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Posted: 14 years ago
#31
^^ Just love the Post above.. Please CVs read and do something.. my dislike for Archana is going to turn into hate and disgust soon.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#32
excelsa , i kinda agree with what you are saying ..
i dont get that mom vibe from archana at all ..
Then again , she has hardly got any "proper" mom scenes with soham ..
(And ya .. priya has this natural chemistry with soham )..
agar scenes hi theek nahi hai , toh chemistry kaha se aayegi ...
And reg . archu sachu scenes .. ya .. I get more of an elder sister vibe than mom ..
Looking Ankita's off screen segments with the kids so far .. ( I am talking about right from the beginning .. be it , punni , ruchi , previous sachu , and soham ..) .. you can see that she is very comfortable with kids .. but somehow thats not being translated on screen that well with sachu ..
But I know she can do a much better job ...(and I am not saying that just bcuz i am an Ankita fan...)
Edited by lunza - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#33

arre kools yeh kya , you want archu to work ? But why ?

Manav gets so much pleasure in .. uh .. keeping his sasural happy .. why do you want to snatch away this happiness from him ?..
He doesnt mind .. he doesnt give a damn that his sasural owes him four lakhs ..
So why should I care about him being fleeced ...
He hands out money to everyone like freebies ..
When he was poor - he completely sucked at handling his finances ..
Now that he is rich .. well .. I think he still sucks..
Edited by lunza - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#34
KD🤗
Fab post di 👏
It feels great to see your honest posts 😊

Let me calculate :
3 LACS - Varsha's wedding
1 lac- for the house
Vaishu's expenses during her stay, etc,etc

Well i wont count the money spent on gifts, but in all Manav has spent 5 lacs for his sasuraal😕

Still when time comes these selfish V sisters choose others over him🤢
They insult him, call him TUM , uurrgghh😡

I blame Manav too for giving money,but blame his sasuraal more for even taking money from him🤢

I dont mind him spending money in taking care of Archu's parents as it is his duty as a son in law😊
But definitely his saali's wedding was not his duty, saving their manhoos house was not his duty, even keeping Vaishu was not his duty🤢

He can surely take care of Archu's parents because it is a daughter's duty too , to look after her own parents😊 In this case as Archu is a housewife Manav should bear the expenses😊

But what i want is Archu should not complain if he is busy, because that man has loads of responsibilities When Archu dont have any issues if he spends on sulo, then she should not have any if Manav works hard
Manav needs her support too

About Archu working , if she doesnt like then its fine😊 Many ladies love doing the house work so no problem😊

Di it feels very nice to read your posts again🤗
Please dont go anywhere this time


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sonjogl



pregnant women work in their early stages.Manav had an ego at that time he could not allow his wife to work when he didnt have a job.He didnt want his wife to earn 4da family while he was jobles becoz of his ego..Manav did everythng he did willingly no one forced him

Well as far as i remember, the way Archu spoke made Manav believe that she did not like to work but had to as he is facing financial problems😊
She said she loves doing housework, wait for him but if financial crisis are there she would work😊
Who would agree then😕 He did not scold her when she asked permission for work but went away later when she expressed her unhappiness in working😊
Regarding working in pregnancy, well Manav was so possessive about the baby that time...Plus was it the right time to start to work😕 out of all the time she chose her pregnancy to start her work😊
Yes pregnant women work in the early stages, but Archu's condition was critical so he did not agree😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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He can surely take care of Archu's parents because it is a daughter's duty too , to look after her own parents😊 In this case as Archu is a housewife Manav should bear the expenses

Yes it is a daughter's duty too even after marraige to take care of parents.

But some facts have to be considered as this is a very practical issue .

One has to first check if it is an ONLY daughter scenario .

If not , the responsibility has to be SHARED with the other siblings .

Also , in a Hindu society , if there is a SON , and he is doing all the duties , its better not to interfere and give him scope for resentment .

We did see Vinod mentioning THAT RESENTMENT .

Vinod has been bad NOW . For a large part , he was an extremely dutiful son . He did EVERYTHING for Sulochana...literally EVERYTHING . He and his wife ran the house . Sulochana partied with his salary advance when he got job after a long term of unemployment . Vinod had given Archana Gold Bangles when he had gone to drop her off at the chawl as a bride . Vinod was honestly a very good son .

He had NOT given a single penny to Rasika . He had however done everything for HIS family .

When such sons exist , its better for damads to stay away and not attempt to be the sons of the family as resentment may set in and their equation gets disturbed .

What was need for Archu to phone Manav when they were being thrown out of the house and for Manav to give one lakh . Vinod and Manju shud have been allowed to solve the matter .If they were thrown , they cud easily have gone to Manjus Bandra Flat . They wud not have come out on the roads .

Why is Satish's help REFUSED each time and only Manav 's help is taken . Satish too had come to offer his help after the house fiasco .

If a son is there and a bhabhi is involved , and if the son is willing to take responsibility , better to not get involved acc to Hindu norms .

If son is unwilling to take full responsibility , siblings shud have meeting and ALL shud chip in .

In a Hindu marraige , the DAUGHTER is given away in Kanyadaan . She goes to ANOTHER house to fill it with happiness .

There is yet no vidhi of PUTRA DAAN where mother of son gives her son away to the daughters family as a cow to be milked financially forever .

If something very ODD is being shown here in the name of MODERN THOUGHTS ...I would suggest to Ekta's CVS not to show it LOP SIDEDLY , but to show it ALL THE WAY .

Since Girls r still changing surnames and taking on surname of husband , since girls r still going thru Kanyadaan Vidhi and coming to live at Husbands place , since girls r sTILL opting to be housewives and live off the proceeds that a husband brings in ...I suggest they go further and do what the ancient norms said ...Make the husband's Life happy and become detached from Maayka ...get involved if NECESSARY and IN THE PROPER WAY .

If NOT ...if Girl Wants to take FULL responsibility of maayka like this , its not correct to burden husband financially ALL the time with never ending problems of her family .

Then the Girl should NOT change her surname , Should NOT come to live in Husbands family but opt to live seperate , Shud do a job and earn , Shud pool her income with husbands income and by living in a seperate house both shud come and go to their families and take on responsibility of BOTH families .

Isn't this Fair ?

Let us not confuse LOVE FOR MAAYKA with TAKING ADVANTAGE of a husband's love . It ain't FAIR .

Why shud a young man starting out on life be depleted financially by responsibilities of an ENTIRE NEW FAMILY if this is what marraige entails .

I woud hold workshops and advise young men NOT to get married then . Coz if this is the Life that awaits them , its HORRIBLY UNFAIR and BEST AVOIDED .

What is Archana exactly ? On one hand she pretends to be a pativrata of OLD zamana with those ancient norms . Then Whats This ? Is this what our ancestors told us to do ? Make ur Pati always financially weak ?

On other hand she goes in for divorce , gives away babies , Keeps on interfering in maayka problems ...Where does she fit in ?

She is shown to be a Marathi middle class GRUHINI .[ a housewife}

well In real life she would have been BLASTED by her mother in law and seniors of the household ...even other relatives by saying to her

Kai ga ? Tujha kanyadaan zala hota ka Amchya mulacha Putradaan ?Tyala bheekela lawnar ahes ka ? Tujya maherche problems sampnar tari kadhi ?

Meaning

What re ? Were u given to us in kanyadaan or was Manav given to ur family in Putra daan ? Are you gonna make him a beggar ? When the hell r ur maika problems gonna end ?

No one in this serial is left to give Archana and her money eating maika a CHECK anymore .







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Posted: 14 years ago
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I don't think love for wife is the only reason Manav allows himself to be fleeced beacuse you have to admit it the guy is not naive. he is very much aware that the K family generally treats him like a second class citizen and uses him in their time of need. I don't think he is oblivious.

Manav grew up the oldest child of a drunk father who also stole to support his addiction. His mother for all virtues (in keeping the family afloat with no spousal support and no education) was a crass loud mouthed woman. His parents, his background and his poverty were his reality and a source of embarassment to him (whether he has acknowldged this openly or not) his actions show this. He loves them but he is not happy with his life he is resigned to it. His working at a young age was in acceptance of thsi reality and in defiance of it a little bit I think. He worked to escape his reality - he wanted to use the money to buy himself a garage, get his brother educated so that he could do well corporately and get his sister educated so that she could find a better life( presumably after marriage). He was the anomaly and he realized this I think. He was soft-spoken when they (his parents) were not, honourable and fair when they played tricks, had ambitions for improving himself the right way when they did not. All his associations (people who he has chosen to be friends or related to) are people who were above his reality (the Ks, Girish, Tarun etc). I don't think he was doing it in a brown nosing sort of way (as that is mainpulative and his is not) I think he was naturally drawn to these people. he relates to them more naturally.

Does he love Archana immensely? Yes. He supports her when she is meddling and acting like Florence Nightingale and Dick Tracy all roled into one. But there are other stuff he does for the Ks which I do not believe he does because of Archana only.

His has always wanted to keep good relations with the Ks (whether he was pursuing Archana or not). When Sulo slapped him the first time at the mandap he did not retaliate. If all he wanted was Archana then he would have defied the family and taken Archu home by force. He did not. Same case when she left home because of the photographs and the Ks were not allowing him to meet her. He respected their wishes and tried to contact her without bothering the Ks. When he elpoed he first came for the Ks blessing. he went home only because he lived there and it was something he had to deal with if he needed to live there. He behaves this way because he has always wanted the Ks to accept him into their fold. he is willing to do anything to get their acceptance. he has taken their slaps, their taunts, their financial obligations, has protected all three girls as a son not a SIL. Which SIL keeps FDs for his SILs just like his siblings? I think that this is not something most of us would encounter. He has always sought Sulo and Mano's approval more than his own parents. He has always displayed greater grief at the Ks family's displeasure with him than his own parents displeasure with him. He was unable to break relations with them even after the divorce but broke relations with his own mother in the blink of an eye.

He keeps saying I want to make Archu's sapne poore but I have never heard Archu express any materialistic sapne except more pee loon. They have money now but they live in a chawl at her behest presumably. At the saree shop she said she loved the saree but did not ask him to buy it for her. Archu has no grandoise sapne to my knowledge but her mother did for her and he knew this. Maybe he is subconciously doing Sulo's sapne poore for Archu. A financially stable home, living in affluent circles and being a trophy wife.

He knows he is treated different than Satish and Dharmu inspite all his efforts and good deeds yet he accepts it because somewhere he shares their belief that he is inferior than the other two SILs because of his background. He loves his family but is never offended when they are not invited to K family functions. Isn't that wierd. I don't think it is related to Archan. More to beign accepted as Manav by the Ks rather than being seen as Damo and Savita's son by the Ks.

Everytime he has VOLUNTEERED the money and done the chores at weddigns and family functions etc. He allows his own victimization in this regard.

Whether they should have accepted the money in all those instances whent hey hada living and able son of their own is a differernt matter. The fact is that he is being fleeced and more importantly he is allowing himself to be fleeced. he needs to be with the Ks more than the Ks need to be associated with him is my thinking
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Posted: 14 years ago
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^^^ Well , if thats the case .. I dont really understand manav's itch to always please the K's .. and be associated with them .. and be "good" in their eyes ...
I mean , what are they , really ? It isnt like they are stinking rich or famous or anything ..
They are maybe better off than the D's financially .. thats it ..
Otherwise , they too have struggled with money ... having to raise four kids .. and mano's pension not giving them much .. Vinod being a TC ..
Why this constsnt desire from manav's side to always be a "hero" in their eyes ?
Edited by lunza - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Everytime he has VOLUNTEERED the money and done the chores at weddigns and family functions etc. He allows his own victimization in this regard.

While I agree that Manav too WANTS to be fleeced and Manav too VOLUNTEERS , I still would not say that Archana has NO role in influencing him in this matter .

She DOES take her maika problems to Him . He gets to hear of them throuh HER only . She does weep on his chest . She DOES look up at him with tear stained faces and most important of all She DOES tell him that she KNOWS he will set everything alright . KUCK KEEJIYE NA MANAV is her constant whine .

Yes , I totally agree that Manav wants acceptance in the K fold due to his inferiority complex . He is willing to even buy his way through with it by splurging money and it has worked out very well for Archana.

But Archana's influence in this , her unfair lapping it up of it all cannot be absolved either . She claims to 'LOVE" Manav beyond measure but I do NOT see her protecting his interests . She depletes his bank balance and she gives away his baby without his approval .

If she spots his inferiority complex and if she REALLY loves him , she shud tell him NOT to spend so much for her maaika and keep him away by saying NO NEED . THEY WILL MANAGE .

We do NOT see it .

We see her involving him in their problems ...she ENSURES he gets involved .

Manav come over , they r being thrown out of the house . Oh Manav now WHAT WILL HAPPEN . Do something na . { this when she KNOWS he does not have a rupee in his account}

Manav We will NOt take Vaishu to Aais place but OUR place .My Aai will get asthma attack if she knowd Dharmu is bigamist .{ Aai was FINE when Dharmus sachai was revealed and Aai is FINe now roaming on Dombivli Roads }

Manav I Will take care of Shravani . You go and help MY FAMILY during Varshas wedding . { WHY ??? They were gonna be DIVORCED and Shravanis responsibility was Manavs WORD to Girish .He did NOT wanna go to her maayka then ...Archana Coaxed and Coaxed him .}

So U see Hope , I see Her EGGING HIM ON all the time .

Bottom Line is this is for HER .

In the SAPNE POORE thing true , he was a fire breathing Dragon who wanted to prove something to her . Archana had zero sapne of any materialistic nature , all her sapnes only involve ROMANCING , bas . Albeit pregnant and starved in a stufy mosquito biting Kholi , lying in Manavs Arms with stars in her eyes are Archanas sapne . Even her children r not part of her dreams .

But where her maayka is concerned although I accept ur reasoning that indeed Manav has this complex where he wants to be accepted badly in the K fold , I find the same complex in Archana too ...She WANTS her husband As the BEST DAMAD who hogs the glory on a subtle level . That complex is in her too . Each time she tells her sisters ...MANAV SAB SAMBHAAL LENGE .

And it doesnt help , is my point .








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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: lunza

^^^ Well , if thats the case .. I dont really understand manav's itch to always please the K's .. and be associated with them .. and be "good" in their eyes ...

I mean , what are they , really ? It isnt like they are stinking rich or famous or anything ..
They are maybe better off than the D's financially .. thats it ..
Otherwise , they too have struggled with money ... having to raise four kids .. and mano's pension not giving them much .. Vinod being a TC ..
Why this constsnt desire from manav's side to always be a "hero" in their eyes ?



manohar is respectable, a sincere person, a hard worker - someone that he can look up to as a father figure as opposed to his own father

sulo is homely, respectable, keeps a clean and stable house (before CVs went nuts on all the manufactured excuses) - someone he would love to have as a maternal figure as opposed to his own mother who is quiet the opposite.

Manav is not materialistic. he gives away more than he makes😆

he seeks culture, stability and balance and the Ks give off this appearance better than the Ds - that is the attraction I think. The respectability.

No matter what we think about the Ks or their sanskaars - to understand why Manav associates with them I try to look at how he perceives them in comparison to his own family

As to the "hero desire" - he cannot bring the respectability, wealth, education and affluent circle to the K table (where it is very visibly sought by Sulo) that the other two damaads can. He can only make up for his background and lack of the above by being their most reliable damaad. I remember a question (don't remeber who said it) why do the other two damaads not help. Because the minute he hears about their issues he DIVES in. Why should Satish or Dharmesh help when Manav has volunteered already and seems to be handling things?

Kools,

There were times Archana did not say anything yet he he went out of his way to show that finances were not his shortcoming even though he was just a mechanic

a) the FDs for saali. no one asked him to do it
b) the loan for Varsha's wedding
c) the money he gave Archu in the bank when manohar's account was short of funds
d) the gold chain he bought so that Sulo would not have to
e) the money he paid for the mortgage

Sorry i am sure there are many more instances I just don't remember all the details.

yes she does drag him in but there are many times where she has learnt that he has dragged himself in after the fact.

she enables people who do wrong or foolish things
he enables people who wish to abuse his generosity or as you put it fleece him

they are both enablers which is why they are made for each other


Edited by --Hope-- - 14 years ago

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