-and-sole rights on her son? And Savita also took that step only bcos Manav was going to India for business. She, in her insecurity, wanted to drive the final nail in the coffin, but she paid for it dearly as the plan just went on its head down.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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@blue : Why do you say that? No, I don't see you as biased. You are stating your point and I am mine. So, lets clear that misunderstanding .

Coming to the point about Archana-Manav-Savita.
I know there was a huge hue-n-cry about the usage of the term 'Uss Aurat', but I don't see anything wrong with that. What are the kids supposed to call a mother for whom she was no where and there was no mention of her? So, practically she was a stranger and yes, a 'Uss Aurat' when translated.

Next, yes, Manav noticed all that was happening in his home. What Savita wanted and what and how they talked about Archana in front of him.
In his heart of hearts he might have known what Archana did was wrong but still he chose to forgive her.
Though he might have forgiven Archana, he did not expect anyone to do that or accept her just bcos he did not hold any grudges against her. And that may be the reason why he never tried and stopped the kids talking in a bad reference about Archana (Uss Aurat).

Today, what really happened was, the wrongs of Archana and all the questions he had for Archana were all swept away, as the wrong of Savita looked enormous to him?
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Posted: 13 years ago
#67
Great posts Bee!

Agree with you on your well written points!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Axiom

Great posts Bee!


Agree with you on your well written points!



Thank, Laurie, and Glad 😛
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Posted: 13 years ago
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bee she shouldn't have done many things but by the time did this act Archana and the Karanjkars had crossed all bounds and when one crosses all bounds one cannot judge the other's reaction . Today none of that was said . She not wanting to even see Archana;s face by that time was totally understandable .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

bee she shouldn't have done many things but by the time did this act Archana and the Karanjkars had crossed all bounds and when one crosses all bounds one cannot judge the other's reaction . Today none of that was said . She not wanting to even see Archana;s face by that time was totally understandable .



Kool,
In that case, Savita shouldn't have given up so easily.
If she did what she did thinking that was the right thing, then she should've blast both Archana and Manav. Shouldn't she have?
Like some one said - It is between wife and husband. If they let someone come in between and ruin their married life, they should blame themselves.

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