Arjun's confession: a different take

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I am considerably puzzled by the repeated references in this forum to Arjun having given Purvi a deadline of one day to make up her mind. There have been various inferences drawn from this assumption, linking it to Ovi's anticipated descent on Mumbai, with or without her Savita aaji. However, an examination of what was actually said by Arjun in last night's prequel does not seem to bear out this one day deadline thesis.

I have a HDD DVD recorder, and I always record the episodes, and edit the ads out before I watch them. So I have been able to check out the prequel very carefully, and what Arjun says is the following:

"Tumhara ek faisla, Purvi, jis se ya hamara ek naya rishta jud sakta hai, ya phir hamare beech ka wo rishta, jiska koyi wajood nahin tha, uska ant ho sakta hai. Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho. Faisla kar lo."

There is no indication here of a 1 day deadline. In fact, Arjun seems to be demanding an immediate decision from Purvi. Her face is ashen with apprehension, and when he says "Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho", which is obviously linked to the second option, of ending their old relationship, she swallows in nervous anxiety.

If this analysis is correct, and Arjun's exact words would seem to bear this out, there is no question of any link, in terms of timing, to Ovi's possible arrival in Mumbai.

If I was the writer, I would tie this up neatly on the spot, by having Purvi ask Arjun " Aap kehte hain na, ki main aapki zindagi hoon?" and when Arjun says 'Yes", she only has to add "To, Sir, main aapki zindagi aapse kaise cheen sakti hoon?", and, as the poet puts it "All at once is said." Of course this is too good and too uncomplicated to be true!

This apart, the ArVi sections of last night's episode were exceptionally good. Arjun is a very successful businessman, and as such, he has to be a very competent negotiator. I too have had a lot of professional experience of negotiations in my diplomatic career, and while all that he says is unquestionably straight from the heart and extremely emotional, the graph of the conversation displays his excellent negotiating skills.

He begins by pitching his expectations at the top level, asking her "Tum bhi mujhse pyar karti ho na?", as if it is a given. This is the best way to begin. When she denies it with her usual shrill vehemence (I wonder how, for what she presumably intends to be a confidential exchange, she is not afraid of raising the mohalla with such a decibel level !), he tries to insist that what she is saying is not true. When this does not work, he backs off a little, and says that even if she has no feelings for him, he has deep feelings for her. This, and the reiteration of the strength of his feelings begin to put Purvi on the defensive. When he says that the kiss was only an expression of his love for her, her face shows anguished empathy – the eyes are strained and her tilted face has an almost pleading expression. In this whole passage, as her rebuttals grew weaker and weaker, she reminded me of someone clinging to a rope to avoid being swept away by a current.

He firmly counters her (goofy) statements about middle class girls having no right to fall in love, and goes on to assert the power of love to change people fundamentally. He clinches this peroration by reminding her that earlier his life consisted only of his work and his business, but now – and here he pulls her a little closer - "Tum mere zindagi ho, Purvi!". That one sentence is a clincher, and one can be sure she would have heard it over and over again in her head during the rest of the night.

He pushes her further on the defensive by insisting that she loves him, but is only afraid to acknowledge it, even to herself. She attempts a half-hearted rebuttal, asking "What relationship?", and complaining about his having come with a mindset completely different from what she had expected. This too is summarily disposed of by Arjun, and by the end, Purvi is left speechless, with nothing to say. She might not say, even to herself, that what Arjun says of her feelings for him is true, but in the dark hours of the night, she must have come a long way towards accepting it.

It is significant that when she sees Arjun emerge from the car in the early morning, looking tired and dishevelled, her reaction, apart from one anxious look all around, is not to run away. Instead she goes out into the street, nightdress and all, to talk to him. We do not know what all he said to her, but as she listens to his last words, her face speaks volumes.

Arjun's insistence on her making up her mind once and for all and without delay is also a sound tactic. If given much time, someone like Purvi will only dither, think up all possible excuses for not entering into unknown territory, immerse herself in household duties, and in the end, get nowhere that he wants her to go. Putting her at the foot of the wall, so to speak, and making it clear to her that it is now or never, and that he is NOT going to hang around like a poodle, calling her and texting her every few minutes so that she can have the pleasure of cutting him off, should have had a salutary effect on Purvi. If anything can get her to move in the matter, this should be it. It is another version of the old adage, "Strike while the iron is hot".

Of course she might move either way, but then Arjun is prepared for that. "Main chahta hoon ki tumhe tumhari khushiyan mile, chahe wo mere saath ho ya phir mere bagair". Could anything be more generous than this?

Arjun is as usual wonderful both in his intensity and in his untiring, persuasive eloquence, and this from someone who, in his own estimate, is very inhibited. However, one has by now come to expect this from him. What struck me was Purvi's acting, or rather Asha's as Purvi. It is vastly superior to anything we have seen of her so far. She managed to convey both her helpless confusion and her growing realization of her emotional dependence on Arjun. This promises well for the future.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wonderfully articulated Shyamala Ji!
Poorvi is typical of that group of young girls who have never gone through the process of self-examination, leaving all decisions about their life and Future in the hands of parents and elders in the household. They encase themselves in flimsy cobweb reasonings which eventually seem like iron mail to them which they cannot break out of. It is wonderful that you can clarify this situation of Poorvi. 'Middle Class' indeed! What a tiresome argument to escape from the truth!
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Thanks a lot. I am glad you liked the post, though I am afraid it is rather too long! But then, if you want to analyse anything properly, you need space!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: parameswaran

Wonderfully articulated Shyamala Ji!

Poorvi is typical of that group of young girls who have never gone through the process of self-examination, leaving all decisions about their life and Future in the hands of parents and elders in the household. They encase themselves in flimsy cobweb reasonings which eventually seem like iron mail to them which they cannot break out of. It is wonderful that you can clarify this situation of Poorvi. 'Middle Class' indeed! What a tiresome argument to escape from the truth!

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am considerably puzzled by the repeated references in this forum to Arjun having given Purvi a deadline of one day to make up her mind. There have been various inferences drawn from this assumption, linking it to Ovi's anticipated descent on Mumbai, with or without her Savita aaji. However, an examination of what was actually said by Arjun in last night's prequel does not seem to bear out this one day deadline thesis.

I have a HDD DVD recorder, and I always record the episodes, and edit the ads out before I watch them. So I have been able to check out the prequel very carefully, and what Arjun says is the following:

"Tumhara ek faisla, Purvi, jis se ya hamara ek naya rishta jud sakta hai, ya phir hamare beech ka wo rishta, jiska koyi wajood nahin tha, uska ant ho sakta hai. Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho. Faisla kar lo."

There is no indication here of a 1 day deadline. In fact, Arjun seems to be demanding an immediate decision from Purvi. Her face is ashen with apprehension, and when he says "Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho", which is obviously linked to the second option, of ending their old relationship, she swallows in nervous anxiety.

If this analysis is correct, and Arjun's exact words would seem to bear this out, there is no question of any link, in terms of timing, to Ovi's possible arrival in Mumbai.

If I was the writer, I would tie this up neatly on the spot, by having Purvi ask Arjun " Aap kehte hain na, ki main aapki zindagi hoon?" and when Arjun says 'Yes", she only has to add "To, Sir, main aapki zindagi aapse kaise cheen sakti hoon?", and, as the poet puts it "All at once is said." Of course this is too good and too uncomplicated to be true!

This apart, the ArVi sections of last night's episode were exceptionally good. Arjun is a very successful businessman, and as such, he has to be a very competent negotiator. I too have had a lot of professional experience of negotiations in my diplomatic career, and while all that he says is unquestionably straight from the heart and extremely emotional, the graph of the conversation displays his excellent negotiating skills.

He begins by pitching his expectations at the top level, asking her "Tum bhi mujhse pyar karti ho na?", as if it is a given. This is the best way to begin. When she denies it with her usual shrill vehemence (I wonder how, for what she presumably intends to be a confidential exchange, she is not afraid of raising the mohalla with such a decibel level !), he tries to insist that what she is saying is not true. When this does not work, he backs off a little, and says that even if she has no feelings for him, he has deep feelings for her. This, and the reiteration of the strength of his feelings begin to put Purvi on the defensive. When he says that the kiss was only an expression of his love for her, her face shows anguished empathy ' the eyes are strained and her tilted face has an almost pleading expression. In this whole passage, as her rebuttals grew weaker and weaker, she reminded me of someone clinging to a rope to avoid being swept away by a current.

He firmly counters her (goofy) statements about middle class girls having no right to fall in love, and goes on to assert the power of love to change people fundamentally. He clinches this peroration by reminding her that earlier his life consisted only of his work and his business, but now ' and here he pulls her a little closer - "Tum mere zindagi ho, Purvi!". That one sentence is a clincher, and one can be sure she would have heard it over and over again in her head during the rest of the night.

He pushes her further on the defensive by insisting that she loves him, but is only afraid to acknowledge it, even to herself. She attempts a half-hearted rebuttal, asking "What relationship?", and complaining about his having come with a mindset completely different from what she had expected. This too is summarily disposed of by Arjun, and by the end, Purvi is left speechless, with nothing to say. She might not say, even to herself, that what Arjun says of her feelings for him is true, but in the dark hours of the night, she must have come a long way towards accepting it.

It is significant that when she sees Arjun emerge from the car in the early morning, looking tired and dishevelled, her reaction, apart from one anxious look all around, is not to run away. Instead she goes out into the street, nightdress and all, to talk to him. We do not know what all he said to her, but as she listens to his last words, her face speaks volumes.

Arjun's insistence on her making up her mind once and for all and without delay is also a sound tactic. If given much time, someone like Purvi will only dither, think up all possible excuses for not entering into unknown territory, immerse herself in household duties, and in the end, get nowhere that he wants her to go. Putting her at the foot of the wall, so to speak, and making it clear to her that it is now or never, and that he is NOT going to hang around like a poodle, calling her and texting her every few minutes so that she can have the pleasure of cutting him off, should have had a salutary effect on Purvi. If anything can get her to move in the matter, this should be it. It is another version of the old adage, "Strike while the iron is hot".

Of course she might move either way, but then Arjun is prepared for that. "Main chahta hoon ki tumhe tumhari khushiyan mile, chahe wo mere saath ho ya phir mere bagair". Could anything be more generous than this?

Arjun is as usual wonderful both in his intensity and in his untiring, persuasive eloquence, and this from someone who, in his own estimate, is very inhibited. However, one has by now come to expect this from him. What struck me was Purvi's acting, or rather Asha's as Purvi. It is vastly superior to anything we have seen of her so far. She managed to convey both her helpless confusion and her growing realization of her emotional dependence on Arjun. This promises well for the future.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Shyamala i also liked your post. It was interesting that you put it in the context of negotiation because that is in fact what he did. Just because it's his nature not because he wanted to be manipulative. You analyzed that very well and yet didn't ignore the emotional upheaval and tsuris both were going through..and the tenderness of Arjun's love for Purvi. That tenderness will win her over in the end, (although i think she's already won over in her heart).

Since i don't understand hindi (hearing OR reading), could you possibly translate the parts you wrote in hindi, outlined in blue above?

thanks ! good post Shyamala

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Dear Naava,

I am glad you liked this post. Here are the translations you wanted, ad seriatim:

"Tumhara ek faisla, Purvi, jis se ya hamara ek naya rishta jud sakta hai, ya phir hamare beech ka wo rishta, jiska koyi wajood nahin tha, uska ant ho sakta hai. Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho. Faisla kar lo."

From this single decision of yours, Purvi, either there can be a new relationship between us, or the (old) relationship, that had no identity, can be put an end to. And perhaps today you will (then) be seeing me for the last time. Make your decision.

"Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho"
And perhaps today you will (then) be seeing me for the last time.

" Aap kehte hain na, ki main aapki zindagi hoon?"

You say that I am your life?


"To, Sir, main aapki zindagi aapse kaise cheen sakti hoon?"
Then, Sir, how can I snatch your life away from you (deprive you of your life)?

"Main chahta hoon ki tumhe tumhari khushiyan mile, chahe wo mere saath ho ya phir mere bagair"
I want you to have all the happiness (that is due to you), whether it is with me or without me.

Hope this is useful for you, How do you watch the serial, with closed captions?

Shyamala


Originally posted by: naava


Shyamala i also liked your post. It was interesting that you put it in the context of negotiation because that is in fact what he did. Just because it's his nature not because he wanted to be manipulative. You analyzed that very well and yet didn't ignore the emotional upheaval and tsuris both were going through..and the tenderness of Arjun's love for Purvi. That tenderness will win her over in the end, (although i think she's already won over in her heart).

Since i don't understand hindi (hearing OR reading), could you possibly translate the parts you wrote in hindi, outlined in blue above?

thanks ! good post Shyamala

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Length of a communication matters little when you make such fabulous clarifications. Do keep edifying us! Thanks a million again.
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am considerably puzzled by the repeated references in this forum to Arjun having given Purvi a deadline of one day to make up her mind. There have been various inferences drawn from this assumption, linking it to Ovi's anticipated descent on Mumbai, with or without her Savita aaji. However, an examination of what was actually said by Arjun in last night's prequel does not seem to bear out this one day deadline thesis.

I have a HDD DVD recorder, and I always record the episodes, and edit the ads out before I watch them. So I have been able to check out the prequel very carefully, and what Arjun says is the following:

"Tumhara ek faisla, Purvi, jis se ya hamara ek naya rishta jud sakta hai, ya phir hamare beech ka wo rishta, jiska koyi wajood nahin tha, uska ant ho sakta hai. Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho. Faisla kar lo."

There is no indication here of a 1 day deadline. In fact, Arjun seems to be demanding an immediate decision from Purvi. Her face is ashen with apprehension, and when he says "Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho", which is obviously linked to the second option, of ending their old relationship, she swallows in nervous anxiety.

If this analysis is correct, and Arjun's exact words would seem to bear this out, there is no question of any link, in terms of timing, to Ovi's possible arrival in Mumbai.

If I was the writer, I would tie this up neatly on the spot, by having Purvi ask Arjun " Aap kehte hain na, ki main aapki zindagi hoon?" and when Arjun says 'Yes", she only has to add "To, Sir, main aapki zindagi aapse kaise cheen sakti hoon?", and, as the poet puts it "All at once is said." Of course this is too good and too uncomplicated to be true!

This apart, the ArVi sections of last night's episode were exceptionally good. Arjun is a very successful businessman, and as such, he has to be a very competent negotiator. I too have had a lot of professional experience of negotiations in my diplomatic career, and while all that he says is unquestionably straight from the heart and extremely emotional, the graph of the conversation displays his excellent negotiating skills.

He begins by pitching his expectations at the top level, asking her "Tum bhi mujhse pyar karti ho na?", as if it is a given. This is the best way to begin. When she denies it with her usual shrill vehemence (I wonder how, for what she presumably intends to be a confidential exchange, she is not afraid of raising the mohalla with such a decibel level !), he tries to insist that what she is saying is not true. When this does not work, he backs off a little, and says that even if she has no feelings for him, he has deep feelings for her. This, and the reiteration of the strength of his feelings begin to put Purvi on the defensive. When he says that the kiss was only an expression of his love for her, her face shows anguished empathy ' the eyes are strained and her tilted face has an almost pleading expression. In this whole passage, as her rebuttals grew weaker and weaker, she reminded me of someone clinging to a rope to avoid being swept away by a current.

He firmly counters her (goofy) statements about middle class girls having no right to fall in love, and goes on to assert the power of love to change people fundamentally. He clinches this peroration by reminding her that earlier his life consisted only of his work and his business, but now ' and here he pulls her a little closer - "Tum mere zindagi ho, Purvi!". That one sentence is a clincher, and one can be sure she would have heard it over and over again in her head during the rest of the night.

He pushes her further on the defensive by insisting that she loves him, but is only afraid to acknowledge it, even to herself. She attempts a half-hearted rebuttal, asking "What relationship?", and complaining about his having come with a mindset completely different from what she had expected. This too is summarily disposed of by Arjun, and by the end, Purvi is left speechless, with nothing to say. She might not say, even to herself, that what Arjun says of her feelings for him is true, but in the dark hours of the night, she must have come a long way towards accepting it.

It is significant that when she sees Arjun emerge from the car in the early morning, looking tired and dishevelled, her reaction, apart from one anxious look all around, is not to run away. Instead she goes out into the street, nightdress and all, to talk to him. We do not know what all he said to her, but as she listens to his last words, her face speaks volumes.

Arjun's insistence on her making up her mind once and for all and without delay is also a sound tactic. If given much time, someone like Purvi will only dither, think up all possible excuses for not entering into unknown territory, immerse herself in household duties, and in the end, get nowhere that he wants her to go. Putting her at the foot of the wall, so to speak, and making it clear to her that it is now or never, and that he is NOT going to hang around like a poodle, calling her and texting her every few minutes so that she can have the pleasure of cutting him off, should have had a salutary effect on Purvi. If anything can get her to move in the matter, this should be it. It is another version of the old adage, "Strike while the iron is hot".

Of course she might move either way, but then Arjun is prepared for that. "Main chahta hoon ki tumhe tumhari khushiyan mile, chahe wo mere saath ho ya phir mere bagair". Could anything be more generous than this?

Arjun is as usual wonderful both in his intensity and in his untiring, persuasive eloquence, and this from someone who, in his own estimate, is very inhibited. However, one has by now come to expect this from him. What struck me was Purvi's acting, or rather Asha's as Purvi. It is vastly superior to anything we have seen of her so far. She managed to convey both her helpless confusion and her growing realization of her emotional dependence on Arjun. This promises well for the future.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Shyamala, excellent post and analysis. I loved your idea of Purvi's reply. I bolded in pink, color of love. I hope it comes true. In my other post I also said it is good that Arjun is giving short time to Purvi. He never gave much time in business deals either. Love is new thing to him. He expressed his feeling exceptionally well. Now I would like to see him strong and not in crying and drinking avataar.
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Naava,

I am glad you liked this post. Here are the translations you wanted, ad seriatim:

"Tumhara ek faisla, Purvi, jis se ya hamara ek naya rishta jud sakta hai, ya phir hamare beech ka wo rishta, jiska koyi wajood nahin tha, uska ant ho sakta hai. Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho. Faisla kar lo."

From this single decision of yours, Purvi, either there can be a new relationship between us, or the (old) relationship, that had no identity, can be put an end to. And perhaps today you will (then) be seeing me for the last time. Make your decision.

"Aur shayad tum aaj mujhe aakhri baar dekh rahi ho"
And perhaps today you will (then) be seeing me for the last time.

" Aap kehte hain na, ki main aapki zindagi hoon?"

You say that I am your life?


"To, Sir, main aapki zindagi aapse kaise cheen sakti hoon?"
Then, Sir, how can I snatch your life away from you (deprive you of your life)?

"Main chahta hoon ki tumhe tumhari khushiyan mile, chahe wo mere saath ho ya phir mere bagair"
I want you to have all the happiness (that is due to you), whether it is with me or without me.

Hope this is useful for you, How do you watch the serial, with closed captions?

Shyamala


😆 i wish ! i read Tanya's and Bhalla's updates and then watch on desi-tashan or apni etc.(Daily Motion). I don't have a television but i think i first started watching it a looong time ago on a TV that did have captions in english... i have never found a way to do that on the internet...so far all the actual "live" television i get on my computer don't have any captions. but by that time i was hooked. 😍

It's all for the best of course, since i never would have met so many wonderful friends on the forum. All things work for good. hhh i wish Ekta knew that. 😲

thanks oodles for the translation. 🤗 There are prob. only a few of us who don't speak/read hindi. 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wow Shyamala, you write so well 👍🏼 ...
Have been going through your posts in various threads and I must say , it is a pleasure to read them ...
This one again is a lovely post ...
you are right , Purvi's acting was good .She hardly had anything to say and the camera was focussed on her all the time , just had to convey it all from her eyes ...
That is one very good thing about this show .The standard of acting is very good ...there are few excepetions but generally the actors do their job well.
One thing for sure , Arjun is very good with negotiating 😆, probably this was the toughest negotiation he ever had to do in his life , poor kid had no idea ho to go on about it initially , thanks to his supportive parents t he did take the bull by the horns and is now pretty much in control of things ...😆
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Dear Naava,

You are very welcome, any time. I also note that one sentence got left out in the translation. Here it is.

Tum bhi mujhse pyar karti ho na?",
You love me too, don't you?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: naava


😆 i wish ! i read Tanya's and Bhalla's updates and then watch on desi-tashan or apni etc.(Daily Motion). I don't have a television but i think i first started watching it a looong time ago on a TV that did have captions in english... i have never found a way to do that on the internet...so far all the actual "live" television i get on my computer don't have any captions. but by that time i was hooked. 😍

It's all for the best of course, since i never would have met so many wonderful friends on the forum. All things work for good. hhh i wish Ekta knew that. 😲

thanks oodles for the translation. 🤗 There are prob. only a few of us who don't speak/read hindi. 😊

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