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Posted: 14 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: sur_aur_taal

I disagree with most ppl here. sure sulochana made mistakes and had double standards. but all humans make mistakes and most have double standards at least in one scenario in their lives. if you disagree with the previous statement then that is the double standard. however, her mistakes do not warrant being treated like a maid in her own house, then removed of ownership of her house, and finally kicked out to have no where to go. no one should have to go through that regardless of how bad the person was in the past. judgement of a person's actions and character should be left to those who are sinless, thus left to God.


Of course no one should go through this . But we don't live in Utopia . Such things happen all around us , so why expect that Karanjkars will be immune to the evil present around them ?

And when such things happen , one must see WHY they happened .

Who keeps a bahu in the house who destroyed her daughter's marraige ?

Who keeps a bahu in the house who swindles by exchanging gold sets ?

Who keeps a bahu in the house who collaborates with a brother to send the daughter of the house to a BROTHEL and enjoys her character assasination ?

Who keeps a bahu in the house who tells office people My mother in law is my servant and I enjoy tricking her ?

Who keeps a bahu in her house who sends daughter's innocent sasural to JAIL to be beaten up ?

These warnings were not enough to tell the bahu to stay seperately forever ? THIS was the bahu this Sulo CONSTANTLY wanted just coz she did not want to cut the apron strings of her son .

How many warnings did she want ? Who was HELL BENT on BLIND ACCEPTANCE of Manju , whatever evil nonsense she pulled ?

So now why be SHOCKED when she showed her colors ?

To expect IDEAL situations in life is NAIVETE and to expect them from EVIL DOERS inspite of hazaar warnings is FOOLISHNESS .

And one always has a price to pay for foolishness . ALWAYS .
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Posted: 14 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


Of course no one should go through this . But we don't live in Utopia . Such things happen all around us , so why expect that Karanjkars will be immune to the evil present around them ?

And when such things happen , one must see WHY they happened .

Who keeps a bahu in the house who destroyed her daughter's marraige ?

Who keeps a bahu in the house who swindles by exchanging gold sets ?

Who keeps a bahu in the house who collaborates with a brother to send the daughter of the house to a BROTHEL and enjoys her character assasination ?

Who keeps a bahu in the house who tells office people My mother in law is my servant and I enjoy tricking her ?

Who keeps a bahu in her house who sends daughter's innocent sasural to JAIL to be beaten up ?

These warnings were not enough to tell the bahu to stay seperately forever ? THIS was the bahu this Sulo CONSTANTLY wanted just coz she did not want to cut the apron strings of her son .

How many warnings did she want ? Who was HELL BENT on BLIND ACCEPTANCE of Manju , whatever evil nonsense she pulled ?

So now why be SHOCKED when she showed her colors ?

To expect IDEAL situations in life is NAIVETE and to expect them from EVIL DOERS inspite of hazaar warnings is FOOLISHNESS .

And one always has a price to pay for foolishness . ALWAYS .


The main point I was trying to get in my previous post was that man should not give punishment to man. It is not his/her place to do so. And what a person deserves and does not deserve cannot be judged by man (unless under the court of law).

I don't agree with the way she handled her bahu, however, I do understand the need to keep her family together under all circumstances. It is one of those traditions that is quickly fading in the Indian culture so most people find it a foolish way of thinking. However, it worked for so many years so there must be some wisdom in keeping the family together. I believe this is how Sulochana was brought up with and that was more important. Like I said, I don't agree with the way she handled things. Such traditions should not be followed blindly and should be adapted to the circumstances (this is what Sulochana missed).

I also believe that she was not shocked with Manju's behavior as she has been letting Manju off scott free every time she did something bad. That being said, it was a shock to see her own son, her flesh-and-blood turn against her. That is what where Vinod was wrong. He saw his mother as the reason for his failures and then turned against her. She did not prevent him from becoming successful. When he asked for the house papers, she did take his side and asked Manohar for the papers. It was because the house was already up for guarantee that Manohar couldn't give the house deed to his son not because Vinod was not trusted.

Lets just say, she has been kicked out of the house for all the wrong reasons. If she had been kicked out because of the long list you provided then yea maybe I'd be on a different side but in these circumstances Sulochana was wronged by none other than her son.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Man should not judge or punish mankind than Sulo had no right or reason to judge another woman and call her names either. how was that allowed or accepted by many?
Criminal is a criminal when they comitt crime or someone who helps one comitt crime or they do blind eye to a crime. I think helping with a crime or doing a blind eye to one is a bigger crime. We are discussing a character here. She protected evil in her house. How can this be ignored?
Last but not least Sulo character had no business talking to another mother Savita the way she did..
Edited by Dabulls23 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#54
hey kools in 1 of ur posts i read that u have read all religious books & all ... u said that u have read all karma things ... & that it is not necessary that the same person pays u back whom u had offended ... u can get paid from other person also
so my biggest doubt iS
lets assume that A has done wrong with B ... now according to u it is not necessary that B shud make A suffer ... A can even get suffered by C ... right
so now that person C is just god's angel in a way to make A pay for his deeds ... or just because C has done something wrong with A , even C can get punished by somebody else
i am so confused ... but all i hope is that i havent made it complicated ... hope u able to understand what i am trying 2 say
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lets just say, she has been kicked out of the house for all the wrong reasons. If she had been kicked out because of the long list you provided then yea maybe I'd be on a different side but in these circumstances Sulochana was wronged by none other than her son.
There is no right or wrong reason for getting kicked out of the house dear . The reason is only one ...she harboured EVIL in the form of her bahu . She gave shelter and sanctuary to EVIL .

Trust me , I come from the generation where I KNOW the traditional types you are talking about and I would not dream of dismissing those old dears as foolish people at all . My own mother was one among them .

But looking the other way when your bahu puts an ENTIRE FAMILY IN JAIL for a crime thy didn't do and gets them beaten up ...No way can such a thing be overlooked even by women of THAT ERA . My mother would have told my bhabhi to leave the house ...and she was one of those traditional saints .

The reason Sulo did not kick Manju out that time was PURE SELFISHNESS . So long as SHE got her grandkids and HER son's sansaar was intact and HER family was not in jail and living , she cared a damn for Sachin's death and the horrific beating of the Deshmukhs .

The Warning bells of HOW DANGEROUS HER BAHU WAS did not ring coz She DID NOT WANT TO HEAR THEM .

Being traditional has nothing to do with tolerating EVIL .

And since u urself pointed out that tradition has wisdom ...I do not see any wisdom in ignoring the signs of uncontrollable evil in a traditonal lady like Sulo .






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Posted: 14 years ago
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I SERIOULSY DISAGREE WITH THIS...AND I CANT BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY MANJU IS RIGHT AND SULOCHANA IS WRONG IT JUS GOES TO WHO'S GUD AND WHO' BAD
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

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Man should not judge or punish mankind than Sulo had no right or reason to judge another woman and call her names either. how was that allowed or accepted by many?
Criminal is a criminal when they comitt crime or someone who helps one comitt crime or they do blind eye to a crime. I think helping with a crime or doing a blind eye to one is a bigger crime. We are discussing a character here. She protected evil in her house. How can this be ignored?
Last but not least Sulo character had no business talking to another mother Savita the way she did..


Like I said, I don't agree with many things Sulochana did in the past. I am not talking about how she treated Savita or how many accepted the judgement she passed on her son-in-laws.

I am talking about the right to punish her for her deeds. If Person A does something bad, Person B does not have the right to do evil against Person A. Similarly, Vinod did not have the right to treat his mother is such a way. Parents are supposed to be treated well as given the commandment by God.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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whereas sulochana is full of double standards ... she made manav work like a servant during varsha's wedding ... & wen the happiest moment came in manav's life then she humiliated him in front of whole society

her himmat had increased day by day ... on 1st occassion she slapped manav only once & in the closed 4 walls of his house

but on 2nd occassion she slapped him twice & that too in front of whole society

b4 the first occassion manav hadnt done anything great for their family ... so she didnt know what a gem he was ... fine !!

but b4 2nd occassion manav had done so much for their family ... saved varsha from ashwin ... did so much in varsha's wedding ... provided them with money ... yet she slapped him twice forgetting all what was done by him ... she saw to it that poor manav doesnt get any happiness in his life by slapping him , by abusing him , & by letting her other children abuse him

so now y shudnt her butt be kicked out of the house by manjsuha

& honestly spaeaking watever manav did for karanjkars was lakh times more than watever archu did for deshmukhs

Edited by prasad1991 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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If Person A does something bad, Person B does not have the right to do evil against Person A. Similarly, Vinod did not have the right to treat his mother is such a way. Parents are supposed to be treated well as given the commandment by God.

This may come as a shocker to u , but thats EXACTLY how the Law of Karma operates .

The one whom u wronged does NOT necessarily retaliate . You get your dues from ELSEWHERE too at times .

What it ensures is that you experience the same pain you gave others .

Evil enablers do not go scot free .

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Lets just say, she has been kicked out of the house for all the wrong reasons. If she had been kicked out because of the long list you provided then yea maybe I'd be on a different side but in these circumstances Sulochana was wronged by none other than her son.
There is no right or wrong reason for getting kicked out of the house dear . The reason is only one ...she harboured EVIL in the form of her bahu . She gave shelter and sanctuary to EVIL .

Trust me , I come from the generation where I KNOW the traditional types you are talking about and I would not dream of dismissing those old dears as foolish people at all . My own mother was one among them .

But looking the other way when your bahu puts an ENTIRE FAMILY IN JAIL for a crime thy didn't do and gets them beaten up ...No way can such a thing be overlooked even by women of THAT ERA . My mother would have told my bhabhi to leave the house ...and she was one of those traditional saints .

The reason Sulo did not kick Manju out that time was PURE SELFISHNESS . So long as SHE got her grandkids and HER son's sansaar was intact and HER family was not in jail and living , she cared a damn for Sachin's death and the horrific beating of the Deshmukhs .

The Warning bells of HOW DANGEROUS HER BAHU WAS did not ring coz She DID NOT WANT TO HEAR THEM .

Being traditional has nothing to do with tolerating EVIL .

And since u urself pointed out that tradition has wisdom ...I do not see any wisdom in ignoring the signs of uncontrollable evil in a traditonal lady like Sulo .


In my family one of my relatives was outcast. I know that sometimes these extreme measures must be taken. Sulochana did not take this measures.

You are right, she wanted to keep her family and son's family together. Is that wrong? No.

She believed that by giving Manju an opportunity to change, she will. Is that wrong? No.

Sulochana did give way to many of those opportunities to Manju. She harbored evil in her house. Is that wrong? Yes.

There is a right reason and a wrong reason to kick someone out of the house. If you do it for the right reasons, there is hope that the person will understand those reasons and repent. There is no such hope for Sulochana here. The way she has been kicked out will only harbor negative feelings towards her son and DIL.

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